spills

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Me and this guy I work with have been going back and forth over which one's better overall. He's got a blown G35 with the AEM, and Im about to fire off my 383, hopefully with the LC1. His argument has always been "you get what you pay for", which I take with a grain of salt. Ive never really believed that anyway, but what type of WB O2 systems are yall using? I just need the basic controller ans Bosch sensor, Im using Megasquirt right now to display my AFR until I can afford some new gauges. I know on Innovate's website they list like 10 or so mag articles that they've been featured in from CHP to Sport Compact, but Ive also heard that the LC1 can be a little touchy as far as how it likes it's wiring and such (more sensitive to semi-bad grounds and such than the AEM).

One plus I did notice is that the LC1 is able to read voltages in smaller increments (if I was reading it correctly), essentially meaning that the AEM would max out in either the rich or lean values before the LC1 would. This tells me that the LC1 could potentially be "more accurate" than the AEM. Any input on either of these, any experiences?

calebzman

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I have been using the LC-1 with the XD-16 digital gauge for over a year. It has been very helpful with tuning the car and I would definately buy it again.

luvofjah

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I know that LC1 probably sells more, but I also see a bunch that have been broken... Plus the calibration you have to do...

I was looking at the PLX AFR... Haven't heard much bad about it...

I was reading over @ code59.org

Raf

Saigon_Bob

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Hey spills Ive seen you around the MS forums. (TheRealNap0le0n)

I got my car started and idling. Now i have a hot start issue lol and if i give it gas it dies...

if you wanna trade info dont hesitate to contact me

spills

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I thought the calibration was for the sensor and not the controller? I could be wrong, Ive read about calibrating the LC-1 but I thought that was for the Bosch sensor itself and any WB Bosch sensor would have to be calibrated.

scorchmaster

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do NOT buy the LC-1. The sensor is messed up on half the units. Mine never read accurately and lead me to a million calibrations and 3 bottles of aspirin. Got a replacement and it still didnt work! AEM is one of the most accurate widebands you can buy for the money.

spills

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well in that case it would be the controller, not the sensor (I would assume). It's my understanding that 90% of all widebands on the market use the same Bosch sensor, they just make their own controller.
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ya know, the more I look at it, I guess the UEGO's controller is built into the gauge itself. It's that's the case, Im gonna look into the compatibility with the megasquirt. The LC-1 sensor and controller alone is $200, without gauge. For $50 more I can get a wideband gauge as well, I might go that route. Hmm...

Saigon_Bob

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The price difference isnt $50.

The AEM i saw was like $350 or so... the LC-1 with a gauge is $280

spills

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ebay's got em for $220 right now

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/AEM-G...spagenameZWDVW

Summit's got the AEM listed on eBay for $260. DIYauto has the LC-1 for $290 with gauge, and the gauge is just digital readout, it doesnt have the sweep. Not that big of a deal, but to me its more asthetically(sp) pleasing to me.

Toehead

wow what a deal.. I think i'm all over that. My megasquirt runs great but it could use some tuning for gas mileage


Did you ever find out if the AEM has an analog output that the megasquirt can use?

spills

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I think that guy I work with says that it does have an analog output. Im gonna look into it though

spills

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ya, just looked at AEM's website:

"User-programmable 0-5v analog output included for use with data loggers and virtually any engine management system"

sounds like we may have a winner!

Toehead

Wow that's snazzy. It looks good too!

spills

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and ya know, I think one of the reasons I didnt want to go with AEM is becuase I really dont hear about domestics with AEM parts, just seems like an import-designed product base. But after reading about it, I may give them a shot. I havent heard any negative reviews about them yet, where as the LC-1 has a few against them. Ill let ya know as soon asI get it installed.

Toehead

One of the NECF members just had his LC-1 die on him randomly . It just stopped working.

kennn

I'm going through the same issue. I hear you, but exhaust is exhaust. What's the difference where it's coming from?

I was set on the LC-1 but I'm having second thoughts from all the bad reviews.

spills

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Theres a local shop that sells the LC-1, and I love giving them my business (and they dont carry the AEM), but I think Im gonna have to pass them up this time.

Anyone have any positive experiences with other O2 systems? luvofjah said something about PLX, never heard of them, any others out there?

Saigon_Bob

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The MS has a setting for the UEGO so i'd suppose it would be an easy set up... kinda wish i'd have seen those deals tho!

I got my LC-1 for $180 plus shippin w/o the gauge

sideways87

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New to this, so does the o2 sensor also have a nb for the computer or do I have to add another bung for this one?

Saigon_Bob

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The lc-1 has a digital out for Innovate products so you can "daisy chain" and has two analog outs that are programable.

IE wideband out and NB out or what ever you want

luvofjah

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plx uses the Bosch 02 sensor...

http://plxdevices.com/

http://www.plxdevices.com/products/sm/afr/

They have this amazing organic display (though I will probably just get the OMeter from Moates)...

On code59, many have both... LC1 sells more, so I see more reports there too of it being broken...

Raf

Toehead

Spills,


Hate to use you as a guinea pig, but did you ever buy the gauge? I'm back from vaca and i'm def eying one.

spills

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no not yet, that project's on hold until I can get my credit card payed down a good bit. But I think I am definitely going with the AEM now. I have yet to see the one my buddy's got, but just from reviews I think it's getting a thumbs up from me.

Saigon_Bob

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Just as aa FYI i've been running mine for a few days (LC-1) with no problems... it was cheap and easy.

Now if it craps out ill try to get it replaced under warranty.. if not im getting a PLX... I wish i had the money/ knowledge about them. The OEL gauges are sexxx

spills

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thats the thing about price though, I always thought the AEM was more expensive until I realized that the gauge itself IS the controller. With that in mind, if you are wanting an AFR gauge as well, then the AEM would be cheaper. I think the LC-1 with the gauge is about $299 IIRC, and the AEM is cheaper than that. If you're just wanting a standalone controller with sensor and don't mind not having a gauge, then the LC-1 would be cheaper overall. I dont want to have to get out my laptop each time I want to see what kind of AFR readings Im getting, so I think Im going with the AEM.

Toehead

Want me to be the guinea pig?

Paypal of course... I don't wanna get screwed!

spills

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you mean for the LC1 or AEM? I havent gotten mine yet, so I guess you'll have to be the guinea pig if you're going AEM

Saigon_Bob

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LC-1 minus the gauge paid $180 + shippin
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plus i dont have anywhere to put a guage right now.

I might get the autometer C2 wideband gauge seeing that I made a custom gauge cluster with all Autometer C2 gauges and i want it to match..


BTW guys i drove my car to work today!!! ran pretty decent for a rough tune and i got a kick *** datalog of city driving AND Highway. so hopefully i can use it to get my cruise VE's down

spills

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ya, and now that you got LC1 in, you can use megatune to to a quick autotune and get you pretty close to where you need to be.

Saigon_Bob

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I am finding right now ( and with research on the ms forums ) that autotune isnt really that great.

I suppose it should work awesome with a decent med tune ( it wont do well on a rough ) to fine tune it.

Right now my VE's are too far off and the autotune can only change within a set parameter. also as of yet if EGO correction is on the car runs shitty cuz its trying to make drastic changes so i am tuning by AFR readout and feel manually as well as running the datalogs thru the VEAnalyzer in MS log viewer.


Word of caution: if you use the log viewer VE Analyzer save the update VE table separate IE export it and make a descriptive name.

If you let MS logviewer just save the new table to the MSQ the VE table will be corrupted and jumbled and un usable.

Toehead

ok, I just bit.

Let's see how it goes

sideways87

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So I can just use the o-5v analog lead for the computer?
Thanks

luvofjah

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Need more input...

Which Computer?

Unless you have modified your cars ecm & possibly repined it to run code59, you can't plug the 5v (wide band O2) to it...

If you're using Tuner Pro with the AutoProm / Breakout Box set for 5v, instead of 1v (narrow band), yes... it can plug in there...

All the Wide band o2's I've seen have a Narrow and wide band output...

Raf

Toehead

Got it, installed it.


Very nice unit. Is actually a pretty sweet looking gauge. It has an auto dimming display with 3 brightness levels.

No problems hoking it up to the megasquirt at all.

It does produce a little radio interference, even when hooked up directly to the battery.

spills

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You got the AEM right?

I've had to put mine on hold. I just had to throw down $2k on a trans for the Monte Carlo (daily driver), so as soon as I get that paid off Im goin back to the Camaro

What kind of interference are you having?

Toehead

mild radio whine you can only hear with the car not running.... whatever, i'm not losing sleep over it.


I would def recommend the gauge tho. Very solid construction, good quality parts, and everything you need.

Did you know these don't need free air calibration? Pretty snazzy.