2004chevyman

ok people need some help i know the engine swap is going to be hard but that i can do ,what is makeing me stand on my head is the wireing ,not knowing what i will need and what i can do away with ,now the 327 is going into a 1986 camaro berlinettalike is said need some help please

brando54009

take it all out and just run fuel line to the carb... end of story

evilemokid94

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*sigh* no, not end of story. He needs a fuel pressure regulator if he is keeping the stock electric in pump tank, needs to wire it up so that it kicks on when the key is in the run position, needs to wire up his gauges and the ignition. Then fuel lines to the carb. One for an inlet, the other for a return.

brando54009

he posted a vague question so i gave him a vague answer. i realize all of this just wasn't going to put for any more effort than he did.

you will also need to figure out what you are doing with your fuel system. are you going FI? carb? are you using the factory 327 mechanical style pump or are you sticking with the electric one?


to better answer your question we need more info.

also i believe you will need a bigger fuel pump but I'm not certain

RedRokkit

I guess the car will run without the dizzy/coil, starter, and alt wiring then.....and then the tach will just magically get its signal....Oh ya then theres that whole efi fuel pump thing.

Id just find a junk/parted V8 w/ a carb and grab the drivers side harness and thats not even the end of the story.......Rear, trans, fuel lines,

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/engi...swap-read.html # 11 might help
Damn ninja'd

brando54009

like i said he didnt ask the right question so it wasn't answered. i could just assume he is getting an after-market tach and speedometer or using gps for his speedometer. you do have to remember that cars had tachometers before all this electronic stuff was created

2004chevyman

thanks guys for haveing my back ,but if he was a real car man he should have known what i was talking about anyway ,but what i want to do is to get away from the computer stuff ,i want to go back to the old day when the cars didnt have all this crap on them

91phoenix

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You have several options. First is to reuse the vitals of your current engine harness. This means mark and keep the coil and tach wires and gauge senders. Also keep what ever you need for the fuel. The rest after running can be carefully separated away and gotten rid of or just tucked in passenger fender.
THe alternative is to use a wiring harness from a carburated car and still have some extra wires due to it being a computer controlled carb harness.
I would put a HEI distributor in it hooked up to the coil wire and tach wire hooked up to the tach side. Wire up the temp and oil pressure sensors, and alternator etc. Either hook up fuel pump with a fuel pressure regulator w/ a return with a separate power wire or take out the fuel pump and extend the pick up tube and run mechanical pump on the block.
The tach will not read accurate as yours is designed for a V6 not a V8 so get a V8 tach. You will need to swap the tranny also which will mean taking the torque arm mount into consideration. Possibly crossmember and driveshaft also.
The motor mounts will need relocating to the front holes on the crossmember and carefully rebending / relocating the brake lines.
Good Luck.

2004chevyman

thanks phoenix for that great peace of info , like i sad i would like to do away with the computer and go back to the old school like takeing and 86 berlinetta camaro and makeing it run like it was built in the 60's you know what mean ,even if i have to buy everything new and make it a show car

1gary

Please don't take this the wrong way.From one thread of a question of a 305 VS a 350 to now wanting to go old school and a 327.I owned 327's growing up and at that time I have very fond memories of them.So I am not anti 327.But they are just a shade more than a 305.You asked the question in the other thread about gas mileage and which gear ratio.Truth be known,you going to spin a 327 higher to get to the bottom of the power curve.

Old school and carbs??. Honestly like you most guys don't want to deal with the computer and all those damm wires.That the emissions systems are junk science that ruined hot rodding.I come from those old school days.But just like everything else in hot rodding we figured a way to turn a negative into a positive.Having to learn how those computer systems and how they work is in part the evolution of hot rodding.That the computer systems do have a better fuel management/spark control than anything before it would ever have and will have a better torque curve/hp than any carb old school system could if the computer is applied properly for street use.And frankly better gas mileage.Don't mix carbs on race applications and normally driven street cars.They are not alike.Sorry about the rant.It's just some guys talk about old school never having live through it and refusing to be progressive with the current tech strikes a nerve with me because the only way cars have gotten as fast as they are is the R & D and the evolution in hot rodding.So to go back is what it sounds like.

Bottom line is I don't suggest a old school approach.

brando54009

like i said... take all that crap out and just bolt it in hook up your fuel and make sure your fluids will be flowing and cooled and your good to go. the problem you might run into is your trans selection. your tranny wont really hold up to any abuse so you have the option of switching to a 700r4 or start getting a little more custom and go with a t350 like me

1gary

One of the easiest ways to understand the computer system and wiring harness of your yr car is to buy from Ebay a factory electrical diagnostic manual for your yr car.Those are cheap to have and where used by dealerships published by GM that covers more than what your asking to do.It is a great tool to have in your toolbox.

One other thing.I suggest you do not cut anything you might regret for future use.

evilemokid94

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how are you liking the th350? I can't decide if I want to use a 700r4 or go th350 when I drop my vortec 350 in.

91phoenix

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First let me say upfront I agree with 99% of what you said.
I love carbs. I hate fuel injection. When I do my swap I am going to put TPI in. Why because I like the looks and should be reasonably easy and as you said EFI is and must become the norm for hotrodding with all new engines being fuel injected. Obviously I am not looking for the most power I can get with opting for TPI.
I agree with the choice of 350 over 327 also but if he already has the 327 block and crank then for cost reasons unless he is wanting as much HP as he can get I agree with the engine choice.
I also like the idea of the one piece rear seal and roller lifters of the modern blocks. I last built a 327. Yes I traded off some power but it was what I wanted for that car for several reasons. Now I am looking for a vortec 350 for my Bird.
As for fuel mileage with the same cam the 327 will have a higher power range and may or may not get the same as a 350.

In the end all we can hope for is that he is very happy with whatever he builds and not very soon wanting more power.

five7kid

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Like 1gary, let me first say I have nothing against a 327. There is nothing magical about them, though, which seems to be the #2 reason people want to put them in their car (#1 being they were given one free).

Having said that...

I put "old school" in the same category as "old muscle car sound" and "loud exhaust". It's about feelings and appearances, not about performance per dollar. One other "small" factor is: "old school" isn't legal for street use in any of the 50 United States.

But, it's your car, your money, do as you like. Personally, I'm putting EFI in the '57.

1gary

The time for old schoolers to stand up and take notice is when NASCAR went to EFI and really gained from it in every way.

brando54009

truth

be careful on buying some of those wiring diagrams as i have found that there can be a few out there that mislabel things or aren't complete. basically you will get what you pay for

91phoenix

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[quote=five7kid


I put "old school" in the same category as "old muscle car sound" and "loud exhaust". It's about feelings and appearances, not about performance per dollar. One other "small" factor is: "old school" isn't legal for street use in any of the 50 United States.

But, it's your car, your money, do as you like. Personally, I'm putting EFI in the '57.[/quote]

Very well put. I am doing my Bird 'Old School' appearance wise. I was originally planning carb but changed my mind to TPI. I am actually liking the idea of the challenge for me as "I hate FI". My close friends don't doubt me getting it done but all are wondering how to do it. If I wasn't married now, if I didn't have three projects now, if I had more money etc, I would do a LT swap or LS swap.
The question to answer is why would I do that if I hate fuel injection. I feel because I want the challenge and I am willing to learn.