KEVIN G.

I think some of you know my dilemma... My car audio woes are getting me bent outta shape.
I am goin' with a new sub.(O.K.'d by the wife of course)
My ebay Pioneer 12 didn't pan out. I have a few suggestions and would like input.
First and foremost, My local audio shop is having a closeout on JL wo's, eighty bucks ea. for 12's...Not sure if he's got 10's...but at eighty I can only swing one.
second would be a pair of these
My third is... I have a guy that has an in road to wholesale... A little lower end y'know, Lanzar... Alphasonic...Digital Audio...Some Audiobahn... Pricing is Rock Bottom. Could probably get a pair of 12/maybe even DVC's for the price of one at list price.
Preference is hard rock/metal...I'm really leanin' toward two 10's because of this... More smack, y'know??
all opinions welcome... remember my budget, though
Kevin

spartyon

of those three choices you would be ten times happier with the jl 10 12" sub.

KEVIN G.

I recognize that Jl makes some excellent choices, but, side by side with the specs, the PE Quatro, while not name brand or flashy compared to most these days, is pretty impressive. (and beginning somewhat of a stir in it's own right.)I do own one of their home audio products, and am damn right pleased at the performance.
The budget is also a factor too. If I could get two lesser subs for the price of one at list....

ryanL04

jl audio subs are going to be your best buy. if your going for the entry level jl audio, try to swing the new W1. all it is is a replacement or upgraded for the W0

the alphasonic stuff, if its the brand new amplifier, then ive listened to those. the brand new alphasonic amp is pretty damn amazing with its output, BUT it lacks clarity wise. but if you can get one for cheap, then definately go for it. its the newest model amplifier they just came out with though so i dont assume thats the alphasonic stuff he has.

KEVIN G.

That's why my local dealer is having the closeout on his Wo's.
Don't get me wrong, I think JL is a great sub...But my budget is lacking, and as I said before, I can only afford 1-12inch.

spartyon

you asked us for our opinions on those three choices but you just shot down two of us who said the jl. why even bother. the jl will sound better than the other two choices and that is what you originally asked. if you are dead set against the jl's then dont ask and by what YOU want.

sesand

I think this all depends....

What are the specs of the amp you are planning to use (RMS, minimum impedance load, etc.)?

Do you plan on buying/building another box if you go with the 2 10's?

All else aside, I would recommend saving money and going with a better 12" like the 12W3v2 or the Adire Audio Shiva. I have a 12W3v2 and it sounds great, but I'm not sure if your amp has enough juice to run it at 300 watts rms. My buddy has two 10W0's and I think they might be slightly louder than my single 12, but not nearly as deep and I don't think the SQ is the same. Of course, the loudness will surpass his once I can sound deaden my trunk as much as he has.
It's important for you to realize that if you buy something that is higher end, you can ADD to it later down the road when you decide you want more bass, rather than REPLACING it altogether. Your system will only sound as good as its weakest link, whether that be the head unit, the amplifier, or the speakers. It's worth the investment to buy components that are a little better.... In other words, do it right the first time. Don't hope you will get a good deal on lower quality parts and expect it to sound awesome. It's really hard to spend less that $1000 on a good sound system once you consider all the parts, but it sure beats the snot out of the "premium sound" you will get from the dealership for the same price. Don't buy the first sub you can afford just because you are itching to put in something that is a little better than the Pioneer... Save your money!

With all that said, you will definitely get better bass drum kick with two tens over one twelve, but the deep bass will be better with a single 12, considering the subs are of similar quality.

KEVIN G.

As I said, Don't get me wrong... My buddy is a JL fanatic, and understandibly so...They have a great sound. I worry that this will be my last purchase, as my wife and daughters come before all else, I want to get the best bang for my buck. My significant other does not understand "upgraditis" so it is difficult to justify a grand on something I drive on weekends.
I really should listen to that one, as it is what I have been preaching over in the Body and Interiors column.
I DO value you guys' opinions. I have been doing my own equipment for years, albeit old school stuff, (as well as home stuff), and I over think it to death every time. I just meant that side by side on paper, the specs were pretty close, so if I could get them cheaper...

sesand

Does anybody understand upgradeitis?

Top 10 signs you have upgradeitis:

10. Your system just doesn't seem as loud and impressive as it used to because your friend just got new gear and you want your stuff to sound more like his.
9. If you worked during the time you spend looking online for the best deal on car audio equipment, you could easily afford whatever you wanted.
8. Your system is still 40x better than most people's, and can make your ears hurt if you listen to it at 70% for less than 5 minutes. But it could be better.
7. Your girlfriend is tired of hearing the same song over and over and over again because there is one bass line where your system sounds louder and better than any other song....
6. You hate such and such band, but listen to their songs in your car because the recording quality is amazing.
5. Your friends ask you to turn down the stereo because they forgot their earplugs.
4. You get that new piece of equipment in the mail, thinking that it is the final solution, and then minutes later you're thinking "now all I need is ......."
3. A new product comes out and you're thinking "I wish I had bought that instead."
2. You burn less gas driving than you do sitting in the driveway on the weekend while fiddling with your system to make it "perfect." Where do those weekends go?
1. You just spent $200 (or $500) on sound deadening material, and can justify tearing your entire car apart to apply it solely because it will decrease road noise (at least that is what you tell your significant other).

Jim85IROC

iTrader: (2)

The Quatro and the W0 are two very different subs... so different that they are hard to compare.

The major drawback to the quatro in my opinion is that in most alignments, it has a pretty high rolloff frequency. However, one major benefit to the quatro is that it has very high effeciency (92dB), so even after you take the rolloff into account, you wind up with a sub that's going to work well with modest power levels. If you choose the quatro, I would suggest a .5 cubic foot sealed enclosure, and if your amp has the usual 40hz bass boost **** that most have, dial some of that up to help fill out the bottom end. The combination should work well and I would expect it to be louder than a W0 with the same amp. If the amp doesn't have the 40hz bass boost, I'm not sure how well this sub will fill out at the lowest frequencies.

The W0 can play pretty deep in a sealed enclosure, and has a good sound quality. It's sensitivity is low, so it's not going to get real loud unless you've got some good power behind it. If you choose the W0, I'd suggest a .75 cubic foot enclosure with no bass boost. The W0 will play deeper than the Quatro and won't need any added equalization.

Dan8289gta

Nice job on the "upgradeitis" post

sesand

As you can tell, I definitely have the disease. #1 definitely hits home with me, and I haven't even installed it yet because I don't have the time. Thank goodness I only spent $200 and not 500, but I of course I may change my mind after the install.