my car is here,BUT
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Car: 1991 Pontiac Firebird
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my car is here,BUT
my car finally made it here yesterday,but when they were either loading it on to the truck or taking it off they damaged it and this is the pics of the damage that was done.
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Car: 1988 Trans Am GTA Notchback
Engine: 305ci, 5.0L, TPI, HO
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Axle/Gears: 9-Bolt Positraction Rear w/3.45 Grs
We were PISSED when we picked it up! But the shipping company is paying for it, so now we get to move on to the long list of repairs. All in all, not bad for a $720.00 car.
P.S. MINE IS STILL BETTER!!!:lala:
P.S. MINE IS STILL BETTER!!!:lala:
Originally posted by GTA4ME
P.S. MINE IS STILL BETTER!!!:lala:
P.S. MINE IS STILL BETTER!!!:lala:
Well, mine is better than yours!
Lets not make this a "Who's is better" thread. J/KAmber, glad that your car is finally here. It is in better shape than you made it out to be. At least it runs.......................
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Car: 1988 Trans Am GTA Notchback
Engine: 305ci, 5.0L, TPI, HO
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True, mine wasn't even running when I got it in 2000.
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Oh that just hurts.. I don't even want to know what they did to cause damage like that.. I think I'd have been paying for their hospital bills rather than them paying for the damage.. ouch =\ (did I mention I get severely attached to my cars?)
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we are taking it to the best place there is to get it done and the most expensive place too.
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no they said that they can fix it,the company that shipped mine is called dasautoshippers,it is going to cost about a thousand dollars to fix.
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Does anyone have any recomendations for a good body shop??? We have to get several estimates and give 2 to the Shipping Company.
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dealerships, they to me are the most reliable body shops, and even though it cost a pretty penny since your not paying for it then it's not a problem
. Just make sure you check out the car after it's done.
. Just make sure you check out the car after it's done. Supreme Member
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Originally posted by 91FormulaBabe
no they said that they can fix it,the company that shipped mine is called dasautoshippers,it is going to cost about a thousand dollars to fix.
no they said that they can fix it,the company that shipped mine is called dasautoshippers,it is going to cost about a thousand dollars to fix.
MAN that sucks! Looks like they tried to drive it out of the garage and the door closed on it! Good thing they are covering the cost. If it was my car, knowing my luck they would have gotten out of it somehow...
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Yeah we took it to Chevy and tomorrow we are taking it to Pontiac. I still want some other estimates though. I want to make sure DAS pays out the a$$ for this BS!!!
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You know.. with the looks of it, the ONLY way to get a true paint match is going to have to be a complete paint job.
Get them for what you can. Have a favorite color? Start lookin'
Get them for what you can. Have a favorite color? Start lookin'
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From: Hill AFB, Utah
Car: 1988 Trans Am GTA Notchback
Engine: 305ci, 5.0L, TPI, HO
Transmission: Borg Warner T5 5-Speed
Axle/Gears: 9-Bolt Positraction Rear w/3.45 Grs
It gets worse! Upon closer inspection there is no dipstick! We found the hole, but it's on the driver's side. It looks like someone put an older small block in the car to replace the TBI, but he put the STOCK manifolds back on. I'm guessing I need to put headers on to give me better access to the hole. The previous owner did a bang up job on this car.
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Originally posted by GTA4ME
...All in all, not bad for a $720.00 car...
...All in all, not bad for a $720.00 car...
lol I thought I was getting a heck of a deal on a Bronco I bought a few years ago.....after purchace and closer inspection I figured out why...

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GTA, pop the air cleaner off and take a couple pics of the engine bay, valve covers, intake manifold, engine accessories, etc.. I'll give you a state of emissions review...
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Ok TechSmurf. I have to replace the valve cover gaskets tonight, so I'll try to get you the pics by tomorrow.
Last edited by GTA4ME; Nov 4, 2003 at 06:15 PM.
Originally posted by GTA4ME
Ok TechSmurf. I have to replace the valve seals tonight, so I'll try to get you the pics by tomorrow.
Ok TechSmurf. I have to replace the valve seals tonight, so I'll try to get you the pics by tomorrow.

Did you guys get another dipstick or what?
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From: Hill AFB, Utah
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Axle/Gears: 9-Bolt Positraction Rear w/3.45 Grs
We have the new gaskets. Are you free tonight???
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Engine: 305ci, 5.0L, TPI, HO
Transmission: Borg Warner T5 5-Speed
Axle/Gears: 9-Bolt Positraction Rear w/3.45 Grs
OK, we put in the new valve cover gaskets and found a hole in the valve cover! The valve cover gasket was the same size as an 83 firebird, not a 91 firebird. So it's definately not the original motor. Does anyone know how to figure out the engine size? I can't see anything on the block.
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On the very back of the block by the distributor on the drivers side "don't know if you'll even see it." There is some writing on a flat piece that will say either GM305 or GM350.
Other than that you could have gotten the casting no. off of the heads in between the springs and the rockers while replaceing the gaskets, running the heads casting no. on a head search engine would tell you what cc they were as well as year motor, either 58cc for a 305 or 64cc for a 350.
if it is a 91 and it has perimeter bolt valve covers that would be a give away that it is a pre-87 motor.
"head aches" ok enough info lol.
Other than that you could have gotten the casting no. off of the heads in between the springs and the rockers while replaceing the gaskets, running the heads casting no. on a head search engine would tell you what cc they were as well as year motor, either 58cc for a 305 or 64cc for a 350.
if it is a 91 and it has perimeter bolt valve covers that would be a give away that it is a pre-87 motor.
"head aches" ok enough info lol.
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we think it is an 83 motor, we just changed the valve cover gaskets last night and had to get an 83 valve cover gasket.
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Now the electrical system is on the fritz! The headlights, tailights, interior light, dash lights, and trunk motor stopped working. They flickered a bit then died again, any suggestions the engine bay is a wiring mess!
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Originally posted by 5SIZ
On the very back of the block by the distributor on the drivers side "don't know if you'll even see it." There is some writing on a flat piece that will say either GM305 or GM350.
Other than that you could have gotten the casting no. off of the heads in between the springs and the rockers while replaceing the gaskets, running the heads casting no. on a head search engine would tell you what cc they were as well as year motor, either 58cc for a 305 or 64cc for a 350.
if it is a 91 and it has perimeter bolt valve covers that would be a give away that it is a pre-87 motor.
"head aches" ok enough info lol.
On the very back of the block by the distributor on the drivers side "don't know if you'll even see it." There is some writing on a flat piece that will say either GM305 or GM350.
Other than that you could have gotten the casting no. off of the heads in between the springs and the rockers while replaceing the gaskets, running the heads casting no. on a head search engine would tell you what cc they were as well as year motor, either 58cc for a 305 or 64cc for a 350.
if it is a 91 and it has perimeter bolt valve covers that would be a give away that it is a pre-87 motor.
"head aches" ok enough info lol.
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Originally posted by GTA4ME
the engine bay is a wiring mess!
the engine bay is a wiring mess!
Sometimes a bad or dirty ground wire can be to blame. I would advise against getting a Junkyard wiring harness, below is a link that shows partially what a J-yard harness looks like i spent a better part of 1 month testing the harness out and splicing in wires to make the bugger work. that is after i found out there were boards like this to help me out.
. but keep in mind i mixed BOP with Chevy. http://www.fl-thirdgen.org/camarophreak.html
just my .02
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Originally posted by AZCamaroPhreak
its not too difficult to find the engine block #, though there are different locations depending on the year of the block and there are numbers all over them anyways. "5SIZ" has it though you should be able to find GM305 or GM350 raised letters/#'s you cuold try looking on the rear driverside of the block just behind the head on the flat area where the Trans bolts up. I wish it was that ez to find a valve cover gasket 4 a specific year and thats what the engine is(though sometimes a geuss is good enough)... If i remember Error404's car (VIN) was a 1986 TPI but it had a 1986 350TPI there where only 10 camaro's if that produced with a 5.7L TPI in that year it turned out that it was a Truck engine.
its not too difficult to find the engine block #, though there are different locations depending on the year of the block and there are numbers all over them anyways. "5SIZ" has it though you should be able to find GM305 or GM350 raised letters/#'s you cuold try looking on the rear driverside of the block just behind the head on the flat area where the Trans bolts up. I wish it was that ez to find a valve cover gasket 4 a specific year and thats what the engine is(though sometimes a geuss is good enough)... If i remember Error404's car (VIN) was a 1986 TPI but it had a 1986 350TPI there where only 10 camaro's if that produced with a 5.7L TPI in that year it turned out that it was a Truck engine.
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