http://www.turbomustangs.com/forums/...threadid=29678

I am installing a turbo and have been looking around for a good set of turbo headers. B&G currently makes headers for thirdgens for race applications. (Without accessories) After reading some posts at the turbomustangs website regarding the quality of the headers I called B&G to see if they could build headers that would work with the AC. I am sending Brian at B&G a serpentine setup so he can build the headers.

Is there any interest in a group buy for a set of headers? The final price will not be known until he builds a prototype but the price will probably be around the price for some of the mustang kits. Check out the above link for some pictures of the race headers.


Below is a list for the headers. Reply to this thread and let me know if you are interested in a group buy. You are not commited if you are on the list. It is just to see how many people are interested!

• turbobike
• AustinT
• porkyzilla
• DIGGLER
• Lb9-IROCZ28
• 92Z
• 87 Iroc 350
• Blwn1
• 3.8TransAM
• fireBird88
  

 

Good choice on going with brian. I have him doing me a totally custom setup. I shipped him my tubular k-member to mock up for the crossover as well.

Good Luck on the GP, Im sure Brian will do you right if you get a few people to commit. Even without a GP price his headers are worth it..

 

I've seen the pics of the B&G hot parts before, but only on that bare engine block in the empty yellow 3rd gen engine compartment. I for one am ready to see some pics of a completed, running setup that he contributed to, thirdgen or not. Boy, some hp or et numbers of said setup would help too.

 

I am sending Brian the accessories for the bare engine in the pics. As soon as he has the prototype done Ill post some pics.


Thanks everyone for your feedback

 

What turbo is he going to use for mock-up? If I had a say, I'd have him use something big...maybe even an 88 (is that still t4 based?) or larger. That way you'd know this, or anything smaller would work with the kit.

I'm not going to hold my breath, but I'm interested to see how this turns out.

 

I may be interested. It depends on price, and how it all goes together. I like my power steering and A\C. I've been wanting to do a turbo setup for sometime now. I'd like to do a single T70 or T76. I just figured i'd do all the fab myself. I'll wait for pics and details.

 

Im useing a HX55 but doing a totally diff setup then the one shown.

http://www.turbomustangs.com/forums/...threadid=34810

I've talked to brian for quite awhile befor I desided to have him do my kit. I think your making the right desision if you do go with him. He is willing to work and do what ever you want
to get the setup to be right.

 

Just wanted to keep everybody up to date. Brian with B&G will start building the prototype next week. The headers will be for a single turbo and all accessories.

 

You can add my name to that list....

 

Im starting a list at the top of this thread.
Thanks

 

me if they are cheap

 

The price will not be known until he finishes the prototype. If the headers are not to tricky the price will probably be around the mustang header prices. I will add you to the list, like I said above your are not commited, this is just to see how many people are interested.

 

...which are??

 

Take a look at some of the prices at his website to give you an idea. Hopefully the final price will be around the price of some of his other headers but it depends on how difficult the headers are to make
www.bgturbo.com

 

B&G CUSTOM TURBO
Authorized Advertiser

Registered: Apr 2004
Location: Centerville ohio east of columbus.
Posts: 205
Hi,
Hi,
550.00 for these (prototypes) and 600 for the finished product.(finished product meaning, less welded joints.) There is nothing at wrong with these.
Thanks,
Brian




well i will say that i dont want to pay anything more than $400 thats kind of outrageous seing how they are not even ceramic coated

 

Good Luck finding someone to CUSTOME make a set of turbo headers and crossover for $400.

 

I Thought his prices were amazing for the quality of work?

 

sounds like everyone wants stuff for there price and not what the person makin the actual product is asking for. for my turbo set up im spendin $2500, is it alot, yes but am i willin to save mainly since its all about supply and demand, sure.

thats a nice set up that B&G is makin.

 

since when does metal tubing cost 600 dollars???, maybe takes a few hours once you got the schematics down... i would say that 400 sounds like a decent price its enough for him to make profit, and keep cost low and affordable for those who dont make 100k a year

 

If you find it that Easy go for it and make your own man.

You don't run a sucessful business by giving stuff away at your cost.

You have material cost.
Tubes for headers, V band clapms,flanges,
Welding materials.
Building overhead, electricity, etc.
You have to PAY your employes.
Insurance,etc..

You talking a setup he made and is now redoing a little to fit what people need here. You think that $400-600 is alot for that geee.

maybe a Turbo rought isnt right for you at this moment.

Like Tims said It can add up. My custom setup from Brian will be right around $1,000. for 2 headers and the crossover. and tial 44mm Waste gate.

Add in the turbo, fmic, then all the cold side tubing for the FMIC, a blow off valve, downpipe etc.. You can easily spend over 3k

Ok now you have a turbo setup. How about a fuel system to keep up with it. You talking another $1000-2,000.

Ok now you have the fuel and turbo setup. Is your motor gona handle the boost? Tranny rear end?

 

Does he reply to your emails? I know he is busy, but I have school all day and work when I am not in school, so I don't have time to call. I sent him a few messages and emails. I am still willing to try his old setup on my 80 malibu. My turbo should be here this week.

Chris
copeters@hotmail.com

 

Yes he replies but like you said he is busy and somtimes it takes a couple of days. If you call you can usually reach him.
As for the malibu, Im not sure how well the old setup will fit? Im sure Brian would be more than willing to make something work and look good for you.

 

lol you guys are funny

i got 2 turbos for $200 from volvo's Support upto 325hp, water cooled, with a bearing not oil bearing, and intercooler for 70, lets just say im gonna be under 1K for my entire twin turbo setup...which will be very decent, as far as fuel and spark controll im going to go with prominator well who said you cant do it for 1k if you guys wnat to spend 1k on just heades go right ahead meanwhile ill be

 

Nevermind... not even worth a full explanation, a short statement will suffice, guys like you are the reason we in the thirdgen world get shafted on new product development, you want high quality stuff, that damned well better fit right, but heaven forbid the maker of the item sell it for anything over 20% below the cost of the materials that go in.

And for a shin kicker, those volvo turbos you've got wont support 325 hp each most likely.

 

haha i dont think you guys will ever get it through your head since when does METAL TUBING and a flange cost 400.... that leaves a 200 profit, its companies that try to make 100% proffit on their items that are killing off 3rd gen markets....making the sport outrageously expensive for no reason... so unless the headers are ceramic coated 600 is a rip off...

 

A set of decent flanges will run you about 75, and even those will be cheapies, a few mandrel bends @ 15 ea, say 1.5 per primary which probably wouldnt be enough for you to fab a set, thats $90, two cheapie collectors @ 20 ea, theres 40, that 2.5" flex joint you see in his crossover to avoid cracks $70, two V band clamp sets as shown @ $50 ea thats another 100, and a flange for the turbo @ $30,

So thats 405 just skimping it and MAYBE getting the headers done, more like 450 in materials, just to fabricate your own, then factor in a bit for him putting the R&D into developing a set that fit, his time to actually fabricate the setup, and the other thing your simple mind is overlooking, the cost of a shop for him to make these things possible. His $600 asking price is more than reasonable, take your uneducated thoughts elsewhere thank you.

 

shorty style headers with a modified collector as seen here where i can hide the turbos in the rear or modify it and have them in the front or i can just route piping to the front and weld a flange... ive figured this out and have a few diy'ers helpin me out..

 

porky, who's headers are those and what did they base them on, they are nice.

600 is more than reasonable for professionally constructed headers. However, you can do it cheaper, but its a DIY project, you can't weld as well as he can and it may not look as good....however it'll be a lot cheaper for you. I'm just running modified L98 manifolds a la Kenton for now...or will be.

but who's headers are the ones you posted?

 

I hope you're not paying more than $400 for those...that would be 'outrageous'!

And good luck 'hiding the turbos in the rear' with those. Have you ever heard of a firewall? You might want to look into that.

 

$600 headers, with a crossover.... and they don't even leave room for accessories.....(I'm pretty sure I read that correctly)

What's the debate here guys? The fact that they don't leave room for accessories means most of us won't use them anyways, so stop the internet ***** war, eh?....

 

What did you NOT read above. Brian has Stock Acces. brackets now and is making a CUSTOM setup to clear everything.

and you guys think this CUSTOM work should be done for under $400




porkyzilla,

As said above GOOD LUCK hiding turbos under the hood of a 3rdgen. Esp with those headers.

on that note.. I'll be dammed those sure look 95% like the ones brian makes now for the single setup above. WITH a cross over he charged 550-600

Same with if you want em for TWINS with a flange and not a cross over.

You build me that setup for less then $400 and look as good as B&Gs work. I'll buy 3pair off you. Again It better be as good as work as Brians.

 

never said under 400 i sadi 400 would be a decent price...affordable and you still make a profit...

i am not for people/companies to not make money i understand overhead as i am in the business myself, but i know it doesnt cost that much to make a pair... sure initally it will but thats the risk all companies take when they do R&D

point being keep it to a point where you make profit and where people can afford it thats all i am trying to say...

 

who's headers?

 

some company off of ebay... www.ssautochrome.com

 

That says it all right there....

I SURE HOPE YOU DONT BUY A TURBO FROM THEM ALSO..


Your headers and Turbo might end up like this CRAP they sell.






The rest can be found here..
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1097918

Now lets get this thread back on topic..


GP on B&G Turbo headers......

 

hell no they want too much too.. i was just using the pic as an example.

 

Well, since you are so aggressive, it's obvious to me that you:

A) Have something to gain by him making them, and selling them for $600
OR
B) Are just a flaming *******
OR
C) Have something to prove.

It's apparent that you are a superficial ****, because what if you could get a set that didn't "Look as good as mine... (Brian's)", but cost half as much, and made the same power? You still wouldn't buy them?

Grow up.

 

A...... YOUR WRONG.
B...... YOUR WRONG again....
C...... YOUR RIGHT.... I do have something to prove.

That your not gona match the quality of a professional for under $400. As I said IF you can I will buy 3 pair off you right NOW!! simple as that.

my choice in B&G turbo is based on PRICE and Quality. I have NO problem giving Brian my $1000 for a custom setup because I dont have the time to do it myself.

just the 304SS I planed to do mine in from stainless works was $980. but Since I can ceramic coat it all myself I found it to be a waste of $ to go with 304 and opted for ms.

As for LOOK your right if they didnt look as good and did make the same power I Still wouldnt buy em. You know why. This is my Rolling business card. Not only will it be pushing upwards of the 850+ RWHP range but its gona be a show car also. so Looks are just as important as power.

Time is $$ and for how long its gona take someone who has never built a turbo header your profit wont be worth the time.. Esp if like you say It could coat 1/2 as much. That would put you in the Selling them for $250-300 range.

Do you honestly think you can do it and come ahead of the game for that price. IF so e-mail me I'll buy em.

if after seeing SSAUTos turbo pic's you would even think of a setup from them .. You deserve what comes out of it.

 

Talked with brian again tonight, he will start fabricating the headers this thursday or friday.
I will be able to tell you within the week where the turbo will be mounted , should have some pics by the middle of next week if all goes well
This has turned out to be an interesting thread

 

Uhhhhuuu,

And Id like to say Sorry to you for crapping it up for you, but I hate when someone thinks they can do something a expereanced builder can do for 1/2 the cost. Then try and say the price they charge is crazy.

 

i want a set and have money in hand.....
keep us posted!


also... would a medium frame t-88 bolt on the flange?

 

Its all good

I can find out, Brian is good about making it work in each application

 

thanks man....

on a side note, my car has a typical sbc v-belt setup with alternator and power steering pump. and a pa k-member with 4th gen rack&pinion. not too concerned with space in front of the engine, in other words.

 

Digger,

Brian has my Tubular K member to fab up my single setup. I shipped it down to him. So anything is possable for your routhing.

 

That makes me wonder which accesory setup Brian is using for mock-up...vbelt or serp?? Man would he be the cats @ss if he could make a kit that would work with both!!

 

.........

 

 

I'm interested in a set.

 

I want on the list too..

copeters@hotmail.com

 

Although Im not interested in this group purchase, the price IS reasonable. Your talking about a set of custom made turbo headers... if anyone can do it themselves cheaper then do it, dont wast this guy or anyone elses time!

Now, as for the www.ssautochrome.com I had ordered a set of headers from them for a friends tundra, and I was EXTREMELY impressed with the quality of the header. That turbo incident looks unfortunate, but I doubt that they make the castings.