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Old Aug 14, 2003 | 12:08 AM
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1680hp twin turbo thirdgen :-0

owner= www.innovativeturbo.com

motor= sbc (forgot to ask him how big)
turbos= twin T76s
cylinder heads= 14* pro-action

1680hp on the engine dyno

was at the www.dragradialwars.com event in ohio this past weekend. They debuted the car there and actually went to the finals against Paul Effentis (sp?) supra.

the supra won but the best pass was 8.7X @ 167mph! on 315/60/15 BFG drag radials (equivalent to about a 29.5x10.5W)

Still stock-type suspension as well.

Rick said they didn't even use all that 1680hp, they were using their electronic boost controller to ramp in the boost to keep from blowing the tires away and they couldn't get the boost up fast enough to use them all.

Figured i'd let you drool

---for anyone who cares the supra has a Y2k turbonectics headunit and i believe a 200 shot of spray. His best ever on 325/50/15 BFGs is 8.36@166. At this event he was going 8.40s-8.60s same mph.

**Lastly for anyone who follows drag radial racing you will know the name Dwayne Guthridge (aka Big Daddy). He put on the event and had extreme traction problems but still went 171mph on BFGs!!!:hail: :hail:

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Old Aug 14, 2003 | 12:10 AM
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Old Aug 14, 2003 | 12:11 AM
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Old Aug 14, 2003 | 12:34 AM
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That's bad ***. Excuse me while I drool, lol.
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Old Aug 14, 2003 | 04:44 AM
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Interesting company, not sure of why viewing thier site items have huge security protocol blocking and turning away possible customers, would love to see more on this car.

Oh well...
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Old Aug 14, 2003 | 06:29 AM
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Old Aug 14, 2003 | 07:00 AM
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About ****in time someone built a serious effort thirdgen turbo car on stock suspension!! :rockon:

Thats awesome!
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Old Aug 14, 2003 | 12:29 PM
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Old Aug 14, 2003 | 12:40 PM
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Veeery NICE... please say you took more pic's then that one..

anybody notice one headlight missing. What good is that with the headlight covers anyways??
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Old Aug 14, 2003 | 12:55 PM
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i wasn't at the race....i couldn't make it

these are pics from someone that went on another board. That is only pic

BTW...the supra was spraying a 100 shot and it was only for 2000rpm of first gear to spool the turbo. Didn't use it down the track
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Old Aug 14, 2003 | 01:41 PM
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Re: 1680hp twin turbo thirdgen :-0


**Lastly for anyone who follows drag radial racing you will know the name Dwayne Guthridge (aka Big Daddy). He put on the event and had extreme traction problems but still went 171mph on BFGs!!!:hail: :hail:
He owned Outrageous Mustangs here in NJ (think its closed now). Saw him crash a 8 second turbo stang at E-town a few years back... rolled into the sand pit.

1680hp in a 3200lb car is good for 189mph, btw.
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Old Aug 14, 2003 | 06:59 PM
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Re: Re: 1680hp twin turbo thirdgen :-0

Originally posted by paul_huryk

1680hp in a 3200lb car is good for 189mph, btw.
Well like i said they weren't using all the power they made on the dyno
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Old Aug 14, 2003 | 08:22 PM
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That is Awesome!!!!

does anybody know if this car was a big secret while they were building it?
because I talked to rick about a month ago about twin tubocharging my car and he didn't say a word about this car!

however he did have a very strong opinion about what parts I should use and seemed like he really knew what he was talking about. I guess this explains why.
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Old Aug 15, 2003 | 01:03 AM
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Rick knows his ****...he was head RD @ turbonetics until he started his own company

And ya, the car was a hush hush until its debut
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Old Aug 16, 2003 | 11:27 AM
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Damn, getting whooped by a 6 cylinder. Oh well, I'd imagine once he figures out how to get all 1680 hp hooked up he should spank that Supra.
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Old Aug 16, 2003 | 11:58 AM
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in all honestly it is really who dials in their suspension the best versus who has the most power....

there are a lot of drag radial cars that have tried a lot of different combos and lots of times is those who have their suspension figured out the best who win. And it makes sense too because it is a traction limited class
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Old Aug 16, 2003 | 01:33 PM
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watching 11 second cars spank 9 second ones at the street races is pretty norm also, or watching that same 11 second car get smoked by a 12 second AWD import or SyTy is too.
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Old Aug 18, 2003 | 12:07 AM
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If you guys want, I'll see if I can get pics of Ricks camaro. With his permission. I'm sure he won't mind. I just don't have a scanner to put them online.
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Old Aug 18, 2003 | 07:10 AM
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There are plenty of us who would be willing to upload them to the web if you dont mind sending them to us. Myself included.

Keep us posted.
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Old Aug 18, 2003 | 11:34 AM
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BTTT that car is sick .
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we wanna see!!!!!!!! (hmm sounds like me on penny night at the titty bar)
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Old Aug 18, 2003 | 08:02 PM
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See if you can find out how many cubic inches the engine is too.
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thats great! and it's only just getting started.. once he gets those DRs figured out... look out!
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I e-mailed him and told him that we were interested in his Camaro and seeing some pictures of it too if he didn't mind.

What really interests me is the piping going through the firewall. I have not seen pics of a thirdgen done like this so far. My guess is an air to water intercooler maybe??
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I e-mailed him and told him that we were interested in his Camaro and seeing some pictures of it too if he didn't mind.

What really interests me is the piping going through the firewall. I have not seen pics of a thirdgen done like this so far. My guess is an air to water intercooler maybe??
I would imagine the intercooler is in the passenger seat
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Old Aug 24, 2003 | 04:07 PM
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more pics!!!!:hail:
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Pics are in

Hey he responded to my email and sent two more pics. He seems like a really great guy!

Here's his response with some more car info...

Thanks for the "props". I went to the thread and was very pleased to see all the interest in my car. It was the first new car my wife and I bought together when we got married in 1989. She drove it off the show room floor! When it finally wore out after some 12 years of faithful service, I bought her a turbo Audi. The Camaro was now all mine! After following my good friend Big daddy Dwayne Gutridge in NMRA and Fun Ford Drag Radial, and knowing he was going to start promoting his own Drag Radial races, I decided to build the car for Outlaw style Drag Radial racing. We went to the final of the first Drag Radial Wars after taking out Big D in the semi's! We are still just sorting the car out. I only lost to the Supra by .020 seconds! I treed him, drug him to the 330' and we were looking at each other crossing the finish line! It was great.

My company Innovative Turbo Systems has expanded. We know have a complete fabrication shop. We planned out the system to easy to work on, functional, and aesthetically appealing. We wanted to show off the kind of work we do. The engine is a 427 small block using an Olds Rocket Block, 14 degree Pro Action heads, a pair of GT-76 duel ball bearing turbos and makes more power than the car can use. But some one who I have a ton of respect for, Job Spetter once told me "kid, there is no such thing as too much power". Any way I have attached a few more pics, feel free to post them if you want. There is no big secret, I will share all the info with any one, this is what we do for any one who is interested. Thanks again!

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And another....


Awesome!! Check out the exits too!
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Old Aug 24, 2003 | 11:34 PM
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Well at least he sent you pics of the car before the wind got ripped off at the Radial wars. It didn't look as goodin the pics I took. Hopefully I will have them back this weekend so I can send them to Guido to put on here. I didn't take too many pics, so if you guys want to see something particular, just let me know. I can always go back and take more, especially since I'm at the shop every week. Let me know.
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Hey,
what is meant by "using an Olds Rocket Block"

Heads and so on don't interchange. what was done here?

Thanks
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Old Nov 3, 2003 | 12:49 AM
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the olds rocket block is basically a small block chevy block but has thicker cylinder walls for boring out to big cubes. Cheaper than buying a Dart little M.
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Old Nov 3, 2003 | 12:53 AM
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so its not an olds block at all?

I'm confused lol
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Old Nov 3, 2003 | 12:59 AM
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no its a chevy block of sorts, the way olds DRCE is a sort of BB chev head, and there are the "pontiac" heads for sbc too. it also used a revised cam location for stroke clearance and I think it uses a different cam core altogether as well. gee has it really been that many years since car craft did the article about the introduction of the rocket block I feel old...
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Old Nov 3, 2003 | 01:17 AM
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so its just a mostly confusing name...

On that car above, why are there so many of what appear to be the "vacuum" lines. Do that many things need a signal that they have to be everywhere?
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Old Nov 3, 2003 | 01:24 AM
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its amazing the number of things you cant afford to "not" get a signal of boost. They may have run into a problem and/or decided that is was too unkempt and made a mass of very nice lines to replace the spaghetti that is common to the type of car...
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Old Nov 3, 2003 | 11:06 AM
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most of the lines are just oil inlet lines for the turbos and boost signal lines for the gates.
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Old Nov 19, 2003 | 10:31 PM
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Looks like some missing trim to me... but maybe they just want us to think it's some missing trim...
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Old Nov 19, 2003 | 11:16 PM
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They just cut a hole there for the old exhaust system to exit.
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Old Nov 20, 2003 | 05:16 PM
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It's fun looking at cars that are so far beyond my level of experience that there's no point in trying to figure them out.

I can honestly say that in all the weird places I've had an exhaust exit a car, in front of the driver's front tire is not one of them. I wonder if it pushes the car to the right as it goes down track? Seriously- 1600HP moves a LOT of air. I wonder if it pushes the car sideways.
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Old Nov 20, 2003 | 05:27 PM
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The sideways push will be counteracted with an exhaust on the other side of the car
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The main feature of the rocket blocks are that the cam is located lower in the block to allow more deck height, plus the thicker cylinders allow for some massive CI out of a small block..
468ci :hail:

the down part is that chevy bellhousings wont fit, so you would have to find a old trans to put behind it... not exactly common.
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Um, no on either of those.

They are available with cams relocated upwards to give more clearance for stroker cranks and full size cam lobes
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Old Nov 20, 2003 | 11:18 PM
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Originally posted by Jer82Z28
The main feature of the rocket blocks are that the cam is located lower in the block to allow more deck height, plus the thicker cylinders allow for some massive CI out of a small block..
468ci :hail:

the down part is that chevy bellhousings wont fit, so you would have to find a old trans to put behind it... not exactly common.
None of the above, has raised cam, chevy trans bolt circle, max cid tall deck version 455. here is a link to the specs.
http://www.sallee-chevrolet.com/Chev...are_Block.html

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Old Nov 21, 2003 | 04:58 AM
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They just cut a hole there for the old exhaust system to exit.
yea, that's been done before, but if you blow it up and raise the gamma you see that there is nothing there but a hole:
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Old Nov 21, 2003 | 12:31 PM
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Yah, there is nothing there thats because the exhausts exits behind the front tire now. Thats why I said it was where the "old" exhaust exited.
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Old Nov 21, 2003 | 06:37 PM
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you can see better pics of the car on the other post in this forum " Pics of Innovative Turbo Camaro".
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Old Nov 23, 2003 | 10:01 PM
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Old Nov 24, 2003 | 10:46 AM
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Hey that car was in chevy high performance. It was a couple of issues ago when they were talking about power adders. This one was on the first page of the turbo section(imagine that). They didn't tell anything more about the car, but the picture was there.
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