RaMaiRGoD69

ATTENTENTION!!!!! WHat do you think is the best sub for SPL?
I will tell you about a subwoofer that will blow your mind and cave your roof in......

crazy3rdgen

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best sub for spl= the W7 JL or Any L5 or L7's by kicker if you think you have ***** go ahead and buy a solo X -10,000 watts rms.. i bet you wouldnt dare

onebadwagon

you are a dork, crazy. The JL is by NO means an SPL sub.


adam

Jim85IROC

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There are plenty of subs out there that are designed for high SPL at the expense of sound quality. The ReAudio MT series of subs come to mind, but there are plenty of others.

fireturd350

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Yeah RE Audio MTs are suppose to be nice, only downside I see is no warranty.

Main way I look at it is you have 3 different category of makers:

1) Low budget - road gear stuff... sony etc
2) budget - Kicker, MTX, JL, etc
3) Unknown makers - DD, RE, Adire Audio... etc

I'm waiting to see what the new RE SPL sub is like... here's some pics for you guys to drool over suppose to be out later this year or early next.







Compared to a XXX. I heard mounting depth is around 23"s but thats just word of mouth.

Directly from RE:
"It has approx 45mm of Xmax and 4+" p-p of mechanical excursion. Power handling is yet to be determined, but it in initial testing it is "quite a bit more" than the XXX (in a Bentley type manner). Similar motor strength to the MT, but in a XBL^2 topology. It just does about everything our topline subs do... just at the next level of performance.
More testing and we still are getting parts tooled for the larger sizes. They will be ready at the end of the year (12", 15", and 18") . We will release more info soon... as well as some info about a 12" that pushes far beyond these "

crazy3rdgen

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you are a dork, crazy. The JL is by NO means an SPL sub.


adam

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have you ever heard a w7 first of all, cause if you just said what i think you said.. i kno you havent

onebadwagon

yeah, actually I have. I have heard more of them than I can count. They are geared HEAVILY towards the sound quality crowd.

I've seen more impressive output for SPL use of the W6 than i have the w7, but niether are very good bang for the buck in this category.

are you familiar with the term SPL?


adam

crazy3rdgen

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SOUND PRESSURE LEVEL ARE YOU KIDDING ME:nono: ur just lucky you didnt talk **** on kicker

crazy3rdgen

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me and my boy did this install in his neon.. kicker=great subs for spl.. oh and we both want to see your system btw

onebadwagon

yeah, kicker is Okay, but generally sounds pretty horrible, although they are pretty good for volume.

I ride a motorcycle now. Not much room for a system.

adam

crazy3rdgen

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first i say Jl and then your like they base it on just quality then i go kicker for spl then you say yeah their good but sound horrible??? what in the hell... how come your on this board then if you have a motorcycle? j/w

onebadwagon

i've been here for quite a while, and i have an '85 T/A.


yes, the JL is a good all around sub, but is geared towards sound quality more than overall SPL.

Yes, the kickers can be loud, but musically, they certainly wouldn't be my choice, what 's so hard to believe about that?


adam

crazy3rdgen

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well i dont mean to get in arguments cause its all opinions.. i only had like 3 systems so i couldnt say much about subs except the ones i have owned... kicker is the best i have ran into so far.... depends on the box also .. im sure you kno that

davidb

spl = sony poot level

Jim85IROC

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Volfenhag owns all this crap. JL, Kicker, they can't hold a candle to my Volfs.

Anyway... although the JL W7 isn't intended as an SPL sub, it still has the ability to get very loud. It's got a lot of cone area, and a lot of x-max. It may not beat an all-out SPL oriented sub, but it can get close, and it can sound a TON better doing it. Ditto for the Brahma, The RE XXX, and the IDMAX. These are subs that are designed for sound quality, but will still out pound most subs at or below their price point.

Subs that are made only for SPL typically sound absolutely horrible and have little or no ability to perform under normal conditions. They are made to be burped at a certain frequency, and not much else. They aren't the subs you want unless you're doing nothing but SPL competitions. They won't slam as hard to normal music as most conventional subs.

br()bert

brahma, re, dd

87irocz350

My Kove Armageddons with Take your breath away..really, they will.

305RSlc

Hey Jim, I just checked out the Voflenhag subs on woofersetc.com and they are freaken cheap. How would you compare the Volfs to the RE or Brahma series subs? I'm just asking because I was initially going to go with a Brahma 12' when I build my system, but if I can save $250 per sub, then that would be more I could put into the high end of it. Are they more of a SQ or SPL sub, or do they have a nice balance of both? These are the ones I was looking at.

http://www.woofersetc.com/product.as...7&1=489&3=2860

crazy3rdgen

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volfenhag is shi t! i can't believe he categorized kicker in the same group as volfenhag. frigin bull sh it

onebadwagon

I think it's time for a fresh set of batteries in your Sarcasm Detector.


Volfenhags do suck *****, and jim is VERY aware of that.

1986CamaroSC

gte some 18" cerwin vega strokers,

crazy3rdgen

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whatever

305RSlc

Ah, I think I missed the sarcasm that was apparently there in the quote about Volfs owning JL and kicker and such. Ah well, I was hopeful that good quality subs could be had for such a decent price....guess not.

batman40oz

if you really want spl you would go with Directed Comp X subs. they are one of the best subs we carry at my store. i've installed a lot of them in Lansing, MI and they are in high demand over here. they are probably just a step under the JL W7's for half the price damn near. for SQ, you might want to go with Directed Studio's they are also damn good for the price. the Comp X's handle about 800w RMS...in a Mercedes ML 320 (i think) we put in 3 Directed Comp X's pushed by 6 JVC Mickey Sixx amps (either Mickey or Nickey...not firmiliar with JVC amps). we had one amp to each voice coil pushing about 900w to each sub. we took it to another store (because it was quite the custom install) to put a meter on it and it hit 159.3db.

3 Directed Comp X 12"s
6 JVC Mickey Sixx amps
1 Matrix processor
Pioneer Avic-N1 head unit
3 Optima batteries (one red top in front...2 yellow tops in back)
all monster cable wiring, including (of course) 0awg
with an isolator in back

it was pretty crazy, i'll try and get some pics from my store. later

Jim85IROC

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Good quality subs can be had for a decent price. Top-notch suberb-quality subs can't be had for almost nothing. That's the distinction that people fail to make.

You're not going to get a show stopping sub for $50. You can, however, get some very good subs in the $150 range. The problem is that people's perceptions of what's "good" these days are very distorted.

$150 goes a lot farther than it used to, but because it doesn't get you a chrome plated cast basket with a 200lb magnet and 6" of excursion, people don't think that it's going to get loud, so instead they go buy some piece of junk for the same amount of money just because it's got a giant chrome magnet and a big fat surround.

The fact is, that in 95% of all installations, a good quality no-frills, well built sub like the Adire Shiva will outperform some super sloppy, high excursion piece of crap like anything from Audiobahn. Sure, the audiobahn might have more excursion (not likely), but it's got less cone area, is massively inefficient, and isn't intelligently designed. Audiobahn's bean counters realized early on that chrome costs less than talented engineers, and results in just as much sales volume.

But... if you compare now to just 5 or 8 years ago, it's easy to see that if you shop around, you can get a LOT for your money. When I first started selling car audio back in 96, I had a massive hard-on for Kicker Comp 12" subs. They sold for $150/each at the time. The current Comp VR subs are virtually the exact same sub, and can be found almost anywhere for $69. Now adays, $150 gets you a sub that's far better than $150 got you 5 years ago.

87irocz350

I have a Directed Studio set up. And I must say..I am a Directed buyer for life..the subs were a good value, and they put out some really clean bass..and pound like crazy.