Knyghtmare

A couple things.

Why would you put Pinto even in the same sentence at a Vette?



I think someone is a little jealous.

greenirocz

Wow -

- Overnight returned alot of feedback on this...

I am now questioning what I should do - -

- - I really do wish people would get off my back about the "labeling an RS an Iroc"

I havn't done anything yet!!!

I like my RS alot! But - I think the Iroc's and the Z28's have a cool factor of 10 with the louvers / blisters / grills / spoliers etc.

I want to keep my car green - I've had alot of compliment on my third gen - and I dont want to paint it black or red or anything else.

What I'm curious about now - is possibly going the z28 way with it. I know a guy that has a pulled LS1 with 6-speed sitting in his garage.

I really wanted to convert my car to an IROC.

Just because it doesnt read it in the vin - if the suspension was changed, tach's matched the 90 model and a V8 was dropped in - what's the problem with calling it an IROC? Afraid it will outrun yours?

I'm not afraid to tell people it's not an original Iroc. I'll be happy to explain the differences and customization I put into it.

Thanks everyone for the compliments on it's current state - and for the freedom of doing what I like. I am still not sure exactly what I'm looking for - but it's not staying an Rally Sport - I'm moving up!

So here's the question?

"Custom Iroc with an LS1 or Rs conversion to a 91 Z28" ???

Thanks Everyone! Lots of help!!!

mw66nova

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hehe, this made me laugh likely this is not the case.

i say, put the IROC hood on it, the one with the louvers, cause they look sick. put the IROC wheels on it, cause they look awesome. put the ls1/t56 combo in it, cause it's a great platform to build on. and keep it an RS. no-one will know what to expect when they get whooped by an RS with the "v6". that's why i did what i did with my car.

CYARS92

Just **** em all off and call it an IROC-Z28 SPORT COUPE RS OFFICIAL INDY PACE CAR 1LE HERITAGE EDITION, But then, that probably wouldn't fit on the door! Dare to be different, do what YOU WANT! They'll get over it as soon as they get a life.

greenirocz

LOL - I like this guy!

phoenix305

Man this has become a heated debate. I just wanted to get your guys opinion on this. I dont want to high jack this thread but i have an 87 iroc but the body has been damaged very badly. So badly infact that it isn't worth trying to repair. My idea is to buy a cheap sports coupe or rs with a straight body and basically swap everything over from my iroc to the rs or sport coupe chassis. What do you guys thing i should label it after that? It would have the built motor i have, iroc suspension, iroc groung effects, iroc brakes, iroc posi, iroc 4 wheel disk, wonder bar, and iroc sway bars. i'm just confused on what i should call it if all you think that is being a "poser"?

cooltc2004

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I like the idea of calling it an IROC-RS

There are people who take 1969 Camaro base V6 coupes, and make COPO clones all the time, and sell them for alot of money.

Cloning a car isn't something new, I say go for it man.

MidnightBlue07

IROC- RS , I like that name too, but you do whatever what you want , it's ur camaro

maroguy1

They didn't make Irocs in 1991. That is the first thing people will realize.

2nd of all if you put the iroc stuff on there and don't change the motor and you get smoked by a honda they are gonna think all z28/iroc camaros are slow. DROP IN AN LS1 FIRST!!!!!

maroon88iroc

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well i dont know if it has already been said but... if it were mine i would change it to a 91-92 z28 it would be a whole lot easier and look alot more like the real thing. if you change to z28 all you need is grill wheels emblems hood/louvers high rise spoiler and thats about it. if you change it to an iroc it wont look like an iroc b/c of the 91/92 gfx and the dash.

i dont have a problem with clones at all and i dont see why anyone else does. i say you do what you want to your car its yours, make it your own by making it unique.

Stevo

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this is the worst thread ever. close it...

good god people getting so heated up about this and that...damn

I dont know why how fast a car has anything to do with the "name" it should be given...grow up.

Elwood77

Bwahaha

BlueZee28

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dude screw what other people think...seriously. it's your car, if you like how IROCs look, then by all means make it look like that. i dont really care for the IROC louvers, so i'm trying to get the '91/'92 blisters for my '89 IROC. am i gonna get alot of negative comments on it? probably...do i care? NO! i already have 2 nice cars and what do a few peoples' petty comments mean to me? not a whole lot

with that said, do what you want. when you're out there making heads turn, you can sit back and laugh at those who picked on you for it

91Z28

Do whatever you want it's YOUR car, if you wanna put an iroc hood, newwer style gfx, and throw in a caddy CTS motor do it...... Ive read about 14 posts and all i hear is crying "it's not an iroc" "the vin wont mach" "dont be a poser" waaaah How many first gen SS clones are there in america right now.....plenty, and does anyone care.... only collectors, baret jackson, and some of the whiners here. Although id reccomend dropping in the motor first, i am a realist and understand that sometimes it's easier and cheaper to do the ext. first..... I have a 91Z with no orig drivetrain left, but since it's not "factory" maybe i should take it to the crusher I say do what YOU want to do, im thinking of converting my 89 vert to iroc status..... Good luck

plowboy1989

I overheard a guy going on and on about his "vette" one day (back in the early 90's) at a chevy dealership. The salesman was really getting worked up talking to a guy that had a "vette". Only problem was that I knew the guy and he had a "che vette".

MetalliCamaroRS

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Ahh the good ol' cloning debate. It never ends.

My take is, its your car so do what you want. But I still think its lame to call a car something its not. If you're going to go around telling people its an IROC, then I don't agree with it. Also, if you were to ever sell it, I sure hope you don't sell it as an IROC. I don't see anything wrong with telling people you have an RS with an LS1, IROC hood, IROC rims, etc. But if you claim its an IROC, thats where I think its crappy.

Thats just my opinion though. Ultimately, its your car and you should do what you want. This thread will probably eventually wind up locked, but hopefully people will keep it clean.

I also think its lame when people are too lazy to read the thread..

92 Formula

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Because it's not. I'm "against" it, too, but it's your car so that trumps everything.

Quicc Silver Z

black84z28-4spd

a stock ls1 is 10000000x better than a sbc hands down...it is a major redesign and its probably one of the best motors gm has ever put out..if they are crap how come people are paying top dollar just for that motor for swaps over a cheaper and easier to swap sbc?....dunno...maybe its because of its coil on plug design being really good...maybe its heads?...maybe its full aluminum block...

ls1>sbc

Johns1989irocz

that would be a great idea, again, i have no problem with someone wanting to have their own style, but don't ask people for their opinion, and then get all bent out of shape when they do give it.
No matter what you do it is still a 3RD GEN CAMARO, that is what we are all members of this place for, right? We are here to help people with questions, comments, ideas, ect...
It is his car, so its his right to build what ever he wants, just please don't ever try to sell it as an IROC, I dont agree with using the IROC name, and I am not scared of my IROC getting beat by your car.

and Knyghtmare, as to your reply about a vette and pinto in the same sentence---- why would you put IROC and RS in the same sentence, they are 2 different cars also

and 91z28, most of us dont care about the 69 camaro clones, this is a 3rd gen camaro site, it was a question about a 3rd gen camaro, not a 1st gen camaro

If I pi$$ed anyone off, I AM SORRY, but these are just my
I am not here to make enemies, I don't think anyone here is, I think we are all adults, and can accept everyones opinions for what they are. Bottom line is that it is his car, not ours, he can and will do what he wants reguardless of what we say, that is one of the great things about living in america, freedom of choice. (enough political crap)

I respect his ideas and everyones opinions

Good luck GREENIROCZ

black84z28-4spd

its like calling janet reno hot...its not right...dont fake label a car if its not the real car...do what i did...my car looks like an iroc and its an 84, nut you will never see anything on my car expect badging calling it what it is...a z28


your car doesn't scare me...bring it ...just hope you have enough...mine wont be no slouch either when its done...you'll need more than just an ls1 swap

Rich92 RS

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Johns1989irocz

hey Rich92rs, he asked for suggestions on what he should do or make sure he does. I, and I think some others think, he should buy an IROC, not clone one, for the money he paid for the car and the parts, he could have found a fairly decent IROC, depending on the prices he did pay!

Lets no start arguing about what others say, afterall these are OUR suggestions

Abubaca

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OK, take ALL performance parts out of the equation. It doesn't matter how fast your car IS or ISN'T.

...the question is in the badging. Some people strictly buy a car as a means of building something. Numbers and VINS don't mean anything. Fair enough. But remember, some of us do. No one denies that this is HIS car, and he can do what he wants, but for those of us that like "real" specific models, it's a stab in the back to see a clone made. Again, we can't stop anyone from doing it, and we realize that. HOWEVER, this board is a community. While here, you're part of the community, and the majority of us are against cloning. That doesn't mean you should be flamed to no end, but you are going to take some heat here and there. ...and it doesn't mean we can't all be adult enough to still value your opinions, your tech help, your ideas and so forth, but again, I have just as much right to be against what you're doing as you have to do it.

I also love how people say "he never asked for your opinion". That's awesome. It has LESS to do with the thread than the unwanted opinion.

...and I love how people get all worked up and then post and complain about how people get "all worked up".

Johns1989irocz

very well said

Abubaca

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MY iroc? hehe...you must be new.

OutLaw305

you do realize that the LS1 is still a SBC

And yes , you make the point that people are paying top dollar for LS1 crossovers, however... i still have money left over from my cheap, carbed sbc swap for the rest of the go fast goodies which those doing the LS1 swap wouldnt. I will admit, the LS1 is most def a cool engine and thats probably why people go for them. But the sheer ease of dropping in a high powered old school block for a fraction of the price with far more ponies under the hood.... less is more anyone?

mw66nova

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outlaw 305, the lsX series motors are NOT SBC's. they are a completely redesign using nothing from the previous two generations. it's a Gen III chevy v8, not a small block.

LAFireboyd

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Funny... many IROCs today have little, if anything, left that actually made them IROCs in the first place.

Things that made an "IROC-Z" were: the hood(which many have swapped for various styles of Ram Air hoods); gfx, shared by the Z28(some have switched to '91/'92 gfx); the engine(which many have replaced with something completely different); the wheels(which were probably the first thing that many swapped); springs(many of which have been swapped for lower ones); and let's not forget the most controversial item here, of all things, stickers, which some have even removed.

So why are so many complaining? When people post pix of cars with changes like I've just described, people wet their pants and slobber all over each other. We all know it's not because of the badging, but because a lot of hard work went into them, and they're awesome!

So with or without "authentication"(VINs, RPOs on a label, or stickers that say the car once WAS an IROC), greenirocz, if you do all those things you've told us you're gonna do, then your car, too, will be something to be proud of, just as nice and just as deserving as any other.

But personally, I'd leave off the decals. IMO, it'll look much cleaner. And having a "sleeper" would probably make you more proud of your car than advertising it.

BADASS91B4C

kind of off topic but my cars VIN says my car is a Z28 but the badges say RS and it came that way from the factory! ooooooo what now hahaha

Fastrnu

A few people have said it. Taking an RS and making an IROC clone is, in my opinion, very different than calling a Neon a Viper or a Pinto a Vette. People make Z28 clones regularly and few complain about that.

I don't see the difference in this and putting a 4th gen drivetrain and interior in a 3rd gen. People on this board love that, heck, I'm putting an LQ9 and T-56 in mine. Third gens are not 4th gens. Now, these people aren't calling their cars 4th gens, so maybe that is the difference. Put all the IROC stuff on it you want and just call it a Camaro and people should be OK with that.

Personally I say, make the car the way you want it and don't worry so much what the rest of us think. It's your car, your time, your sweat, your cuts and bruises, your money, your enjoyment.

CrazyHawaiian

The way I see it, all the different models of F-bodies were just different combinations of different parts on a common chassis. You can take any part from any model Camaro and put it on a different Camaro chassis even mix and match if you want, same goes for the Birds. If the guys not gonna sell it and lie, I dont really see what the big deal is. Me personally, I could care less about what badges are on a car. These days that dosnt mean anything.

Abubaca

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....see, that's just it. YOU PERSONALY. Hey that's cool, but why is it OK to have your opinion, but the "no cloning" opinion some how is wrong? You all say we're whining and being cranky, but it appears that YOU guys are the ones getting more upset. No, we don't like clones. That's not gonna change. Some of you don't see a problem with them, and I'm sure THAT won't change either.

It just seems like we can never have this conversation without people getting all pissed off and defensive. That's not directed at anyone in particular, but rather a reminder to everyone regardless of your opinion, that we're all more productive when we're not flaming

OK, that's the "mod" side of me.

As for the issue at hand, I'll say this. If badges are just badges, and they don't mean anything, then why put 'em on?

Zrated83

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Putting Iroc decals and emblems on his RS is the same thing as ®icers putting
Type-R badges on their cars.

Camaroguy18

it's funny, because I bet any of the 'haters' would take up a first gen clone in a second with no complaints

90-irocdx3

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mw66nova

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yep, and put the correct badges on it!

MidnightBlue07

I like that one

OutLaw305

ah ha. I stand corrected. (id still take the el cheapo though!)

greenirocz

Well - This topic went from one spectrum to the other really fast!

That was alot of reading - and I respect each and every position on this topic.

I think the most common association with this whole topic is a cloning issue. When in fact - I think LAFireboyd summed up a really good example of the mods involved in the creation of Iroc's. They basically are beefed up RS's with a different VIN #.

And I think this VIN # is what seperates the three crowds.

1) People who think it's wrong to badge an RS an Iroc if it really isn't an original Iroc-Z.

2) People who think it's okay to badge an RS and Iroc IF the modifications are added to the Vehicle as well - Including a small block V8.

3) People who think the car is yours so you can do whatever you want to it.

I think this last group is the most freedom-istic (lol) group here.

The first set of people I believe to be the hardcore camaro enthusiasts, ones who have owned several camaros for several years and are truly devoted to the fully original camaro's (no clones) - And I completely understand their reasoning for this.

My father owns a beautifully garage kept Studebaker Cruiser (1965) that hasn't a blemish on it! And if someone were to somehow mimick that car and put Cruiser emblems on it - it would be kinda lame. So I truly understand the position of these individuals.

But then, there is also a part of me saying:

"What's wrong with putting Iroc parts on my RS and labeling it an Iroc?"

Although, this isn't a fully positive thought as of yet, , the only thing that would seperate my RS conversion to an Iroc would be the vin and and a different set of ground effects. Am I correct?

So in this instance, the Iroc would not be original - nor would I claim it was.

But here's a thought everyone should think about.

"Your sitting at a red light, while my Green Third Gen rolls by with:

Iroc Hood, Decals, Grill, Suspension Adjustments, etc.

A throaty growl being pushed from the dual exhaust - - "

After I'm out of sight - you realize I had 91 ground effects and no recollection of a green iroc.

"Later on down the road, you meet me at another light - - slowly examing my car as you pull up - you roll don your window and say...

???

I'm guessing group 1 says POSER - while group 2 and 3 say "I like it"

No, my 3rd Gen will not be an original Iroc - and I'm sorry I upset the people who know what I will be doing to my RS.

For what it's worth - I wont put the decals on before the engine is dropped in and the suspension is changed out and lowered a bit.

Thanks ALOT for all of the feedback... looking forward to hearing more.



oh BTW - this is an awesome Iroc! Owner is MetalliCamaroRS . This is the exact look I'm going for except swap the black for green and the blue stripe with a silver one. I Also may chop the top and put on T's and buy weatherstripping from fbodymotorsports.com.

Nice ThirdGen MetallieCamaroRS.

mw66nova

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good luck on the ttop conversion

Orr89RocZ

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if you want it to be lookin like an irocz, then go for it. i love those cars and if you do to, then do it. its a cool styling

just dont pawn it off as a IROC when its not. thats all

me and my friend will be cloning a 67 le mans into a GTO

black84z28-4spd

my friends 2000 has ported heads, a mild cam and bolt ons....with a 100shot that car made 516hp and 565ft lbs and still got 26mph on the highway....you are not doing that with ANY standard small block with little work and STOCK ported heads...no small block ever came with heads writing home about compared to stock ls1 heads

no small block ever had 6 bolt mains...stock...ls1 does...

should i mention an alloy block....stock?

no coolant passages in the intake...a nylon intake at that...

how about it being ALOT lighter in the first place

i could go on....i love small blocks but its nothing super compared to the newer modern day lsx series motors

80smetalfan

*bell sounds*

DING DING DING DING DING!!!

This is the correct answer.



While there are many first gen clones of Z28 and COPO cars, along with many other muscle cars, it's rather hypocritical for the majority of us to bash ®icers and yet give the thumbs up to this. After all, don't the IROC stickers (like Type-R) and TPI emblems (like VTEC) add 30 hp?

I, along with many others, don't have much of a problem with like the hood, or even sticking a "5.7 liter TPI" badge on there if you've got one. But going for the stickers and "IROCZ28" emblems is where it gets starts getting less respectable.

92 Formula

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But, it's NOT an IROC. See, and I mean NO offense to you or the decision you have made or ultimately make, but I just don't get why someone would badge the car something it is NOT. Why wouldn't you be just as proud modding it the way you say you want to but NOT put IROC badges on it. Again, with no offense, the reference made earlier by someone else about the Type R badges and you with the IROC-Z badges, IMO, ring true. No malice intended.

I would say, "Wow, nice car, why'd you have to badge it something it isn't?"


I sold my '69 SS 350 and my '73 RS/Z28 in 2004...but I "hated" people cloning them then and I "hate" them making clones now. I would not buy a clone, and if somehow I did, I would badge it as it really was. Most classic muscle car owners feel this way. As you can see most thirdgen owners apparently feel this way about thirdgens, too.

cactusjack0053

why not just call it RS/SS

IROCThe5.7L

I really didn't read the whole thread. My opinion is that it is your car, do what you want. Just don't sell it as a IROC-Z to some poor kid if you ever decided to sell.

MetalliCamaroRS

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Alright, unfortunately this is getting out of hand and I'm gonna have to lock it. Its straying from the third gen aspect of it and I can't see it getting much better.

Questions or comments, PM me. Thanks.