I was just wondering if anyone has used this kit before from Sylvania? Before you post it, i did a search and people have talked about it, but i did not see anyone with one! Right now i am undecided about the headlights. On my car i have the Sylvania Super Blue bulbs and they are bright. but you know human nature, i want brighter! lol I would like to have HID lights, and right now instead of a headlight conversion, these seem like a bolt in affair, for like $600 i guess! If anyone has this set up, any problems with it? Thanks-Bryan

 

I dont think the kit comes with the headlamps. Most people dont buy them because they dont consider it worth the money. I thin HID's are well worth the money just because you can see so much better at night. I will be installing the Sylvania kit into the projector headlamps that come with the Evo II. If you want good headlamps to house that Sylvania kit for your stock-bodied Camaro I sudgest you look into Hella. They make good quality diamond cut GLASS headlamps. You can put the Sylvania kit in the H4 headlamps you have now but if the headlamp is cheap (this is the case with most H4 kits) then it wont look as good as the glass ones.

 

Thanks Crazy, i figured you would be one of the first to post! You gave a pretty damn good explanation on this HID lighting in another post weeks ago. Well, i found a price on the Sylvania set up and they want $499 shipped to my door. Not too bad considering what it comes with. It comes with the 2 low beams, 2 H1 holagen high beams, 2 electric ballasts, 2 wiring harnesses so the power can get to the new lights, and 2 mounts and all nec. hardware. It sounds like a complete swap! I just need to know how well they work. It shows some decent photos on the web site but that could be done by computer. They sell spare parts but you have to show a proof of purchase to get them. It does not say if they are glass but the ones i have now are, so i am assuming they are. I'll have to call them up and see what they guarantee! If i do not like them maybe i could send them back. My friends set up is real sweet! It is so much better to drive around. Where i live there are tons of deer and they really help while in his car now. They look bad *** too. Looks like a Luxury car pulling up. If he had the same kit i wouldn't even bother posting but he got this one off of ebay and it is on his Subaru. Any more info would help a lot. Maybe if someone has this kit! Thanks again-Bryan

 

I think you'll like the HID kits. The difference is night and day (literally haha). Since you probably wont have much luck finding people on this messageboard with the kit, I sudgest you do a search on one of the major search engines (like google.com). Search for something like Sylvania HID review or Sylvania HID experiences. The Sylvania kit is basically a retro-fit so people use them in alot of different cars from Japanese to European to Domestic. I found one site once where this guy did an awesome review of different HID kits. He was using them in his Honda Accord. Good luck!!

 

Thanks a lot, if i find something i'll bring this back! It is a little pricey but if they last as long as they are supossed to, and they are as nice as i am thinking, they would be worth it. My freind's are worth it! Later

 

The Sylvania Xenarc Sealed Beam HID Upgrade Kit uses a REAL discharge-type HID bulb for the low beam and an H1 single filament 65watt high beam -both fitted into their own plastic 2A1 & 1A1 lamp housings that are exact replacements for your existing factory sealed beams. Information regarding these kits can be found at:

http://www.sylvania.com/xenarc/x46565006.htm

I've tested these HID lamps and found them to be 'OK' in terms of performance. They're not great when compared against factory-installed HID systems (like those found on Lexus, BMW, Mercedes, etc...), but anyone currently driving with sealed beams will be more than satisfied with this upgrade. regarding their cost, it's anyones guess whether they're worth the money or not. I suppose that really depends on the size of your wallet.

For someone without the financial resources to buy a kit like the XenArc replacement kit, a more suitable way to upgrade their third-gen lighting performance may be to replace their current factory sealed beams with a set of the HELLA Vision replaceable bulb headlamps as seen on the following pages:

http://www.classicgarage.com/classicgarage/he-72146b.html
http://www.classicgarage.com/classicgarage/he-72116b.html

A complete high performance halogen lighting system can be built using these HELLA lamps. These lamps -combined with HELLA HB2 Xenon-filled halogen bulbs, makes this an exceptional system over the factory-installed seled beams.

 

Sweet. Those are the high quality headlamp enclosures I was talking about. Thanks Kruss!! Get those headlamps instead of the cheapo stuff on ebay. Its the real deal.

 

Thanks again guys! I was wondering that about the "factory" look. Rarely do you ever get something that is identical to a factory setup! For the price, $500, i will wait till the weather gets nicer. If i get them at all. It seems like an easy upgrade but the cost is way up there! So, have you seen them in person KRUSS? Any pics of cars with them? Thanks again for updating this-Bryan

 

ok i am very stupid when it comes to lighting - everybody bare with me please.

one of my moms good friends has a 2002 BMW X5 (the SUV). extremely sweet ride, but what i really like about it is the headlights. the "white" light - not blue, yellow or purple, just true "white" light. i understand about 1 or 2 things yall guys are talking about. the question is what is the cheapest/best way to have headlights (even if it is just the low beams - i hardly ever use the high beams) just like that 2002 BMW X5?

please remember im pretty stupid in the lighting category

thanks
brady

 

If it is an HID, High Intensity Discharge, system, you will need completely different lights. That is a kit i am talking about. Those cars with those lights come with different lamps/bulbs that have ballasts conected to them giving off that intese light that you see. That was pretty technical, huh!? lol I can not explain it for the life of me but the bulbs, i believe, are gas charged and that is how they get that bright of a light. Crazy posted a pretty good reply in a previous thread about it. If you did a search i am sure you could find it. You could also go to the links above for the "correct" info.

 

ok so lets say i buy a pair of these and/or these and i buy the four gas charged blubs that give off the super bright white light. then i beef up my wiring harness(how do you do this i know there is a tech article). then i am all set right?

 

Sorry but my computer is a little fudged up right now. I need addresses to go to b/c it does not work when i click on them! Some times addresses do not work either. I do not know what you are posting, sorry.

 

those two address were this and this

http://www.classicgarage.com/classic...he-72116b.html

http://www.classicgarage.com/classic...he-72146b.html


the same as above

 

Yes, I've seen them. I own a set (sent to me by Sylvania for evaluation). I've had them on my car a couple of times but still prefer the HELLA Vision replaceable bulb headlamps (sorry, I don't have any pictures).

The X5 uses a HELLA XENON HID projector lamp for the low beam and a halogen HB3 (9005 - 65watt) high beam. It's "WHITE" vs. "BLUISH" because of the type of chemical mixture HELLA uses in their HID bulbs vs. those of other HID bulb manufacturers. The "cheapest/best" way to get a true XENON HID low beam for your car is to buy the Sylvania XenArc system. You can get just the low beams for about $300.00 to $400.00. That's pricey, but you'll never have to worry about low beam lighting performance again. Additionally, true XENON HID bulbs should last about 2,000 hours (which equals about 10 years of daily-commute driving).


That's right! True XENON HID (discharge) bulbs have no coiled tungsten filament like incandescent and halogen bulbs. True discharge bulbs have two electrodes inside a glass capsule (one in line with the other, and with a space of about a tenth of an inch between them) which creates the "gap" that the electrical arc jumps when the system is initially "ignited". The term "discharge" comes from the event that occcurs right at the instant the system is turned on when the ballast (voltage-regulated power supply) "discharges" a 25,000volt jolt of electricity needed to 'jump' the gap between the two electrodes (inside the HID bulb). Once the electricty has jumped the gap, it heats up the gases and chemicals inside the glass capsule that serve to stabilize the electrical "arc" which remains "on" as long as the system has input power. For all intents and purposes, true HID systems use what amounts to a welding arc to create light.


Just a point of clarification: The HELLA Vision replaceable bulb headlamp system (also known as an "E-Code" system) identified by the above link is designed for HALOGEN bulbs only (true XENON HID discharge bulbs are not made for this lamp because its optics are designed for halogen -an important point when attempting to understand HID lighting systems). Now, you can get pretty good 'high-performance' halogen bulbs for the HELLA Vision system which will dramatically improve your lighting performance (largely because of the optical pattern on the lamp -not because of the bulbs). But they'll never be quite as good as a true HID system. Remember, lighting performance is more about the quality of the optical pattern of the lamp housing than the brightness of the bulb. I have a set of the HELLA Vision headlamps with regular 55watt/65watt halogen bulbs (OSRAM) on my '92 Z28 and they're fantastic! For me personally, I don't feel that HID is the right thing for my car (even though I own a set of the Sylvania XenArc HID lamps).

Regarding the Sylvania XenArc HID system, it uses a true XENON HID discharge bulb for the low beam and a regular European-style halogen H1 for the high beam (Camaro setup). The system is a complete drop-in replacement for the factory sealed beams and comes with a wiring harness that adapts the new Sylvania system to the old sealed-beam connectors on the car. No special wiring upgrades are required.

For anyone interested, I'm presently working on a lighting upgrade for my '92 Z28 that will use the composite headlamps from a 1987-90 Chevy Caprice to replace the sealed beam-type lamps I presently have on the car. These lamps are fantastic and were originally designed (as a subtle face lift for the Caprice in 1987) to replace the 2A1/1A1 rectangular sealed beams used on that car in '86 and older model years. Incidentally, the 2A1/1A1 rectangular sealed beams from the Caprice are the same as those used on third-gen Camaros. Although there are other rectangular composite headlamps that would work other than the Caprice lamps (which are becoming harder and harder to find), the Caprice lamps perform the best overall (especially the 1987-88 model year lamps).

 

KRUSS, thanks for the technical info, that was pretty damn good! So you have had them and i am guessing they are not worth the $500 for the complete kit. Like you said and from what i have gotten from the web site, they are true HIDs and they are direct replacements! They even come with better wiring harnesses needed to get the job done, true? One last question, do they at all resemble the cars of today, like high class imports for example, or are they just brighter? The kit my friend has is pretty impressive and looks good too. It is an HID kit for the Subaru Imprezas. Just wondering if i should go with something different if i decide on doing this conversion. Also, the lights you are swapping are the one-piece head lamps right? I was thinking of doing this with newer Silverado headlamps and possibly doing it with the projector style. A member has done this and he actually posted it not too long ago. It looked pretty good to me. Well, good luck your project-Bryan Brodyscamaro, i am sure KRUSS could answer your questions a lot better than i ever could! It looks like he already has too. good luck

 

Bryan:

Thanks for the nice words!

The Sylvania Xenarc HID system is a damn good system and I believe it's worth the money. I just feel that the HELLA Vision system is more flexible for my type of driving since I can interchange different bulbs to suit different driving conditions. With the HID system, you're stuck with the same system all the time.

Regarding the one piece headlamp, yes, the Carpice HL is a single rectangular lamp that has both the high beam and low beam together in a lamp that will fit in the same space as the 2A1/1A1 factory sealed beams. This particular lamp uses HB3 (9005) & HB4 (9006) bulbs which are still today some of the best bulbs made for two bulb systems (this lamp was once of the first to use these bulbs which were introduced by Sylvania in late 1986).

Regarding the Chevy Silverado composite (one-piece) HL, the 1989-1999 lamp is also a good choice for this type of HL swap. It's a little smaller than the sealed beams that it would replace, but still uses the HB3 & HB4 bulbs. Unlike the Caprice HL though, the Silverado HL as a plastic lamp housing (Nylon) and the plastic lens (high-impact polycarbonate) which generally today makes for a pretty good lamp -just not back when this lamp was originally designed (mid '80's). Additionally, the optical pattern of this lamp is rather poor (blotchy, patchy, inconsistent, etc...), meaning that you'll probably tire of it not long after you've installed it. For me in particular, I would use this HL only if I were unable to find a better one (and there are better ones to be had), here's a short list:

1988-91 Cadillac Seville
1991-93 Cadillac Deville
1988-89 Chevrolet Monte Carlo
1988-89 Chevrolet Celebrity

All these composite lamps are roughly the same size overall. Also, each is a 2-bulb lamp which is a fairly easy swap into a third-gen Camaro. My personal favorite is still the Caprice HL from '87 and '88 because of the superb optical beam pattern of the lamp (the '89 and '90 lamps were changed by GM for cost-cutting reasons and the beam pattern was modified to accompdate the change). If you're still interested in the Silverado lamps, I'd definately try it with the aftermarket lamp (the one with the low beam projector lamp). Although I've never tested this lamp, they've got to be better than the factory [lens-optic] lamp.

Good luck!

 

...by the way, here's a couple of links to some photos of my Sylvania XenArc HID conversion kit:

Sylvania XenArc HID Conversion Kit - Page 1
Sylvania XenArc HID Conversion Kit - Page 2
Sylvania XenArc HID Conversion Kit - Page 3
Sylvania XenArc HID Conversion Kit - Page 4

 

Thanks for the added info! So if i were to go with the HID kit, you were talking about the weather conditions, correct? Like say heavy snow, or pooring rain. It does not perform well in those conditions? I am a little confused. If it makes a difference, i baby the sh it out of my car! My friends think i am crazy but sometimes i will not take it out at night b/c of the bugs on the front end or if it rains, i never take it out. It is not my daily driver so it is ok to do this. I know the bulbs i have in it right now are pretty bright but once i drove in my friends car with the HIDs, i was hooked. Also when he came up my street they looked pretty impressive. I guess where you live you get some pretty heavy weather, huh? Thanks again-Bryan

 

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I checked out the site and it was alright. It did not have too much info on the kit for thirdgen camaros. Although the kit for the 4th gens was $550 and $750 for the "stage 2". The sylvania kits are direct replacements and are $499. I can not criticize too much b/c i did not see all of the info! I might check into it more, thanks-Bryan

 

Sorry for the confusion. Perhaps I should have been more clear.

What I meant about “varying driving conditions” was not weather conditions, but road conditions such as highway vs. city, flat roads vs. hilly country, etc... Regarding the effectiveness of HID in inclement weather, HID is actually MORE desirable in inclement weather than is normal halogen because of the type of light (color temperature) HID produces. Because true HID discharge lighting produces light which is closer in color temperature to real sunlight, it provides better overall visibility under varying weather conditions than just about any other type of lighting. As-such, it makes driving in snow and rain considerably easier on the driver’s eyes. This (as you might suspect) is one of the biggest selling points of factory-installed HID systems.

The principle problem we consumers have in the aftermarket is the basic difference in how factory vs. aftermarket systems are engineered. First of all, most aftermarket "HID" systems marketed today are simply halogen bulbs (with coiled tungsten filaments) that have had XENON gas added to them to make the filament burn at a hotter temperature. The net result of this is a more intense light which does somewhat improve overall visibility. However, remember that more light does not make-up for a poor optical pattern (which is how the light is distributed onto the road). If you have a cheap or poorly designed lamp housing, you’ll not be happy with the overall performance of your system –regardless of how bright the bulb is. This is the principle problem with many of the so-called "Diamond Cut" headlamps sold today. They look cool, but perform dismally –regardless of the type of bulb you put in it.

Another HUGE problem we consumers have in the aftermarket is the misinformation out there regarding the performance of true aftermarket discharge HID systems. Most are marketed as a bulb and ballast system that is a simple replacement for a halogen bulb. The simple truth is that HID and halogen optics are different –thus making HID and halogen bulbs NON-INTERCHANGEABLE without also changing the optical pattern of the subject lamp as-well (which is all but impossible since most optics are molded into the lens or housing of a lamp when it's originally manufactured). Anyone who tells you that a true discharge HID bulb (called a "burner") and ballast system can replace a halogen bulb in a lamp originally designed for a halogen bulb is more likely after your money than helping you improve your lighting performance. The Sylvania XenArc line of HID systems are the first to offer true aftermarket discharge HID systems complete with lamp housings whose optics were designed specifically for an HID burner. That’s why I recommend them.

Also, remember: the color of the light emitted from a discharge HID system when viewed from the front is incidental. Each bulb (burner) manufacturer uses different amounts of chemicals and gases in their bulbs that effect their color when viewed from the front of the vehicle. Conversely, almost all true discharge HID systems look the same from the drivers seat -regardless of whether it's a 4500 degree system or a 6000 degree system. Remember, the human eye is not able to detect the slight differences in color temperature at these hightened levels -these are just marketing ploys.

BTW: I too, baby the hell out of may car and try not to drive it except when it's nice out.

 

Thanks a lot man! Thanks for all of the helpful info. It helped a lot with my decision. I would eventually like to get a set so it looks like Sylvania is the way to go. I have yet to see another system that is just as good. They have em for 4th gens, but not too many for thirdgens! Well, if you ever want to get rid of yours, let me know. I will most likely do this over the winter since i will not be driving the car much now until spring! Well, thanks a lot KRUSS, later-Bryan

 

What I still don't get is why these setups are so costly... I mean damn, its just a refined strobe light bulb, which have been around for ages..... nothing special, a xenon filled glass tube with electrodes, and an electronic control unit... hm i've seen these before, their called a laser powersupply! 25kv start and 1kv continuous for operation... doesn't seem that complicated... Kruss, maybe you can shed some more light on this (no pun intended )

 

This is a very astute observation which is essentially true: True discharge XENON HID is a fairly simple technology. The high cost of these systems is attributable to the following things:

1. The technology of discharge lighting has been around for a long time and has been used in commercial applications (like buildings and warehouses) for over 25 years. Sodium vapor and mercury vapor lamps (which are widely used in warehouses due to their likeness to actual sunlight) are two of the most common types of HID lighting. The most notable application of commercial discharge HID technology is in stadium lighting where huge arrays of HID lamps are used to light the playing field. However, despite the similarities in the basic working technology of architectural and automotive high intensity discharge lighting systems, the application of these systems is sufficiently different enough to require completely different electronic mechanisms. Of-course, the architectural type of HID are stationary, in-general don’t have size or weight limitations on it’s power supply (ballast), and don’t have to meet strict legal requirements like those governing the transportation lighting industry. Also, architectural HID systems are large and consume significant amounts of electricity to operate. This, of-course, would not be a suitable technology for the transportation lighting industry as-is and therefore would not be applicable to the transportation industry in it’s existing form. As-such, alternative technologies needed to be developed to adapt architectural-type HID technologies to the automotive industry:

In the auto industry, size, weight, and durability are the principle factors governing new technologies. In the case of discharge HID, the transition from an architectural product to a vehicular product required a fairly substantial investment in research and development monies needed to design a system to meet the strict size, weight, and durability requirements of the industry. In essence, HID technology had to be re-invented for use on automobiles. In order to do this, the principle architectural HID technology leader at the time (GTE-Sylvania; now Osram-Sylvania) spent significant development monies attempting to adapt this technology to automobiles. Since this had never been done before, the development cycle was long and expensive and took several iterations to get right. This, combined with the fact that automotive HID volumes were initially so low (the 1996 Lincoln Mark VIII was the first vehicle in North America to offer an HID headlamp option –which sold only 2,000 vehicles that year with the HID lamp option), that the pay back of the R&D investment monies would take a great deal of time before the price of the system could be reduced enough to make the system more affordable to anything other than the most expensive vehicle platforms (simple amortization: total development amount / no. of vehicles sold = payback of development investment).

Today, with a now-broader deployment of HID on all sorts of vehicle platforms around the world, the cost of factory-offered HID headlamp systems has come down a great deal (albeit, rather slowly). However, a factory-installed HID lighting system still costs around $300.00-$400.00 per vehicle (OEM price), which they summarily mark-up on the window sticker to around $1,000-$1,500 (retail customer price). Despite all this, HID prices still keep this technology off of vehicles readily affordable to the majority of average retail consumers.

2. Another reason HID technology remains so expensive is that the retail cost of [aftermarket] HID lighting systems is set by the market (meaning that the lack of real aftermarket competition keeps the prices high). (However, in actuality, the Sylvania XenArc system is the best and most affordable COMPLETE system available in the aftermarket.) Since almost all other pseudo-"complete" HID systems offered in the aftermarket fail to include the most important element of any automotive lighting system (the optics), their expense is that much more unreasonable because –dollar for dollar, you’re buying only HALF of the whole HID system (so much for "complete").

3. Finally (and perhaps most importantly), HID lighting system manufacturers exploit the public’s lack of general knowledge regarding HID lighting technology -which means that they initially overcharge for a new technology until either competition picks up, -or- the public stops buying because they develop a better understanding of the technology vs. its true cost -thereby causing the prices to come down. (Incidentally, @ roughly $400-$500 for the complete system, the Sylvania XenArc HID system is pretty competitively priced vs. OEM systems -despite the lack of REAL competition on the aftermarket.)

 

Do you know the specs. of a typical power supply (or shall I say ballast?). Also where could I find just the xenon bulbs themselves?

 

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Well, if you mean the electronic specifications of the ballast, I haven't the faintest idea (although I did find some information on a Panasonic system which seems to be an aftermarket ballast only). Most major-brand HID manufacturers have their own proprietary electronics that they promote as the reason why their ballast outperforms that of their competitors. However, by-and-large, all major brand ballasts (including Bosch, Koito/Denso, Matsu****a, Osram, Philips/Hella, Stanley, and Valeo) perform more-or-less the same, and most ‘tune’ their ballasts to work well with one of the two main producers of HID discharge bulbs (Philips, Osram). As a result, each bulb and ballast “system” produces its own unique “color”.

I do know that 12.8vDC HID ballasts are electronically unique (and are used exclusively in the automotive industry) and are unlike almost all other ballasts used in just about every other HID-type application. As far as the bulbs are concerned, both Philips and Osram bulbs can be found at some auto parts stores, but you may have to look around a bit. Expect to pay around $100.00 per bulb for either of these two bulbs.


Panasonic Automotive HID System
Electronic inverter (ballast) and igniter system for 35W Xenon lamp applications with Instant-on Hot Restrike feature for D2R or D2S Xenon lamps.

Features:
Wattage regulation over wide range of input voltage: 9 to 16VDC
Quick starting in both cold and hot restrike conditions
Lamp output “run-up”: Cold start: 60% output in (4) seconds; Hot restrike: 50% output in (1) second
Safety Shutdown Feature: Shuts-off within (1) second if no start or if output is shorted
Humidity resistance; fully potted
Solid state igniter
Manufactured in Japan

Specifications:
Bulb type: 35watt D2R or D2S
Nominal Input Voltage: 14.0VDC (12V battery)
Input Voltage Range: 9.0 to 16.0 VDC
Input Power: <46W (steady state)
Input Current: 6A @ 9V (steady state); <4A @ 14V
Input Current: <20 A (starting)
Output power: 35± 2W
Lamp Frequency: 250 Hz Square Wave
Ignition Pulse Voltage: 22KV (nominal)
Safety Shutdown:
No start: Yes (<1 sec.)
Low Input Voltage: Yes (<6 VDC)
Minimum Start Temperature: –30°C / 22°F
Maximum Case Temperature: +85°C / 185°F
Maximum distance from power supply to inverter: 2.5m (8 feet)
Maximum lead resistance: 50 milliohms (including wire and terminals)
REQUIREMENTS: External fuse/breaker 20 A

 

That explains why new Maximas have a bright intese WHITE light and the new Lexus' have more of a Purplish/Blue Light. Also, Mark 8's i believe have a deep Blue color to the lights. Same idea with the HID lights, different colors! Nice info KRUSS. Since i do not know any better, i believe you, lol! Later

 

Interesting thing about both the '96 & '97 Mark VIII headlamps, both utilized Sylvania's first generation of DC HID ballasts and igniters. These systems produced a distinct violet-colored light and triggered a number of calls to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA - the federal agency that oversees lighting regulations in the US) with complaints about the "blue" light. During that time, I heard stories of many Mark VIII owners being pulled-over by police and cited for "illegal headlamps" (the violet-colored light produced by Sylvania's 1st generation HID system was often mistaken as "blue" -a color reserved exclusively for law enforcement and emergency vehicle lighting). It took the law enforcement community at-large some time to 'catch-up' with the latest lighting laws of that time.

Sylvania later abandoned the DC ballast configuration for the now-industry-standard AC configuration. The reason is that DC systems send current in only one direction, which, over time, wear-down the lead electrode (inside the bulb) as a result of the high voltages traveling through the system during ignition (ultimately degrading light output). AC systems alternate the direction of the current in the system –thus preventing either of the two electrodes in the bulb from uneven wear. The AC configuration also changes the wavelength of the light –thus giving it a more “white” color vs. the violet of blue light most commonly associated with earlier US HID systems. Now, light color is more a subset of how each individual ballast reacts with its bulb and optics (ballast power wavelength, bulb chemistry, optical system, etc…). If you want to build a system with a violet-blue light, use a Philips ballast (same as Hella ballast), a Philips bulb, and a projector lamp from either a BMW HL or an Audi HL.

 

bright white = Stage 1

bright blue/purple = Stage 2

 

I hate people who drive by me at night with those blinding headlights. I almost ran off the road one night because I couldn't see anything but some idiot's headlights. I would never get those things, it's rude to other drivers. You dont own the road. Get them if you want to but please dont drive by me!

 

can i just buy xenon headlight bulbs and replace them with the stock ones and they well look like the luxury cars ones??
thanks
bub

 

No, not even close. Why? Read EVERYTHING ABOVE...

 

I only had one instance where the lights blinded me, but then the *** turned off his high beams within 20ft of us! I have never had that problem with HIDs blinding me. The lights usually look bright from far away and kinda smooth out while coming closer to them. In the car is is totally different! Looks real good. Hey Bub, i don't think they have those lights out! If that were the case then i would just buy those instead of a $500 kit. They have bulbs where the light is "blue/white", but not the same affect as true HIDs.

 

Sylvania came out with some new sealed beam lights. They are in a white box, name has Star in it I think. Looks like HID, says so on the box. They are $26.99 at Advance Auto.
My friend installed a pair and they seem really good compared to regular halogens.
I have the Sylvania Cool Blue lights in my car, pretty bright white light output and the new ones are brighter and whiter.

 

Yeah, i have those Silvania H4656SB bulbs and they work pretty damn good. They are called Super Blue. I picked them up from Wal-Mart for like $25. Way better than the reg. ones. Very little need for high beams with these bulbs. Just interested in the HIDs to be "different", and more broke! They are a good upgrade, if i ever get to afford them.

 

you didnt beef up the stock wiring harness

 

r u suppose to if u get those bulbs?

 

Fake HIDs are cheap taiwaneese bulbs with a blue filiment over the lens to create the "Stage 2 Blue" effect. This actually filters out the light and has less light out put

true xenon emits the blue light from the gas burning, not some plastic colored tape.

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The only time it's necessary to beef up the headlamp wiring harness is under the following circumstances:

1) If the replacement sealed-beams you put in your car have a higher bulb wattage than the original factory lamps.

2) If you replace your factory sealed-beam lamps with replaceable-bulb lamps (such as those from HELLA) that allow you to use bulbs with higher wattages than the factory sealed-beams.

In either one of these cases, the factory harness probably won't withstand the higher power consumption of some non-factory lamps/bulbs. As a result, a custom harness with heavier gage wire (and relays) MAY be required in order to prevent a possible harness meltdown. Remember, I said "MAY be neccesary", because current draw for electrical components is different from car to car. Therefore, some harnesses will fail where others won't. As-such, the safest route to take is to replace the factory harness with a more robust one if you've replaced your factory lamps with higher output ones.

IF you've installed true DISCHARGE HID bulbs -which are now available in a variety of configurations (and I don't mean the fake blue 'knock-off bulbs'), then your factory harness is probably OK since true DISCHARGE HID's only draw 35watts of current -well below that of factory halogen lamps.

 

They're called SilverStar -but they're for factory original composite lamps (designed with replaceable bulbs). However, an equally good alternative is the Sylvania XTRAVISION sealed-beam lamp. They represent the best alternative for improved lighting performance for a third generation f-car without all of the hassles of upgrading your car's harness if you were to go to higher output aftermarket lamps.

Here's a link:

http://www.osramsylvania.com/auto/xtra.htm

Another good product is the Sylvania Halogen Plus

Here's the link:

http://www.osramsylvania.com/auto/llmlamp.htm

Both products are direct-replacements for your factory original sealed-beams and require NO modifications to the car in any way.

 

ok. i go down to autozone and pick up two of these bulbs for my car and stick them in there will i need to upgrade my wiring?

 

NO! Read my prior post again. You need either the XTRAVision or the HalogenPLUS lamps. The link you referenced in your post is for the SilverStar halogen replacement bulbs. They won't work in a third-gen car.

Here are the links again:

http://www.osramsylvania.com/auto/xtra.htm

http://www.osramsylvania.com/auto/llmlamp.htm

 

They work in a Firebird I was looking at them yesterday and they come in sealed beam versions.

 

Is it possible that you were looking at a fourth-generation car (on the Firebird, it received replaceable bulb headlamps in 1997)? The reason I ask is because SilverStar bulbs come only in the following configurations:

9004 - dual filament, transverse orientation
9005 - single filament, axial orientation
9006 - single filament, axial orientation
9007 - dual filament, axial orientation

All of these bulbs are for replaceable bulb headlamps (which third-gen cars don't have).

 

Just a side note, the Sylvania HID kit comes with new harnesses. Hey, ya gotta get something for $500, right!

 

Nope, the car that has them on it now is this one,

That is my friend Julians 82 T/A. He got the new SilverStars a week and a half ago.
I'll see if he still has the box, if he does, I'll take a pic of it, otherwise I'll just take a pic of the headlamp.

 

Here are the bulbs for our cars,
This the link to the site
High & low beam headlamp
Part number = H6054


Upgrade Part Number = H6054ST
"Silverstar High Performance Halogen Upgrade - Whitest, Brightest, 100% Street Legal"

Upgrade Part Number = H6054CB
Cool Blue Halogen Upgrade - White Hot; Super Cool; 100% Street Legal

Upgrade Part Number = H6054XV
XtraVision Halogen Upgrade - Three times brighter & twice the life of standard

Upgrade Part Number = X6054
Xenarc High Intensity Discharge Upgrade Kit

Upgrade Part Number = H6054LL
Long Life Halogen Upgrade - Lasts 6x longer

I'll be getting the SilverStars as soon as my car is ready for the road.

 

i found some bulbs for my car on that site. maybe this link will work, click here. you plan to buy the $27 set though. so then you have to upgrade your wiring harness, or not? i am absolutely no lighting knowledge, at all.

 

Thanks guys. I stand corrected! Now I've got to get me a set to add to my collection!