I am looking for a new converter. I want something with a mild stall to it. Does anyone make a converter similar to the vigilante, but a little more affordable? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks,


Jason

 

go to a trans shop and get a corvette converter, shouldt cost more than 120$$ or so, and it stalls around 2000rpm

 

Check these out..they are Torco converters...supplied by Art Carr

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=1830832989

 

Has anyone tried this converter and do this guy make good quality torque converter. I would be interested if this is a good converter and would stand up to its rated capacity. Thats a nic price in my budget.

 

To tell ya the truth, I ordered one then chickened out, canceled my order. When I called to place the order there seemed to be an awful lot of confusion....although they did credit my credit card right away as they said they would....check out this guy..www.lnjstreetrods.com. He was very helpful, I'm sure he can hook ya up resonably $$$$

As for the TORCO name...they make Great Racing synthetics..

 

one other thing if you decide to go with the Torco...call them and order....dont bid on ebay...he will give it to you for $325.00. I liked the warranty Idea.

 

Call Dana at www.pro-built.net and talk to him about the A.C.T converters he sales. I have a 9.5 inch 2800 A.C.T and it is a damn fine converter. When I got my pro-built tranny I was dead set on getting a vigalante converter,after talking with Dana he swayed me to give the A.C.T a try and I'm not a bit sorry I did.

 

He was trying to keep the $$$$$down a little....If you have alot of $$$$ go with the Art Carr converter. billet steel front...3yr race warrenty...bullit proof and ONLY 700-800 bucks...My wife almost S**T!!!
I always refer these guys to Probuilt....but his stuff is kinda spendy...

 

I dont have a whole lot of money so im willing to spend about $400.00 for a good torque converter. That Ebay, Torco looks like its in my neighborhood as for as price go's. Im willing to get that one, if it can live up to its rated potential.
I we get enough people we can do a group buy and get the price knock down.

 

Too late for me...mine should be here weds. But let me know how it works for ya...I hope I'm not kicking myself...

Hey dont be upset if it doesnt stall afull 3000 with that low torque 283...but you should come close..

 

Ok guys, one other thing. Please check out my mods in my sig, and tell me what a good stall speed would be.

 

Just a Guess....2000-2200 tops (Corvette Stall would work great for you)

 

Riley, do you know where I can get one of those Vette converters?

Thanks to everyone for all the good info.

Jason

 

should be able to go to any trans shop and pick one up, although, it will be remanufactured and not new.

 

Here is where I ordered mine. The guys name is Larry, He has been really helpful and really seems to know his stuff. He is building a 27 spline unit for me, wich he says should stall around 28-3000. He said with the lower torque of my 327, I may not get the full 3000, but should be very close.
He has the vette converter here, seems like a good price, and he has had very good results with them. Here is his website....http://www.lnjstreetrods.com/products/v8_converter/


Here is one other guy you can talk to..He builds 9.5 units custom. They dont retain LU. But he includes the kit to convert your tranny, for a price around 360..here is a letter he sent me...........

Hi Ron.

OK, if we are to get one built for you I will need engine specs to determine
actual engine torque as close as possible. You see, there is a formula to
use with these 9.5” kits so that true stall can be achieved as close to what
you need as we can get. Sort of eliminates the trial and error guessing game.
Every converter has a “K” factor to compute true stall.

It’s a handy little formula to have around:

True Stall = Square Root of engine Torque X “K” factor

What we will do to get close as we can is plug your engine specs into DeskTop
Dyno to get a torque curve so we can see what stall may be the best for performance
and to get the torque figure to compute what “K” factor will be needed.

Actually the little kit is not that complicated at all. Removing the check ball in the
end of the input shaft and putting some valve changes into the front pump. The front
pump will be taken out to do the valve tricks but that’s not that big of a deal. The
directions in the kit are very complete and easy to follow.

Let me know if you would like me to custom build one of these for you or if I can
be of any further assistance.

Jim Strand .... Jim & Patty Strand, strand@icehouse.net

I hope this helps I know it can be tough deciding , but both these guys were very helpful....

 

Correct me if im wrong: The best type of converter the lockup, however I will need to get the lockup kit for overdrive. I there a kit available to make it lockup and unlock once you have decrease your speed. If so please give me a part #

 

if the tranny is stock it should already have LU...The best is to keep LU on a streetmachine....you should only have to make mods if you go with a non-locking unit..

 

Since I change the Carb and Distributor, this will be a non computer control setup. How will this effect whether I need the lockup kit or not. I have a Transgo Reprogram Kit, Transgo Shift Kit and Vette Servo, and Im in the market for a good but reasonable price converter (around $400.00). The reason why im asking is beacuse this one one ebay i have been watching seem to fit my plan. I just want to know what Modification I will have to make to have a good torque converter and a trans that will perform.

 

Check this out at summit PN#BMM-80217.B&M lock up kit...should work. Or you can post a new topic on how to wire the LU on your own..I cant tell you how but a few guys can..it sounds real easy

 

I only use the best, and in my opinion PRO-TORQUE is one of the better companies out there...They make a full line of off the shelf and stock converters as well as a whole line of custom built racing converters...They can build one to your specs and they stand behind their product www.protorque.com

 

to make it lock up, just jump the 2 top outer most terminals of the aldl thingy.

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those 2, I disconnected the wires in the back and ran them to a toggle switch.

 

He is non-computer , No ECM, Thus I reccomended the B&M kit.

 

I just got one of those Torco converters for $325. I would recommend against it. It is a 12inch converter base with a 9.5 top on it. I am in the process of trying to send it back. Here is a picture of it.

http://82lt1.cz28.com/images/converter1.JPG

Has anyone else bought one of these converters?

Todd

 

I orderd that converter, then I canceled the order about 30min later...there just seemed to be too much confusion when I called to place the order...they had me talking to a secretary who really didnt even know what a converter was...I'm sorry for you..on the bright side , they did credit my credit card right away. Hope it works out for you as well.
I hate Frauds...
If I were you I would post something on the tranny board warning others about this guy.. He uses the Art Carr name in his e-mail address, I wonder if Art Carr is aware of him.....What a dick!!

 

Well I guess the Art carr name is lagit..here is how the credit appeared on my checking....

05/23/2002 CR ADJ ART CARR PERFORMANCE P ABILENE TX 366.82

another case of "buyer beware"

 

I think it is legit, but it just makes a person wonder what is going on. I think it will all work out, but we'll see what happens. I'll keep you informed on my dealings with them also.
Todd

 

Well they canged there picture...from this

 

to this

 

I guess Ill pay the extra money and get PROBUILT
A.C.T. 9.5 for $565.

 

They are supposed to be sending me a different converter. We'll see if I get it. I should get it today. If I have to buy a different converter, I think I'll go with Protorque. They are really nice converters. Check out their website at: www.protorque.com. A friend of mine has a transmission shop and has used a few of these with no problems.

 

Art Carr Performance Products came through. They sent me a real 9.5 converter to make up for the other one that I had bought. I was just going to send the other one back, but they said they would send me another and even sent a call tag for the other one going back. I would say I'm definitely a satisfied customer. As long as it works anyway. I would probably do business with them again. The new one looks great and Ronnie assured me that it was just like a Vigilante. I don't know what their usual price on this converter is.
Todd

 

But still they tried to sell something by fraudulant means...and it worked, if you had seen the later picture, would you have sent them your cash...I would never deal with a company that opperates like this...why did they change the picture ? Did someone make an honest mistake...remember, they told you you were buying a 9.5 to begin with....they failed to mention it was a cut-up piece of S**T!!!
Glad you are satisfied, screw me once, shame on you, screw me twice, shame on me.

 

Riley's35089rs+ raises a good point. I was very upset when I got the first converter, because I think I was deceived. But, when they gave me a good converter for the same price, I was pretty happy. I need to remember that I was deceived in the first place. But, like I said before, they were the ones that suggested replacing the converter. I was content on sending it back and getting a protorque. I don't know what I would do if I were to buy another. You still have to remember that I don't have it in the car yet either. I hope it will work well.

 

From everything I read, and hearing from the people that have them, Art Carr Products are excellent. I'm sure someone just made a mistake. As I said there was alot of confusion in the office I talked to. But you just never know. Its tough enough to weed out the BS in this world of the internet, without trusted manufacturers throwing us a curve.....Good luck with your product. Did they give you a brand name,,,is it still Torco? I would be interested in how it works. keep us posted.

 

try www.ptcrace.com

They quoted me a 2800-3000 custom stall for 250 bucks
They can make you about anything you want.

my friend has on in hi 70 nova. He is pushing around 650 hp.

He has had good luck out of it, and he races hard about every week end.

I think I will go this route. They also offer service work on them.

 

I like TCI automotive....
The guys there really got their stuff straight.
Call 1-663-224-2335.... I think that's the number, pretty sure any way. It may be Mike Taylor he can tell you a pretty good converter.
Ask for Kevin Winstead. He's the engineer over the torque converter compartment. Sharp person, and has personal experience with tuneport setups. Tell them Shad Haynes had you to call. They're great people.
Vigilanette has got an overated setup to me. Kevin has dropped me 3 tenths with a new converted. And I already had a aftermarket converter.

Shad Haynes

 

Unless I missed something, nobody has actually used a Torco converter. A couple of you guys have ordered them, but for one reason or another, never put one in your car. I'm still curious as to how well they work. I mean come on, how can they warranty it for six months against a 650 hp nitrous machine if they didn't build it good? And they have an ISO9000 certification. I did a research paper on the ISO certifications for a Quality Control class I took, plus the company I worked for was ISO certified. They make you jump through hoops to get that, and then you get audited every 6 months to keep it. Pretty impressive. And, they have a less than 1% warranty return rate. How bad could they be? I'm really considering getting one.

 

Box
Go ahead buy one then post the results after one have put it through some abuse. I think we all would eager to see the final outcome. I would have got one but I decided to buy a Transmission and ACT 9.5 from Pro-built. Have yet to install it but the recommendation and feedback about Dana Tranny are Superior to all others.

 

i've seen negative stuff about pretty much everything on the market out there, especially tci and B&m, and to some extent, art carr, bowtie overdrives, and others....

my opinion is you can't go wrong with one of the QUALITY aftermarket converters with a smaller diameter. Precision Industries (vigilante) and yank should be on your short short list.

The S10/vette convertor isn't so bad, but due to it's size and weight and inherent drawbacks of being a 12" converter, it won't gain you as much as say a vigilante or yank with less diameter. but it will gain you some and it's better than stock.

As for me, I have an ACT 9.5" from dana at probuilt, and so far my best 60ft is a 1.98 out of my 91 L98 Z28, which isn't too shabby considering i'm on "all season touring" radial tires and stock rear suspension....so, the ACT works for me! I've got 20 passes on it now so far, no problems at all.

 

The torque converter that is shown in the picture that looks like a UFO,(Riley's35089rs+) is what we call a 9-11. It has been around for years with the Buick people, and it works fairly well in 2004R's. It has a much larger clutch apply area, and that is what some Gran National's want for WOT lockup. They are built by the Torque Converter Shop out in Arizona, Rusty specializes in these. As for Art Carr.....If you have had good results with him, consider yourself fortunate. Before going with a "name product", check out their history, I've seen to many people getting screwed because of this.