i got this trans from a guy... but he pulled it for me.. all i got were the parts and a box of bolts, so im just double checking where i think everything goes... im pretty confident with the ones i have labled, but i looked all over the trans and still cant figure out where the other, unlabled parts go.... either im missing somthing, or he gave me extra parts.. lol

so can anyone tell me what my mystery bolts/nut/washer are? id guess that the single bolt is the one that goes to the TQ arm bracket, but it looks too long.
also, if i labed any wrong, please lettme know.


also heres my guess on the connectors....
im assuming they're regular weatherpack connectors..... are they, or are they diffrent somehow? is everything labled right?



can anyone positivly tell me what shifter this is? going off of what a friend just told me, i THINK its the hurst shifter option (yay) but im not positive...

 

Everything you labeled is correct.

The shifter is stock.

Some of the mystery hardware may be for the torque arm mount.

 

coo

is it the stock hurst or the stock regular one?

mmk. so thoes "self tapping" looking bolts dont go into anything on the trans? ive looked all over, and cant figure out what they should goto.

 

That shifter is totally stock as far as I can tell. It looks just like the one that cam off mine ('95 Z28).

Those self tappers definately don't go into the trans. All the trans case holes are tapped for metric thread bolts.

 

the mystery bolts could be for that dust shield dealy

 

they seem a lil big.... but, i'll look into that tonight. i didnt think of looking there.

 

That could be the slp shifter. It resembles the stock piece very well. What color is the shifter handle. My 95 shifter handle is black and didn't think it could be unbolted like that. I thought they were a one piece design like the T5 shifter. Whatever it is it is stamped and garbage. Pro5.0 time.

 

black handle.... best pic i have of it sitting on there: http://josh.swoca.net/board/mrdude/newpics/IM000160.JPG




so when you get a pro 5.0, is it just the stick and base? my understanding is theres just a cup under there, and the entire linkage is internal.... so do you pull apart the trans and redo the linkage, or does the pro50 just change the throw ratio and fit tighter into the "cup"

because if its just a tighter fit that makes it feel better, then i can make that work...... :lala:

im probly not going to mess with it right now though.... i want it IN the car and runnin.. then i'll worry about shifter quality

 

The Pro 5.0 is just a bolt on deal. You don't need to touch the insides of the trans. The shift rail system is internal, but the shifter controls the pre-load of the gates and leverage ratio of the shift arm. The Pro 5.0 is designed to raise the pivot point, which means that the throw is shorter due to a different leverage ratio, not just a cut down stick. It is the most precise, smoothest shifting shifter I've ver used.

 

Looks exactly like the stock shifter sticking out of the one I have sitting in my garage at the moment.... so I'd be inclined to say it's stock.

I agree, it's stamped sheet metal, it's garbage. If you want it to be as good as possible you should get something else.

 

Now that you posted the pic with the shifter, that is stock. That is exactly the way mine looks in my 95. I just can't see the base of mine so I thought maybe it could be something else. I also didn't realize that the stock shifter was a two piece deal. The Pro5.0 is cake to install and is also a two piece deal. You will see that the little ball that goes into the tranny is the same as stock. It is in the shifter that makes the throws shorter, and in the base that makes the shifter stronger. The whole unit won't flex like the stock one will. TKO described it perfectly.

 

That shifter IS the Optional Hurst Shifter... exactly like the one I pulled out of my car...

 

cool.. finially someone who realizes im talking about the STOCK OPTION one.. even though i said it earlier


but what makes you so sure? how do i tell them apart?

i looked at a friends trans lastnight, his looked just like mine, but he also says he thinks he has the hurst option.


is the non hurst stock one black instead of gold or what?

 

The optional hurst I think is the only one with the curve in the stick. It should have a rubber isolation bowl at the bottom where it meets the shifter. the shifter (gold part on the tranny) should be very tight to try and shift... move it back and foorth and it should give alot of resistance...

 

it does..


i dont have the shifter to handle bolts, so i cant get a feel for exactly how tight it is.. but it did have that notchy hurst option feel when i did get it to move thru the gears...

but i wasnt positive.







in anycase, i like the stock hurst shifter.... true ive never driven a car with a pro5.0, but until i can afford one, i dont think i even want to try it.... lol. i have more important places to spend my money right now.... like on the supercharger multipoint injection setup... (sooo close, yet so far to go..):lala:

 

The shifter to handle bolts are short little gold pieces... 13mm wrench IIRC.... should be able to pick them up at a junkyard or through the stealer...

The stock hurst is a decent piece, and much better than stock, but doesnt compare to an aftermarket shifter... much better feel..
the problem with the stock hurst is that rubber isolator... doesnt feel as good as a solid metal to metal IMO..

anyway, good luck with the tranny install

 

The stock shifter in my 95 has a curve just like that in that pic. I am pretty sure mine is not a hurst unless you could get it as an option back in 95. My roomate has the hurst factory option in his 02 SS and his does not look like that and is considerably shorter.

 

He may have the factoy optioned hurst shifter, but it might have a Short Stick.... is he the original owner

 

you could get the option with the T56 cars too.

and the LS1 hurst option shifter is the same height as the stock one.... the external diff is that it has the "H" molded into the handle...

my roomate has a 2002 WS6 with the hurst option. its def the stock height.

 

Hmm well then that makes me wonder if I have it to. Here I just went out and snapped some shots of mine. I have never come across any RPO's for the shifter in my car but it is a fully optioned Z.

Pic one is a good one of the handel

 

im just going to go get some bolts from the hardware store. i have to go there to get some other things anyway. im just going to bring a bolt with the right thread for the size, and the handle top for the length.

i saw all the short sticks and metal to metal ones on ebay. rather then paying $30 for a piece of metal with 2 holes and threads, i think im going to pay $15 for a tap, and some alum..

then make 3 or 4 of them... and sell em.
ive found that if you're makign one part for your car... and it doesnt suck, others want one too.. so i usually make back the cost of what i made by making a couple extras.... ive gotten several "free" parts and tools that way.

thoes with my stuff, you know who you are

thanks.

 

Here is another pic after I took apart the console a bit. I new about the 'H" in the handle but I have the regular old ball. Unless the "H" never came on the handle in a LT1 car.

 

ive never seen the "H" handle in a LT1 car...

but you do have the leather wrapped ****..

check your RPO codes for BBS = Hurst Shifter Linkage


i THINK thats the correct code...

should be on a sticker on the drivers door or doorframe.

 

except for the ****, that looks exactly like what came out of my car...

 

Well I have the RPO NP5 which is a leather wrapped steering wheel and shift ****. I do not have an RPO for any shifter of any sort. I went ahead and wrote all of them down and decoded them but no dice. Hmm....

 

BBS is the option code, but I think its for 99-up only...

Are you the original owner?

very easily someone could have picked one up cheap on ebay and installed it...

 

Yea I am the third owner. My roomates SS is in storage right now so I cannot go look at his RPO's. Yea you never know what you are going to get with a used car. I assume its stock because everything down the the paper filter was stock when I got it.

Well I have looked at numerous f-body RPO decoders and none of them list or reconise the BBS code. I have tried it for all camaros from 67 to 02. Unless it was an RPO less option. Could that be? Could it be inside the door like SLP options are listed?

 

Well its a GM option, so SLP shouldnt have anything to do with it... the only dcoder I tried is the one on www.firehawk.org

 

Well my shifter is 100% stock so you can use that as comparison. The guys over on camaroz28.com confirmed me. They said the hurst option didn't appear on LT1's untill the SS and firehawk returned in 96 and 97.

 

did you show them the pics you took?

 

Yea I did and I had them reference this thread for all of the info.

 

hmmm... well I dont know what to to tell you.. but both those shifters look exactly like mine, and now that I think about it, my buddies 02 ws6 looked like it, and they are both Hurst equipped cars....

as far as it not being an option in 95 for your car, that doesnt mean someone didnt put it on before you got it....

 

Yea I thought about that to but I don't know. Who would put a used factory upgraded shifter on a car instead of going to a much better aftermarket one. Plus the car was bone stock down to the unchanged air filter that was completely caked with crud and never had been changed.

 

The 2 self tappers are to hold the cat convertor/exhaust to the mount on the side of the tranny. You prob dont need them, but I never throw bolts away.

 

the shifter in the picture is clearly stock gm not a hurst by any streach. look at the base plate its thin stamped sheetmetal. an I am sure yours says something like.. pat. no. 456924 and possiably a 52561 and 86023 written some where on it or very simmilar . the hurst ones that came on the f-bodys have a thicker base plate that mounts to the trans. and the aftermarket gm ones look a little differant yet and I think? have stops but, may not?

 

The exhaust hanger for the T56 is a bracket with a rubber insulator that recieves a hook from the cat assembly. The end that bolts to the trans is held in place by the torque arm mount bolts (nut side). This hanger can be made to work if you section the arm part 1.5". Then just fab up a simple bracket to go from your cat to the hanger. Works like factory.

Maybe the guy that bought the old shifter off my trans that I sold on eBay put it on yours. I never even installed the stock shifter in my car. It's been Pro 5.0 since day one.