84'fxrupr

I saw in a magazine add that you can make the doors raise like ferrari/lamburgini doors, but the kit is $800. This would be cool, but not for that much. Does anyone know of a cheaper kit or of a custom way to do it? I think this would look cool on my car.
Thanks,
Jared

85SportCoupeto89RS

Try doing a search on the gull wing doors. Believe me its a hard job to do right. LOTS of fabrication will be needed, you'd have to make new hinges, add another door release and striker, build a frame for the door.ECT..... try the search and you'll get lots of tasty info about this.

nolanr0413

84'fxrupr you are a real ****in cheapskate, 800 bucks to do the doors like that , that is really cheap.what they hell are you looking for a cob job,800 is really cheap, as a matter of fact that sounds too cheap. show me where you saw it for 800 bucks.

Cruzin Kaz

Man!! Take it easy on the guy..He asked a good question. And he doesn't deserve to be called names, or to be treated rudely. Do what 85SportCoupeto89RS said try a search. Welcome to the boards too by the way. Don't worry most of use here are nicer then Nolan. Nolan...learn some manners!

HamSpiced

84'fxrupr let me interpret what nolanr0413 said...

800 bucks is a great deal considering most of the kits that allow sizzor style door mods to be done ar well over 3grand. one member on here wants to do this mod desperatly and as he stated money isnt an option but why spend so much on it? hes done his research and if you found it for 800 you have an excellet deal there.

Xceleratemaro

i think that would look sweet!!! post a link if you can find it agian

dont be an *** noran

Welcome

84'fxrupr

thanks for the help
sorry nolan i'm 16 and get minimum wage, not an extra 800 for the kit.

I saw it in an ad in the back of Super Chevy, it was listed as Ferrari door kit, ill try and find the name of the company.

I'm new to fixing up cars and thought this would be cool.

thanks again

jared

85SportCoupeto89RS

That is a very good price though.

theSteve

i wonder if said kit will actually work on our cars.... im doubtful, but if it does.. oh baby!

igotslicksNchix

jared i hear ya, being 16 it isn't easy to fix up a thirdgen, especially since they always need to be fixed up lol. Sounds like a bad *** mod! i'm gonna search through my super chevy's now and see if i can find it!

tbfirebird

ask and you shall recive here ya go and alot cheaper than 800 dollars but some fab work needed.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=33642

CamaroRS385hp

If what is pictured on that ebay auction is the same as what they're selling for $800 in the mag...then I think it's a rip-off. At first I was thinking "gull wing doors? That'd be a couple grand at least", but if all you need to make the convert is those couple pieces, you could do it for under $400 i'd think. A machine shop should be able to make those pieces fairly quickly, and the raw metal wouldn't cost that much to begin with. The only thing is, you'd need a template. What I'd do if I was gonna convert to gull wing, is find somebody else who wanted to go in together on a set. Split the cost of that, take the pieces to a machine shop and get 'em to match it, and each of yall take a set. just my $.02

billsfirebird

iTrader: (1)

That kit allows the doors to go straight up. I may be wrong but our doors were obviously made to go staight out. In order for our doors to do the "lamborghini" lift it would have to first swing out a bit to clear the jambs, then swing upwards. Then again you would have some clearance issues with the front of the door.

You would most likely need a hydrolic lift arm to take weight off of the hinge too. Our doors are stinkin' heavy!!!

I think the evoluzion (or whatever) door hing kit would be the best. It was designed for our doors to begin with. Alot of these others are for imports.

Just my .02

anubiscougar

i agree w/ whoever said that our doors won't open up straight up..

i have an 88 trans am, and even before i got the car, i wanted to do this to it.. but i've also thought of doing mclaren style doors... you know, swing up and out.. it's pimp.. but in a parking lot, could be iffy..

i don't care tho.. i'm going to put mass amounts of money and time into my car.. once i pay off 50 more bucks, nextpaycheck, in two weeks.. i'm getting a ram air hood and high flow air filter for it.

i also want to get diff kind of fenders, cuz i just don't like how boxy the car is, it's beautiful now, and i love it, but i'd love it more w/ a look like the camaro has w/ the z-28 turbo kit...

if that'd fit my car, tell me..

and if anyone learns how to do the straight up door things for our cars.. tell me, rofl.

bryanboy@cfl.rr.com

btw... the guy who posted this... i'm 17.. so.. you are in just as much financial diff as i am.

anubiscougar

ok, I GOT IT!..

ok.. you know how our hatchback, like.. once you close it, it brings it down electronically? well.. have that do with the door... you unlock, and eeeeerrrrrrr, it pushes the door out enough to where you can then swing the door open vertically. thus relieveing the need to cut anything, or have any other type of swinging action.

Also, along with this, you would need to worry about weight.. i've been told these doors are around 100 lbs each.. you'd need a gas strut or two to support the weight of the door.

everyone is right in saying this is MASSIVE MASSIVE fabrication.. but i know two metal guys, one cuts/welds, the other welds.... one i can get welding done for free, the other, cut me some stuff pretty cheap prolly..

NOW!...

chances are, wher eyou put the hing.. due to the weight, you'd have to reinforce the chasis... espically if you want to do it mclaren style, like i want to do. simple... you put extra metal there, and then weld onto that metal. that has been welded onto the chasis. kinda like backing up a wall or floor in a house.. just making sure it can handle the weight of ie bathtub/shower.

get it?


i'm figuring you could draw up some plans, work it out with looking at the car, and all that. i might look at it tomorrow. after a baseball game i have to do for church, and before i go skating. :-)

if i come up w/ plans, i'll post them on here., but so far, that's what i've come up with... just one main HEAVY BOOTY DOOTY HING, and a strut. and a motor, that pushes out the door... you'd only need it to push out the hing area tho... so your gonna need the hing to have a bit of leway(not with the one i want to do)... so that the door can move in and out that way.

Then, you open door, the rest pops out into place, and you lift.

:-)


i hope someone can try this, so we can all know if it works.

i would, but i think my father would go postal on me. but hey.. my hing needs replacing anyways, rofl. :-D


btw...hing = hinge, rofl. or is that still the incorrect spelling?

CamaroRS385hp

i think it could be done w/o too much difficulty, but making it not look like *** could be hard. i mean, when the door's up, you don't want any of the hinges to be showing. like on our hatches with the struts.....the door would look crappy with two gas struts on it. if somebody's gonna do it, they should look into what kinda mechanism the mclaren doors use....i'm sure the mclaren tech's can come up with way better designs than we can

anubiscougar

the problem is..

mclaren isn't t-top, and if your like me, you've got a t-top, you can't have two mounts, top, and front.... you can only have front... and with the stuff not showing... that's gonna be darn hard... i think it'd be easyer just to make it look good mechanically.. i mean... showing a few guts is gonna happen w/ any vehicle... but.. making the guts look good and CLEAN CUT is the main thing...


but either way... it'll be a pain in the booty to enginneer fully and construct fully... the hinges alone that can handle that, that look good... ya know? then again.... helo ace hardware & home depot....lowes, you suck.


however.. if you aren't a t-top, oh happy days, oh happy days.

pat12spe

I've done some extensive research on this topic and IMO it would be a heck of a lot of work and money just to look decent. Lambo, gull wing, scissor doors, whatever you want to call them is going to be a pain in the ***. You would need heavy duty struts to lift up our doors because it doesn't depend just on the weight of the door, but also the length. Our doors are both long and heavy which means it would have to be pretty powerful to lift it. Also, since our doors don't have an edge that runs on top of the window, those windows could break easily if it catches wrong. Those kits are perfect for foreign cars or light cars, but for ours?? You'd have to get it custom made. I would admit though, it would look bangin on our cars if someone can pull it off. I bought a cd that tells you how to do it yourself for roughly 400 altogether, so if anyone wants I can email or instant message the file to you. There's also a couple things that tell you how to make your own turbo and the reverse flip style hood as well. Send me a PM or an instant message if you want the files guys.

pat12spe

Ok guys, I didn't realize the files were so big. I can't send them through hotmail so I can only do it through instant messenger. Sorry bout that.

D M N

could you get fiberglass doors or make them?? that would cut some of the weight down also the center of gravity plays a big part

anubiscougar

i'd love to fabricate some carbon fibre doors....

i talked w/ my dad about this project, he had no real objections, just told me, tons of money and time... and hard work... i told him, i know...

and.. i've got an idea for it... i think it'll work...

i'm not going to share it yet.. but.. i might soon.... it's pretty simple quite honestly.

anubiscougar

OMFGOSH< NO WAY!!!!!!!!

I GOT IT FIGURED OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!

GG WOOD GG GG GG!!!!!


GG = good game.


omgosh... i'm stoked right now.


Yes yes... it still has it's kinks to work out... but it works.

THIS MODIFICATION CAN BE DONE!!!

but... i'm talking about Mclaren Style doors... not pure gull doors, or lambo style doors... sry... lol.


they swing out a bit, then up...looks cool w/ the wood. :-)

i might finish up with this project, tomorrow after work i'll probably look at my door, take one off and see just how heavy of a strutt i really do need to lift this bad boy... also run by a metal fabricator shop, and ask this guy about fabricating the parts... he did some custom work for my dad's 2500HD 2002 Chevy truck... which r0x btw.. lift kit & all, but.. ya.. i'll run by there and see about getting this stuff done this week hopefully...nm, not tomorrow or the next day, gotta be friday or next week.. i'm busy this week. :-/


BUT!!!! i got it figured out.. MOST of the way.. how the hinges will work atleast.. one thing though.. the hinges are going to have to be monster hinges, OR like DMN said.. fiberglass doors... which i heard you can get fiberglass panels..

this is a very doable modification.. just time & money. mainly time i think... duno yet tho.

Dirty Rob

Keep in mind, on a daily driver, gull wing doors and the like are a major pain in the ***. The coolness of them does not make up for the fact that the wind will blow them down on your leg, and youll bump your head into it 3/4 of the times you get out of the car.

anubiscougar

rofl, true...

but ohwel... i leave my keys in my car enough(doesn't beep, :-/ )... maybe i'll hit my head alot too, make it a pair..

but.... it's not happening yet... so... i've still got some time to think about doing it or not.. i could just drop the project.. but i don't want to.

good point tho. thx.

Boosted GTA

This is very true. Doing something like this properly is a huge, expensive, and possibly dangerous task if not done right.

A DeLorean's gull wing doors actually aren't controlled by those lil gas struts you see; there is a spring loaded tortion bar that does most of the work. Those tortion bars hold alot of energy when closed, and that's how the doors open rather easily considering their massive size and weight.

The gas struts aide in keeping the doors in the upright position, but actually go bad often, causing the saggy door syndrome. (Watch Back to the Future: the driver's door constantly sags because:
1. The struts are affected by temperature change i.e. cold temps
2. The tortion bar has the wrong amount of load
3. a combination of both
4. the gas strut is weak and needs replacement)

Now a DeLorean's door requires only 14" of clearance to the sides to open the door fully, but when open, the doors sit at a height of 77.2" at the tallest point, making the car very hard to park in alot of garages due to clearance issues.

Taking in mind that these doors take years of design testing and fitting to have gotten good enough to be mass produced, they still need alot of adjustments, maintenance which requires special tools to adjust the tortion bars, etc. To do this kind of project at home properly and to have a safe vehicle afterwards, you are seriously looking at a hefty amount of $$$$$.

Unfortunately it isnt as simple as cutting the door and hinging it.

FOR SCISSOR DOORS

The doors would have to open like normal for about 10" and then swing up and stay in place. This is very popular in the import scene, and if you are serious about doing this, you can probably pick up a set of hinges in one of their catalog's, or go to a custom shop and have a set of hinges custom made.


Mike C.

scauffiel

How large are the files? I could host them on my site and post a link for download...


S.

pat12spe

they're like 1.3mb each i believe. IM me and I can send them to ya.

D M N

HEY that is file sharing and thats is wrong your all going to he11 hahhaahaha j/k

BTW - off the subject has anyone seen that comursial about how file sharing is stealing money from everyone

Ok back to the subject i read the slideshow about the doors it helped a lot solved some question for me thanks man

84'fxrupr

Hey guys
didn't know this post was still going\
Just got back into town and read e-mail...
anyways i had major engine troubles so my money has shifted away from this project.
Post that site with the downloads if you can, have you thought about sharing on Kazaa?
n e ways thanks for the ideas guys
Jared