I just checked my shipping status, they have arrived.
Called home, they said I have big box in living room

I will be taking pics tonight. If ANYONE has ANY questions, measurements, want any specific angles, etc. Ask BEFORE this weekend (9-17-04)!!!

This weekend, I will be taking notes and pics. during install.

:rockon:

Thanks Karl, and anyone else who called, emailed, dontated car, whatever.

WE MADE IT HAPPEN!

 

sounds like fun good luck

 

Let us know how long it takes to install them!

 

That will depend on how much drinking I do while installing

Actually, mine will be faster then most. Bolts are freashly installed, no egr, no smog.


First Impression
Packaging good
Welds look good (few have splatter)
Has O2 sensor hole
EGR mount
Comes with proper bolts, gaskets and 2 clamps.
Paint thats on them looks like something else has layed on them. No biggie


Pics coming in few min soon as they load off my camera :lala:

 

Hi Darling, How was your day? Glad to see you

 

Whats that, you have some good news for me?

 

You brought me some parts? How nice

 

O wow, these should work great on my car!

 

Even Carb Approved

 

lets show off some of them details

 

ops, made a mistake on the pic

 

only place I dont like. Some burs, and the weld is built up good for strength. Hoping the opening is still large enough.

 

Those sir, are beautiful. {tear} haha

 

sir :nono: That just makes me feel older, and my b-day is this week

 

Friend just showed up, hes pissed at his woman, so hes ready to tinker.

Install starting now

 

they look great. cant wait to see install pics. if you don't mind me asking..... how much did you pay after shipping?

 

Looks great Jay.

Thats fairly standard to have welding flack inside flange ports on ant brand of aftermarket headers. Just take a round sanding disc and de-burr them. You won't break the welds.

 

what size is the y-ypie on them. it looks like 2 1/4". or is it 2 1/2. everything else looks awsome

 

y-pipe is 2.375


And this ***** is loud and sounds nasty with just headers n y-pipe

bty, install is just now finished.

Were going for a test drive

 

Awesome! Report back, too... I need some pics of it, on the car (from underneath, if possible) to see what I can do about a turbo pipe for it

 

that's awesome! and quick! i take it that they must fit pretty well if you got them in that quick! did you run it without the y-pipe in???? let us know how it runs and now you're on the "gotta go get track times" list too!

 

ok, forgot to get under-car shots as I was to happy. But when its on the rack early next week for the um "cat converter", I'll take some. I'll try to see what track fees are, but its 1000 or 1/8 no 1/4s around here.


Problems!
Left side hits oil filter pf47 may clear, havent tested


Issues on install.
Right side, have to pull alt, and dx battery. Does take some wiggling. The bottom mount touches frame rail tell you tighten it down, then it pulls away. Not included, but needed will be 6" o2 sensor extension. I gotta order one. We tugged n tugged, and like gutar string right now, but its hooked up. Bottom middle bolt requires 1/4 ratchet, extension, and 7/16 socket. No other way! Top 3 reg ratchet n socket. Bottom front and rear, open end wrench.

Let side, gotta loosen up dipstick tube. Advise pulling oil filter, and presser sensor for better safe then sorry. Had to push on fuel lines for a min to wiggle it in place. Have to unplug vac to break booster. Top 3 bolts easy. Bottom not sure which ones you have to be under car with shorty wrench.

Y-pipe mounts nicely. Even clears the deeper 3.4 oil pan


3.4+open headers+2 crazy white boys+9pm = pissing some folks off

Results, as of right now, I think I have lost tad low end (remember, open exhaust), but have gained top end. Now time to park it tell I can get to exhaust shop.

Pics will be up in a few days.

 

I'm going to bet you didn't take a "before" run at the 1000 or 1/8. Results would probably be more dramatic in the 1/4 though. Well, do you think it was worth it?

 

I know that that engine was crazzy loud w/just manifolds, now we need a sound clip w/the open pipe

 

oh man, mine need to get here REAL SOON. i am jealous. HURRY UP SUMMIT!!!!!!!

 

Damien, the only track it has been on is SCCA tracks. All the drag tracks are atleast 1+ hour away and I dont know how to get to them. But I will try to go in next few months.

Worth it, if it makes this car run like my old s10, WAY worth it. But untill I get the whole system setup, I'm not saying.

Project, I think my cell phone does video/sound clips. I may see what I can do. Dont know anyone with digi video camera

Dave, no clue whats up with yours?? You ordered 3 days after mine, so yours should have shipped by now

 

they havent hit up the credit card acct yet, lol, so i dont know. i must learn patience. ha, yea right

 

TWO HOURS! Dang you guys were working quickly! Now I'm really encouraged! You did spray the old bolts down w/ PB'laster before you started?

 

patience, whats that? O yea, old Guns N Roses song

89bird. No we didnt. I had installed the engine about 6-7 months ago, so bolts to heads had been recently re-done. We cut the stock y-pipe down low and just pulled the manifolds and some pipe up thru the top.


2.5 hours. That included drinks, staring at the neighbors wife and one of the daughters, finding radio to put in garage, jacking car up.

Did not include picking up mess, or test drive.

 

btw, heard from pacesetter. They are wanting pics of the oil-filter problem. I will be supplying them friday, so they may hold off production tell that gets fixed, no clue.

 

Headers hit the bigger erl filter , right?

 

my headers have been put on a back order till oct 13. go figure. the bigger filter isnt the "stock" filter though, is it? all the books ive seen call for the shorter one. id like to be able to run the longer one, but if not, no big deal for me.

 

my 3.1 listed a pf52 (I thought). Now the 3.4 called for pf47.

Which one does the 2.8 take? That might be one of the differences.

Dave, sorry if my findings delayed your headers But being that I was one of the first to have them, I truely expected more problems then this. I am just trying to help them, as well as everyone on here to make sure they get a great item.

 

ok, just looked at partsamerica.com

86 2.8 takes pf47
91 3.1 takes pf52
94 3.4 takes pf47



Well, I bet pacesetter did make them correctly. But well see if they are willing to adjust them for a larger filter

 

i dont think it was b/c of you. i had these ordered for a lil while now. these werent gonna be sent out till then anyways. i guess summit stocked one pair of them, specially for you Dale, lol.

 

can you order them without the egr hookup on'em, and what about smog pump? I didn't see any openings for it in the picture but then again I'm not sure what it looks like. I can't wait to get these friggin things, I'm thinking of getting a 2nd job just to be able to get them.

 

fab an egrblock offplate. Also, I read in another thread that Pace Setter requested pics ofcars w/the smogpumps so that they can make accomedations for a braoder customer range.

 

ERG is a must to be carb approved. I just took the block-off plate I had and put it on these.

No smog pump hole. I offered pics to be sent in of the plugged hole, but never heard back.

 

i forgot to ask earlier, did you use the manifold gaskets? i know some dont recommend using the gaskets, at least on stock manifolds, since our cars didnt come w/ them from the factory.

 

the headers comew/gaskets. Even w/the stock manifolds, it's good to use gaskets unless you want leaks, as I don't believe that the meatla to metal surfaces will be true anymore. Also, Dale, I found the exhaust manifold gaskets I got for the motor, if you still need need them

 

yea, thats what i figured, i used them when i rebuilt my 3.4, but i was just wondering

 

so now i am confused. are these available to purchase yet?

 

Yes, they came with some really nice gaskets. Something else I forgot to mention.

The paint that comes on these, after 20 min of running, its almost burned off.

So first install, use basic cheapie gaskets, run them a month or so. Pull off, paint hi-heat your choice. Then put them back on with the good gaskets.

Thanks for the offer Nate, but will cost as much to ship them as for me to get a set locally.

 

Well as ya know they all take either filter. The PF47 is really the old Iron Duke I-4 2.5's filter. In '87, the 2.8 used the PF52, all the way thru 1992 on the 3.1. Shockingly, there was no reason for the switch- unless GM realized the obvious- that the PF52 is the better filter to use. The PF52's also used on the 4.3 Vortec V6's, too. Will our motors take an oil filter relocation kit? I never looked into it (never had to)!

Congrats on the install by the way!!

I'll have to give Jet Hot a call and see how much they want for a ceramic job on V6 headers... I guess people also get the y-pipe done, huh?

 

Food for thought when talking to Mr. Gerle-

If the headers clear the shorter filter but not the longer one, then whats going to happen when you try to even unsrcew the shorter one to replace it?

 

The PF47/52 also fits the 3800 engines as well .

The car they used must've had the short filter on when they did fitments for it.

 

about the paint that comes on them, I was under the impression that they paint them just so that they don't rust while shipping. I thought we were supposed to sand them or snad blast them and repaint them before we put them on

 

tomp, dads 4.3 vortec (2001 model) calls for pf47. I didnt know they switched filters on the 2.8 in 87. Interesting.

vsix, had same thought

project. I know what the 3.8 takes

Damien. I have no clue. If that was the case, I would rather they come bare metal. I'm going to get some hi-heat white this weekend. If I had time/place/cash, I would order some DIY ceramic and spray them. Wonder if you can throw these in the house oven and finish baking that off

 

yeah, if i had the cash I'd have ordered the coated ones striaght from pace setter. I don't know if you can finish baking that stuff off, but I do know a house oven works well for baking the new stuff on.

 

Weird; the '02 vortec I worked on had the PF52.