Grumpy

Yep, just in from the first real test drive with the 60 code. For those just tuning in, it was the 58 Mask but now is labeded 60 so as to identify it as a .bin derived from Source Code.

From closed throttle VE to the boost multiplier, TCC it all seems to be working now.

Still a ways to go to get it GN friendly, but light years closer then even yesterday.

YEHAAAAAAAAA.

SATURN5

Good deal.. Looks like all your time spent decyphering $58 is paying off..

I haven't had much time to mess with the Malibu lately, I did finally manage to clean up the garage a bit.. just need to sort out my tool box and one bench top. Boy was it a complete mess. BW

YenkoZ28

I take it your $60 version of the sy/ty code is changed to work with the dis system on your GN. What other changes have you done to seperate this code from the $58?

funstick

some how i sense things just got a bit more interesting.

Grumpy

Yes.

The 58 code ran in a 16K .bin file, and the 60 is a 32K .bin, so there is lots of room for patches.

The final .asm will include lots of tuning notes.

gta324

Does this mean that the $60 code cant be used on a 350 TPi engine?

/N.

SATURN5

$60 can be adapted to just about anything.. BW

gta324

Exacly what is $60, what is diffrent from $58 besides its 32k?

just read the first line by grumpy

/N.

Grumpy

Nothing other then a huge leap forward for humanity.

c4boom

what would it take to get it to run on a tbi motor with a turbo

Grumpy

Deoends on the amount of boost you want to run, and how familiar you are with turbos, and TBI.

Even with 90 PPH injectors you'd be fuel limited.

Then there's the matter of if you run a fuel pressure regulator referenced to man vac/boost. With enough fuel pressue you can get some decent HP, but it all gets kinda complex.

Patience, and hard work can make alot of things work, but sometimes it takes an incredible amount of both.

c4boom

i was thinking some where in the 8-10 psi rang. i just think it would be cool if i was able to get a bit finer tuning i would pbly still run a FMU and maybe a set of back up injectors

Craig Moates

PLEASE DO NOT ATTEMPT TO DISTRIBUTE THE $60 MATERIAL!

It is a derivative work of the $58 source code, and might be protected under some nonsense similar to that other deal. I'd hate for us to all end up in jail over this.

Seriously, though, good job Bruce!

Also seriously, can someone with at least half a 'nad take that stupid sticky down about the $58 ECU? It's really annoying to have to look at that crap every time I logon here.

anesthes

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Ugg. No kidding..

-- Joe

Grumpy

FMUs as currently used, are often just bandaids to get around the actual calibration not being able to work in S/C or T/C applicaitons. With the proper calibration they're not needed. the more dependent a system is on the mechanical end, the higher the risk of problems. While there can be code problems, a vast majority of something changing while in use is caught thru the checksum routine, so the code probability issue is just about non existant. Whereas there's always the possibility of crude in the fuel, and that can fubar the FMU, and if the FMU is the sole provider of having enough fuel, then a failure on it's part can lead to rather quick engine damage.

If you want to run staged injectors, you might as well just keep the TBI TB, and go with a set of port injectors, and not have to bother with complexity of having two systems.

It's much easier to do things *right* the first time, rather then have to cobble as you go. BTDT

Grumpy

Makes me laugh.
Constant reminder of the book, *The Games People Play*.

c4boom

so your saying the tbi unit with the out the injectors can be used as a tb like in the tpi setup and then weld in a set of port injector bungs inthe intake. then run a set of injectors into the intake ports

hatebur2001

Is the code available for educational review? By that I mean not a complete bin, but enough code for better understanding the layout and functions.
Thanks
Mike

funstick

Micheal backus is still claiming ownership of the actuall code ???? i fial to understand this logic ??? who did he buy it from. Also where the info on this Prik. short on patience and i got some spare time comming to me soon.

onebinky

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If you get really bored, here's 32 "micheal backus'" for you to contact

Might even get a trip to alaska, that's where a few of them are located.

http://www.whowhere.com/results.asp?...l%20+backus%22

hatebur2001

Unless someone is attempting financial gain from the code, there is no real damages to recover. I am guessing that the "original" work was derived from GM coding, therefore I cannot understand how an individual can proclaim ownership. This sounds like SCO Unix claiming it owns the rights to all of Unix. His brother must be a lawyer, since there is no money to found in a lawsuit.
It is a shame, but these things do happen. I would have loved to see the work done to the code, but one can't have everything.

novass

iTrader: (1)

What is the actual deal with the $60 code. Is it possible to get a copy of it and the hack? (was craig just joking around or now is the $60 off limits?)

Craig Moates

I want to ensure that everyone knows my sarcasm is second only to my brilliance.

Grumpy

Doc's in a meeting right now, where there is some heated debate right now. The only topic on the agenda was that very issue, but they maybe arguing about if Sleepy actually has to be awake for the meeting, to be able to vote afterwards, if there is a resolution.

novass

iTrader: (1)

Ok, I the $60 Code and Hack avaliable? Is it possible to get a copy? Is it hosted somewhere or directly from you, or has Doc stolen it and held it for ransom?

Thanks

TechSmurf

Ditto!

I'm not sure why Grumpy didn't even respond to my PM.. perhaps there's some surprise lurking over the horizon?

3.8TransAM

I'll make it simple, Grumpy hates PM's :-) He hardly answers mine and Im out there on a halfway regular basis.

hit him on email and use somehting pertinent in the subject and Im pretty sure you will get an answer :-)

later
Jeremy

JP84Z430HP

I never knew this! He has responded to me before, so I suppose I shoud feel fortunate! Or maybe Doc was the one that actually responded???

novass

iTrader: (1)

I am about to do the $60/$58 conversion. Question, can you use tunerpro to edit the $60 Code or do you have to do it in assembly? How about tunercat $60 file?

Those that are using the $60 what are you using to edit the bin.

How about datalogging?

3.8TransAM

Get the 60 and check it out :-)

No need for a editor per se, but to use one of the conventional editors you wouldn need to make your own file for it .

Neat setup.

later
Jeremy

89 Iroc Z

Excuse my ignorance but who is doc?

Grumpy

The intent of the 60 is for people to help develope a true *hotroders* code, but to date no one's seemed interested in participating.

It's assembly code, so no editors are needed, thou I have a .tdf file for it, unless someone's going to actually do something, then they might as well just use the stock 58 code.

The ALDL is untouched, so any normal scanner works with it.

Grumpy

You don't know who Doc is?.
Actually now there's two, there is someone subscribed to the list using that name, but the real Doc has been around for eons.

novass

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I am on the verge of starting on the $60 or $58 code, I haven't yet made the switch, because I am for some odd reason only able to datalog with craig moates software, I can't get any others to work. So I don't want to do the switch till I am able to datalog the $60 or $58. I need to find a software package that will work of me. So far with the $8d only craigs will connect. (However, I don't think that this will work with the $60 or $58)What suggestions for the $58/$60 dataloging, other than tunerpro and datamaster, are available?

What do you mean unless someone's going to actually do something ? You sent me the $60 and I was planning on using it, a .tdf would be helpful. I am still only sort of comfortable editing info using the hex editor in tunercat of tunerpro. Full blown assembly, I am still working on.

Thanks
Tom

va454ss

iTrader: (1)

Edelbrock's done it for you:

http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/mpfi_sb.html

http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/...i_callouts.gif

Grumpy,

Could one use the TBI (with GM injectors in stock location) on the Edel MPFI manifold and use the Edel injectors as supplemental fuel (as in a boosted app)?

Grumpy

Could?, sure, but what's the point?. Just use the right injectors, and be done with it. Simplicity is the key to design.

anesthes

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I'm 90% sure the rev limiter code is broke on a v8. Not sure why yet. If I figure it out, i'll submit a patch t you.



-- Joe

JPrevost

Progressive nitrous . Or maybe 9th and 10th injectors to kool down the IATs.

Grumpy

Just as a FWIW, the cooling of gases, primarily takes place at the point of expansion. If your into just dropping MATs, then alky would probably do a better job without all the gymfoolery. But, if you want the HP of nitrous, that's another matter.

JP86SS

iTrader: (1)

Can the 60 do N/A or is it strictly for boosted apps?
I want to go boosted in the future but am stuck breathing atmosphere currently (due to the cost of air pressure).
It would be great to start with something to run N/A and then convert the tables up to boosted levels in the future.
With all the extra space available for adding code, mods could all be in place when the changeover to boost is done.
Wiring would all be converted and then multiple harness adaption to switch back and forth could be eliminated.
I'm hopeful.

SATURN5

In short... yes.

There is a flag in the bin to allow either 1 bar or 2 bar MAP. Set the bin for 1 bar and hook up a 1 bar MAP and go.

JP86SS

iTrader: (1)

Sweet!, I'm game.
Just as I'm grasping at the $8D code finally, something better comes along to really play with.
:hail: :hail:Hail Grumpy (and all the little fellas too!) :hail: :hail:
Is it posted somewhere?
I'm assuming I'll need to repin for the 58 setup or will the 730 I/O work with it?
I'm up for what ever it needs, got all winter.
Polish, port match, new heads, headers, WB, OOooooH-eeee!

SATURN5

wire your 730 as a Syphoon and your good to go

gmartin

Could someone help me with this $60 vs $58 code. I'm sorry I a newbie to all of this I just went out and got a 730 from the junk yard how ever the chip isn't stock it is a hypertech C 91. I would like to run a turbo on my application and have it all intercooled by a superduty intercooler.

JPrevost

Grumpy, I'd like to help with the code. Let me know what you might want help with and I'll do my best.
I also need to fix your version of Lockers HUD .