DarrensCamaro

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Ok I have been told that you can do this, but can you really? If so has anyone done this to there car with a manual trans? I live in Michigan so it gets cold quick way before the snow starts to fall so I was thinking if this was a possibility then I would like to add it to my car. So if anyone has done this or know if its possible and know how to do it, please share the wealth of information because I am really interested....

HCR13

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It depends what kit you have. I installed it on mine (auto trans) and it does come quite in handy with the winters. Try doing a search on remote starters here...

kennn

Yes and no. It depends on the kit.

Some kit uses no gear sensor and relies on the stock auto inhibitor switch to prevent starter turnover when not in P or N.

Other kit uses some sort of sensor to make sure that the gear is engaged, the parking brake is engaged, or some other way to make sure that the car won't move.

If your kit has a check sensor, you can bypass the sensor if necessary.

What kit do you have in mind? I am 99% sure I can help you with the wiring if the kit comes with instructions.

DarrensCamaro

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Yea I am not sure what I am looking for, I have just seen it done on a few cars and when I asked about it he said theres ways you can bypass it to make it work on a manual trans. Should I just go out and buy one and then try to wire it myself? what does that all entail?

luvofjah

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You can make it work... There is a sensor for the clutch that needs to be bypassed... having it rely on the Ebrake is a great idea... I've seen videos of a Lamborghini Countach remote start and crash into another expensive car at a show and a Mustang Cobra 500 KR take off through the garage and into a house... Some sort of fail safe would be great...

Any other ideas, let me know, I'm in the same boat.
I'm building a Knight Rider replica, staring by remote, cool... Chasing Kitt down the road with no driver... not so cool, but funny

Raf

James76

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I install remote starts for a living. I can honestly say i dont reccomend installing in a manual trans car, but if you like to live dangerously it can be done. Buy a starter designed for a manual trans that has a sequence to go through when turning the car off. Basically you have to put it in neutral, set the ebrake and cycle the ignition in that order and then and only then will the unit activate. Failure to hookup these safeties could result in injury or property damage. As mentioned you must simulate the clutch being pressed, but i am not sure as to how it is done on the third gens. Hope that helps a little. -James

DarrensCamaro

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Have you ever installed one on a manual trans? I know that you must leave the car in neutral, I just did not know if wiring it to the parking brake was going to bypass enough so that it would work. Its going to be interesting cause I am going to try it, any specific remote starter system you'd recomend?

HCR13

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I went with a Directed Electronics unit (BOA) they make the Viper Alarms and are a reputable company. I'd check into that...

86White_T/A305

I too install alarms and remote starters for a living.Ive done many standard cars....mind you only using proper remote starters for standard vehicles.Could you use one that is for auto in standard car..yes..easily..but I enjoy having my license in this field and not being held responsible for any accidents.

I use mostly Autopage/Code Alarm on manual cars since most of their remoter starter do auto and stick cars out of the box and have been decent units for me,aside from that I use Viper for all my alarms and most starters aswell.Now they are coming out with some impressive remote starters the do both trans.. with some slick looking remotes that customer/owners shouldnt be wearing out in 2 months of pressing buttons everyday lol.

As far as doing it yourself...Ill say this.If you have ANY doubts of not being able to wire it correctly.Please dont do it.Not worth the risk of anything going wrong..especially with remote start on a standard car.

I program them so that the customer always has to do the sequence to activate remote start and will not by any means change those settings,if you change it on me and come back with a problem you just voided my warranty hands down and paying per hr of labor lol.

Safety first is my rule,only 25 yrs old and Ive seen some hacked up remote starters in cars and you think to yourself..this should have caught fire or cranked its way in gear down the street since parking brake doesnt work either.

Sorry for the log post but have a proper well reputable shop do it for you for the ease of mind.My car is auto..I cant tell ya how many times i accidentally remoted my car with the remote in my pocket leaning up on things.I since then programmed the remote to be pushed 3 times before starting the car.problem solved

James76

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I agree with everything stated above, i dont install them in manual cars for liability reasons, and the fact we use audiovox/prestige units which arent capable of having the proper safety circuits or programming.

I also agree on seeing some hacked up installs come through our shop, mostly from the big retail chains like best buy and such. Spend the money and have a professional do it, or at least make sure you know how to do basic installs safely. If you are unsure about a shop, ask about the warranty on labor, and ask to speak to a few previous customers, word of mouth is your best bet.

drknow90rs_ss@y

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I make all of my customers with manual transmissions sign a "Release of liability against damage/injury/death" It can be done and I reccommend if you are going to do it, have a professional shop do it. Make sure it will not start unless the parking brake is engaged and make sure your parking brake is properly adjusted. I use and reccommend D.E.I. products (Viper/python/hornet/boa) As I feel they are the best. Many shops will not do remote start on a man. trans car, so you might have to search to get it done. Good luck!

yeah low

Here, Here... I was once an MECP professional myself. I must concur with this man. This is asking for an accident.
However on the upside, I heard of ONE REMOTE START that had some sort of solenoid that had to be installed under dash, and held the clutch pedal until you came out and did a MANUAL resart... (I think)
Anyways, I believe this kit was discont'd because of hydraulic clutches being ever present and the master or slave cylinder leaking down while car is in gear. Could you imagine a open loop high idle and then the master cylinder losing pressure with the trans in FIRST GEAR?

OMG.

Scott AKA YL

DarrensCamaro

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I for one understand the risk as well as the next guy. But the fact is it can be done and its perfectly safe as long as the precautions are taken. I owned a manual car that had one installed (by the previous owner). My problem is I installed them on automatic cars all the time, they are easy no problem. I have never installed one on a manual and just have no idea how to bypass what I need to bypass and how to "program" a saftey sequence. Also there are no shops around me (that I have found so far, I am still looking) that will install it on a manual trans. Hence the reason I was going to try to do it myself. Any of you professionals around MI and would like to make some extra cash??

James76

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i am in southwest ohio, but thats still a bit of a drive to the border. What i meant by safety procedures, was the procedures you must perform to arm the remote start. Skytek i think has such procedures built in on their manual trans units. Its not something you program, its just the steps they require you to do before it will activate. I believe the12volt.com has diagrams on the different clutch bypass solutions. Simply you need to make the car see the neutral safety switch, the clutch signal, and the e-brake all before it can start.

89RsPower!

if it's easy for you to do one on an auto car it should be just as easy to do on manual tranny car.. all you really need to know is that the clutch saftey switch is located on the pedal assembly with 2 wires going into it green w/white tracer and purple IIRC.. They are the same exact wires that go to the neutral saftey switch on an auto car.. since you've done them before that should make it pretty easy. The parking brake has a simimilar switch located on the parking brake assembly under the center console.. as far as programming the sequence thats where you read the instructions that come with the unit.

DarrensCamaro

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Alright cool, I'll be looking into both of those. I think thats what I'll do, go buy a good remote started and wire it myself. Or attempt too lol. I'll also check that website of the12volt.com to check out some wiring diagrams. Thanks guys I'll let you know how it goes!

kennn

Question: are you carbureted? if so how do you set your choke?

DarrensCamaro

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No my car is fuel injected, I dont know how you would do it on a carbureted car.,

James76

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thats even more scary than doing it on a manual trans car

I saw a guy hook up a very large solenoid to the throttle to pump the gas. Had a timed pulse output for like rolling windows up and down, and used that to power the solenoid via a relay. Now that is scary.

Petes 84Z28

Any of the installs I have done on a manual trans vehicle requires the driver to engage the park brake, press a button on the remote to activate the 'brain box', turn off and remove the ignition key (the engine continues to run), open the door and exit the vehicle (this ensures that the vehicle is NOT accidentally left in gear), then close the door and press a second button on the remote to shut the engine off. The remote start remains active unless the hood or a door is opened, then the shutdown procedure must be repeated. This is to avoid starting the vehicle in case someone enters and (not knowingly) puts the transmission in gear.
If you need to open the door and still have the vehicle ready to remote start, you'll need to remote start it, open and close the door while it is running, then shut it off again.
The electrical connection to the starter wire is made after the neutral safety switch, in the purple wire. The hood pin switch, door pin switch, brake light switch at the pedal, and the park brake indicator switch are all triggers.

C.M.Jones

^yeah I heard about those remote starts. they sound like WAY more effort
than it's worth. I live in colorado where one afternoon its 60 degrees out and the next morning theres 6 inches of snow on my car, how would you know to do all that? I'd still have to go out and turn on my defrost!!!! LOL, but guess thats why I don't have remote start

86White_T/A305

Remote starting a carbed car isnt that hard either.No reason to fear it..fear the installer thats afraid to do it!Ive done it many times but you just have to take a good look at how well the carb is tuned and how much of a pump it would require for a cold start.I dont use a timed output though.I will either use a trunk release button or door lock.An actuator and pulse it once or twice depending on the carb and then remote start it as normal. You can try using a pulse before start but only thing with that is what if you have already ran the car moments earlier and dont need an extra shot of gas to start a hot motor Im speaking from experience as my carb 305 was easily remote started.

Took me 4 hrs start to finish doing my alarm starter with as many options I could do lol.Defrost,lock/unlock,turn radio on and off,trunk release,window module and glass break for my ttops.

For manual remote start there is always some procedure some are more involved than others lol and does get annoying if not timed right :P. But if you really want to give this a shot and install this then pay more attention to the unit you get and understand how it works and how it has to be wired up.If you know and understand auto electrical enough to test for proper wires then this shouldnt be to difficult.Taking your time and making the proper soldered connections and running the wires you need in a neat fashion should yield a safe remote starter for as long as you own the vehicle..or untill you finally break the remote after 5 yrs of use and they no longer make it lol.Thats my issue now

Al Hasse

I have an alarm with remote start installed on my manual trans car. The alarm is made by CompuSTAR and they will not let a dealer sell it to a customer to install themselves for liability reasons.

In the arming process as you park your car, leave it in neutral, engage the park brake, then turn off the key. The motor will continue to run until you open the door, step out and close the door. Then the motor shuts off and the doors lock and the alarm is armed, no buttons to push. If armed by any other process, the remote start function will not work. The alarm senses the tach signal and park brake ground prior to arming.

Petes 84Z28

Be sure to preset the HVAC controls before exiting the vehicle. Defroster setting, heat, and blower fan on med/high if it'll be cold/frosty; or use the AC settings to pre-cool the cabin on those scorching hot days.