CRAZYCHUCK13

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dear sir/mam
through a cowoker i received a super chip.suposedly this chip set is to fit my 89 iroc w/5.7 tpi.i have a number on the back of the chip that has the words aos or ads super chip printed on a label.the part nuber is41241460bc.(below is)philippines lx 29.
can anybody help w/ info of application?
i do not want to install before i know this super chip will work.
by the way,i received two chips.one smaller than the other.
thanks chuck

Grim Reaper

Those chips are worthless.

Gummie

While that is completely true, it's not exactly the most helpful thing to say when someone is starting off. I suggest that you head over to the DIY Prom board. Read through the various stickies and I'm sure that you will get a gist of why people say stay away from aftermarket chips. If you're feeling lazy, just search 'hypertech' and you will come up with tons of stuff.

Grim Reaper

That's all that is needed to be said about them. If the person wants more information, there is the "Search Button" on the top right hand corner right beside "Home". It's been documented thousands of times as to "why they are worthless", many by myself.

But, there is also a sticky on this very subject https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=104792
which people can read.

People need to learn to do a "little research", especially on a subject that has been asked thousands of times, and I can see a couple of similar posts right now on this board. That is why we "ban" these type of questions on the DIY Prom Board (and most of the other boards)....because it has been answered a thousand times, and the answer is the same they are worthless.

And, unfortunately, people are usually NOT interested in the REAL solution - burn your own. They want "plug n play" and it just doesn't work.

89Warbird

I got a "plug and play" chip and it works great! It WAS a REAL solution to tame my beast. Just because some chips don't work doesn't mean they are all worthless. Since you are a moderator I will not dispense any condescending remarks, as you have.

Grim Reaper

Well, if you all eat is hamburger, then I guess you can't comment on what fillet mignon tastes like can you? I've eaten both.

Enough said. I'm glad you enjoy your "off-the-shelf" eprom. Now, if you only saw what it REALLY has inside....

Matt87GTA

As if there is any question here..... People, Glenn knows PROMs. Period.

Do people get lucky now and again with off the shelfers? Obviously... Is it wise to roll the dice and assume you are one of those lucky people? Not really.

Now I can understand having an off the shelf done for your car if the programmer will make a few free alterations. Then a guy can check it with a WBO2 and drive it and log data and whatnot and have a few alterations made. At least then you might know you are safe and maybe even close to getting all of the potential power and driveability and mileage - all at the same time - out of your combo....

Acceld Z

Glen, it's nice to see you back posting. I see that you've managed to keep your cheery disposition intact Not everyone can make the investment (time, money) in PROM burning. But you're right, ADS chips do suck. I've heard of several cars getting slower after installation. Hell, the chip I paid Ed Wrong for at Fastchip was complete garbage too. Learning to do it yourself or actually strapping the car to a dyno at a calibration provider is the best way to do it.

Grim Reaper

Ahh these damn pills are killing me.

I know what you mean when you say "not everyone can make the investment", but the truth is, they should. In fact, I've been preaching for the last few years that the FIRST modification that a person should make is learning how to modify the eprom.

It's a heck of a lot easier to modify an eprom when the engine is still fairly stock and IF you should make a mistake (and who hasn't), its easy to get it back to stock and start over. Next, you REALLY learn how to understand the scan tool readings and diagnos problems by the readings (and other signs that the engine may give), and lastly, a person WILL get a noticable increase in performance and fuel economy.

Afterall, an efficient engine generally produces more power and energy from a given amount of fuel. The problem is, too many people want the "easy way out" and when they get told they are wrong, they don't like to hear it. I am not here to "make people feel good about themselves" (go see a psychiatrist for that), I am here to help people get the most out of their setup - whether it's stock or heavily modded.

And Acceld, while some "tuners" will challenge a "dyno tune" as being the best way to optimize your engine; I will concur it is one of the best ways to get you very close to the "sweet spot". The only way to improve on a "dyno tune", is then tweak it at the strip (because the dynamics of an operating engine is different when it is standing still, and when it is moving).


My work is done and the original poster now has his answer why "Off-the-shelf chips are a waste of money" (save your bones, go to the DIY Prom Board and read the Introductory Article on how to burn eproms AFTER you have read the link that I posted which I call "the Intro to the Intro".

One thing I will say, while I have seen guys complain about their "off-the-shelf_ or "custom eprom" written for them, I have YET to ever hear ANYONE complain who has gotten into eprom burning regret it. Yeah, they may be stumped and need some guidance, but that's what the DIY Prom Board is for - to help guys get over those "humps". Probably the biggest regret I hear, is "I should have started doing this sooner."

Warbird89, your car CAN be a lot faster with an optimized eprom that you learn to tune yourself. I wish I was local to you to show you. You wouldn't slap a carb out-of-the-box and expect it to be optimal would you? MAF cars are more forgiving to modifications than SD cars, but being able to run "half ***" and running optimal are vastly different. I have seen .3 sec & 3 mph improvement on a bone stock MAF car with an optimal eprom. Modified MAF cars can see even more.

Acceld Z

I'm trying to learn how to use the DFI system in my new car. It's difficult stuff to get your mind around but i'm hoping to to get it done. I'm having trouble getting the bugger to start in the cold but i'm sure i'll work it out eventually. I expect the learning curve is even steeper with PROM burning.

Just to add fuel to the fire......I had a friend make me a chip with the ARAP bin on it with a few changes. The car was noticeably quicker with my friend's chip than with the Ed Wrong chip.

Grim Reaper

I would differ. First, there is a LOT of guys here that know eprom burning - both MAF & SD. And while we won't burn a person an eprom, if I think the person has an "interesting/heavily modified" setup, I am more than happy to "draft" a bin for the guy to get him going. My only pre-requisite, is they buy the eprom burning equipment and software, and actually try to learn. I am more than happy to "guide" them then.

In all honesty, "seeing" the eprom burning in action is a snap. Anyone I've actually shown, has learnt the "mechanics" of how to burn and modify an eprom in 30 minutes. It's the "tuning" that takes time (and practice). That is where a "draft" can be helpful - so at least you have an operating car and THEN you can tweak it to get it optimal.

And when you consider the cost of DFI versus eprom burning, there is a LOT of cash difference. Heck, I could ask $500 for a "very good draft" with "tutoring" and even then with all the eprom burning equipment, you still would be cheaper. And be able to get most of your ECM parts cheap at a junk yard.

Any chance of getting you to sell that DFI and try eprom burning instead? I am certain there is some DIY members in your area. We now have a fair number out here in the west.

89Warbird

Let's see I remember an article in GMHTP where they had some EPROM burning whiz come out to tune up Magnum TPI. Ended up it just went slower and slower and did best with an ADS Superchip. Hmm.................................

Oh, and my chip isn't off the shelf, it's a custom chip, but I didn't burn it, so it's plug and play, and boy do I PLAY!

As for Hamburger and Filet Mignon, I prefer Sirloin.

The first thing anyone should do/add/buy is a radar detector.

Acceld Z

Glen, i'd ditch the DFI in a second if it was viable. The install was done by the previous owner and all of the GM harness was removed. You'd have to see it. It's not a hack job but it would be pretty difficult to go back to a GM SD setup. It's also probably not worth much since it's the old style ECM (5.0-6.32). I'm going to do my best with it and then take it to a pro for a final tweaking and hopefully a tutoring session. I know the DFI can't do what the factory stuff can do but i'm sure i'll be happy with it. Eventually.

Please let me know if you're aware of anybody that's good with this sort of thing in my area(Ontario).

Acceld Z

The guy that did the initial PROM work is a member here. It must have been fun trying to tune a half smoked engine with a bad fuel pump. That car was a cluster **** from the get go.

Who did your "custom" chip?

89Warbird

Dean at Street and Performance did my chip.

I should never have mentioned Magnum TPI, what a waste of money that car was and is. If I spent $10,000 on an engine I better be cranking out more than 340 RWHP.

Matt87GTA

Glenn got me started on this a few years back and I cannot thank him enough . And there was much less information and fewer tools available back then... Now there is so much help and so many new easily accessible and affordable tools it is really a no-brainer unless you have absolutely no idea how an engine operates and no desire to ever know.

I've passed on what Glenn did for me to a few others and done a few starter PROMs for people as well. Some of the people have gone on to get their own equipment and whatnot as well. This is one of the reasons why DIY PROM people compell others to join us. As more and more people get into this all of the developments I stated above become reality furthering the entire practice for everyone.