mikesstkiroc

what are your ideas on putting a flame thrower on my 89 iroc z.
this is not the flame thrower ignition this is where the flames come from the exhaust. I wan't to hear from people who have done this and also if there is any cons to putting it in.

Mark A Shields

It'll teach people not to tailgate.

Omega

iTrader: (1)

Gut cat
Run rich
Install a spark plug in each tailpipe
Find a coil from a model T (thats what I have heard)
Hook up coil to a momentary switch... and finally
Get arrested

TZFBird

First of all, you are probably either going to have to use carb, or else burn a crazy PROM that will trick the computer into running that rich. I'm not sure if you could make it so you could have a mode for it, simmilar to the 'valet' mode, where the car will not go over 35mph or something like that, except tune it differently so 'valet' mode runs super rich.

Then, you would probably want to find someone who welds, and weld a bung on each pipe, probably about 1/2 to 1 foot in from the end. So you can easily remove the fouled up old plugs. And either scrape them off, or screw in another old one. I guess that is a good use for the old worn plugs. I doubt you are going to want to pay $1.50 or whatever to buy a new un-carboned up plug once a month.

The plugs, along with a coil. I'm not sure what coil would work, but I'm sure you could rig something up. Probably want to make sure it's wired right though. Then, you just add a button into the dash. I don't know where in the line you would put it, but probably before the coil.

I thought this would be cool to do, but then I considered the plastic bumpers, so I guess it would work as long as you kept the tips out from the bumper.

Oh, one more thing, I bet you are going to have to go with a smaller tip size to increase the velocity at which the gases are shooting from the tip, otherwise the flame will just sit there righ behind your car and not go back. More of a small puff I guess than a spray. Not sure if that is true or not, but it seems right to me.

Some info here: http://www.ls1.com/forums/showthread...highlight=coil

wingnut

Here you go!

Gator_Z28

If you go and pick up a Street Rodder magazine there is an add in there for a flame thrower kit that shots 20 feet of flames. I have read an article on this because i thought about doing it then i decided to go with turn downs for exhaust. Anyway, the kit is basicly two fuel injectors put into your exhaust and farhter down close to the tips there is two spark plugs that egnite the gas. The kit i think is like between 100-140 dollars but it has EVERYTHING needed!!

TZFBird

I think it would still look cool with turndowns because then you have flames rooling over the ground instead of shooting out behind you. Although, with turndowns, more flames get under your car. I'd like to see a pic of flames coming out of turndowns...just to find out what really happens.

mikesstkiroc

well i have to go look at the mag and really see what they say. And the only problem i see is the iroc is TPI not carb. But yeah i will go to the store right now and look at it to see what the kit includes. THANKS

BAK12484

Not too sure how safe this method would be, but im guessing you could rig it up pretty easily...
install a small container or fuel cell somewhere on the car. Install a fuel pump, injectors, plugs, the whole 9 yds. Then run it all to a switch inside the car... perhaps have one to run the fuel pump, then another to fire the plugs.

The neat thing would be that you could experiment with different types of fuels/chemicals since it will be in a separate container.... nothing like having flames that match the color of your car

fiream

check this out

mikesstkiroc

And thats in this months mag. is it a whole article or just a add.

joezero

I've heard of guys at shows that were injecting liquid propane and shooting flames like 20 ft. No ****, I'll have to see if I can find the ariticle I saw it in. As for the wiring of the coil, you'd need two switches, one to allow power to go to the coil, and one that interrupts the power. You've gotta let the coil build up a magnetic field on the primary side, and then cut the power so that it creates a current in the secondary side. You can use any coil really, b/c it won't take as much voltage to fire the plugs in the exhaust as it would in a cylinder under pressure. But like was stated earlier, you either need to remove/gut your cat, or have some way of injecting a fuel source into the exhaust (read: sucidial). If you ever see anything on flamethrower contests, you'll see what I'm talking about with the liquid propane.

12 Sec GTA

A buddy of mine Rick (98 Snake Eater on the ls1 boards) makes setups like this..


It involves individual coil packs for each exhaust tip, a fuel solenoid (used in wet n2o kits) and some other stuff.

instead of running rich, look into other ways of supplying the fuel to the tips.

rx7speed

all I had to do is hook up a header to my car with 2 inch prims and I was spitting flames when I went to shift at anything above 6000 rpms

though my car runs by nature and also my exhaust temps are something like 1800*

quite a bit hotter then you guys

IROCZ88

WTF!! You guys are messed up!!!!!!!!

Gator_Z28

It was an add in the Mag. (Sorry it took me so long to reply been on vacation), It is in there every month it is an add with other parts on it the flame kit has always been in the lower right hand corner though.

fbody dude

Well guys and gals, I'm feeling generous. Plus, I’m kinda of tired seeing people guessing at what might work. Before I start, attempting to build a flamethrower system can kill you. And, not just a nice happy death, but you can either be flame broiled to a blackened crisp or a massive explosion that sends shards of metal through your body kind of death. One more thing, this is adult stuff, so kids just don’t. Now, with that out of the way. My brother and me tackled this problem about a year ago. It took about three months before we had a reliable system that would fire off every time. It really isn’t that hard. And the system was made from surplus parts. And, yes, the system will shoot flames from little ripples of flames to those monstrous flames. It all depends on the jetting. And, with proper control of the velocity and pressure of gases, you can control the color of the flame. And while we did it the most simplest and dangerous way possible, it still is cool to see a person’s eyes get 4 times bigger when the flames come on. In fact, one time my brother decided to light it off in front of wal-mart on his way out. When he left the parking lot, he had six people following him waiting to see him do it again. And the cop story, my brother went through a fairly major intersection with the flames on and at good speed. He shut them off as he got about a block away from the intersection. About five-minute’s later cops and a fire truck went flying past him. Apparently someone called on a cellphone to the fire department that a truck was on fire at the intersection he just passed. This project attracts attention more than anything else you can do. Good and Bad attention. You can also melt the back of car. My brothers fiberglass roll pan has melted paint on it. The constant maintenance is a big negative as well. You must check it every time before you go out cruising. However, if you still want to do this. Here is what I did:

The website with the pictures and video
http://exhaustflame.tripod.com

The rough draft of the book I had planned to sell.
http://exhaustflame.tripod.com/book.htm

A better explanation of how flames were made in the old days.
http://exhaustflame.tripod.com/fe.htm

camaroguy2003

do a search, we discussed it a while back

Andrew

streetrunner

or just put a secondary fuel injector in the tips and then a spark plug after it and have the system wired to one momentary switch. wouldnt that work im taking a wild shot at it. i have anted to do this for some time now...

Deviate4420

LOL adult stuff.Yea so all you kiddies out there who have acess to you'r own car don't try this at home.J/K but anyway this all sounds really dangerous and damaging to today's cars with plastic body parts.On the fast and the furious those cars all have fire shooting out the exhaust and i'v heard with the right engine and exhaust mods that'll really happen.Also they sell exhaust tips at Auto Zone that have a neon ring inside them and they come in all different colors but if u get the red one it looks like the afterburner on a jet.That's what there called afterburners.There a lil pricey though at like 40 or 50 bucks a piece.Probably also illegal around here being as pretty much anything that makes a car look cool is illegal in WV now.......Andy

carkrazykid

hey Deviate4420, i am 13 and i have my own camaro, so i guess kids do get a hold of the cars. i recently got an 87 camaro, as a project car so i can have it ready when im 16, and i was considering the flame thing so the warning is all good. thats just so you know

NTChrist

I can't believe you're trying to make money off people by telling them to use a second distributor attatched to a unused blower motor.
For those of you that didn't waste your time reading his "inside secrets," which he would normally charge $20 for, he suggests using fittings from a kerosene heater to attach the spark plug to the tailpipe (because we all have spare kerosene heaters lying around), and (get this, this part is the best ) USE A 6 CYLINDER DISTRIBUTOR, TURNED BY A BLOWER MOTOR to provide the spark!
All this, lying in your trunk.
He suggests using a belt from the blower motor, to turn the distributor.
Next step is to install "a two-way switch," that will cut power to the engine distributor, and run it to the trunk distributor. Bring the engine up to redline, hit the switch, and the engine will pump a little unburned gas into the tailpipe as it dies. Next, quickly flip the switch back to revive the engine.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!

gtaguy87

I think a flaming exhaust would be pretty sweet on my TA. Someone tell me if this would work, I have TPI so im not sure and heres what my exhaust looks like roughly i was wondering where to put the spark plug. Also cant i just use a coil an old spark plug wire and a positive and negative wire ran to the battery with a switch to make it work someone let me know i dont want to starts something that wont work. heres my exhaust drawing where would i mount the plug.

joezero

Damn this is an old post. To answer your question I put arrows on your diagram. There was another rather lengthy thread on this recently. https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=126689

gtaguy87

would My coil setup work or does it has to be connected to the distributor? My thinking is that it would burn up the fumes as long as there is power to the coil

joezero

A lot of your questions were addressed in the other thread, but I'll try to answer some of them here. First off, according to your picture you have a catalytic converter. That will need to be removed so that any unburned fuel can make it to the tailpipes. Second, you will needed two spark plugs and two coils, since you have 2 tailpipes. There are kits out there that will control the coils automatically, but they run about $100. If your not very good with electronics, that may be the way to go. www.autoloc.com The unit really only contains about $10-15 worth of components, so if you're comfortable soldering a circuit board, you can save yourself a lot of money. The way it works is that you supply power the the coil. It charges and builds up a magnetic field. When you turn it off that energy is released as a high voltage burst. That's what fires the spark plugs. So you need some sort of module that will turn coils on and off automatically. I don't particularly agree with the idea that you can simply wire up a switch to manually turn the coil on and off. First off, you can't just leave a coil's power supply on indefinently, it will burn up the coil. Second, coils are made to fire thousands of times a second, which is just slightly faster than you can flick a switch back and forth. So a module that could take advantage of that ability would help make sure that the unburned fuel is always being ignited. The circuit would be pretty simple, comprised primarily of an oscollator and a relay if necessary.

Finally, it looks like you may have a stock exhaust, based on your diagram. If that is the case, do not do this. Remember that heat rises up, and if you have the factory setup that dumps under the bumper, and not behind it, you could melt something or at the very worst catch your car on fire.

80 Camaro 355

Magneto coils or the control box.Its a little more complicated than running some wires from your coil,and then to a switch.Another thing you also have to do is DELETE ALL emessions equipment and have absolutly no exhaust leaks

fast89RS

Why is this cool?

joezero

I suppose people see it as sort of a symbol of power. It sort of like those cars with big *** blowers sticking up out of the hood. You see it and your like "damn, that car's gotta be fast". It makes spontaneous cooks-outs easier too.

fast89RS

That is handy!

CustomCarShop

I am planning to put a set of flame throwers on my IROC-Z before this summer, so after I beat all the little **** **** & some rustangs Id like to shoot some flames at them. But I dont really want big flames, maybe 2- 3ft.

I was reading about this propane set-up, has anyone doen it or havemore info on it. At the Home Depot they sell those little propane tanks for the portable BBQ's for liek $2 each & there full. I was wondering how I would get the propane out of the tank and into my exhuast, without having to manualy go back there & open the valve.

Has anyone here installed the kit on a TPI car? I have no cat on my car, so I already know that part. What are the results with the TPI..

joezero

Those little propane bottles (and the big ones for that matter) are pressurized. So your only option would be to use some sort of a solenoid to regulate the flow. The ones for campstoves and such have a special fitting on the top. So you would need to get the valve off of a campstove or lantern or something. You might check into the ones that plumbers use for soldering copper pipes. They may not have that fitting.

Basicly the setup would be like this:
Propane bottle to a shut off valve (that way if somebody else drove the car they couldn't start any fires by accident). Then a short fuel line to a solenoid. From there you would run the line out and under the car. If you have dual exhaust you would need to put a Y into the line. Then you would run the lines into the tailpipes.

That's it, when the solenoid opened the pressure inside the propane bottle forces the gas down the tube and into the tailpipes. You want that further forward than the spark plugs.

joezero

If you're injecting propane into the tailpipes it won't matter if the car is TPI, or even if it has a cat in it. Both of those are only a concern if you're fuel source is unburned gas from the engine. In this case it isn't.

CustomCarShop

Yes, I already know that, i was just wondering if anyoen has gotten descent size flames with TPI, no cat. Or if propane is the better way to go? And what the proper was of hooking up the propane is.

Larry Dunlap

Interesting. I learn about something new on this site every day. My first thought was WTF, Holy S***, etc. I have been spending my time and money just to make my car go fast, haha. But I guess I could see how someone might think it would be fun. Its kind of like the hydraulic shock bouncing up and down thing. Not for me but it is sure fun and funny to look at

zerotosixtyV8

isn't that the same mentality ric3rs have when they put on buzz bomb fart cans, huge spoilers, and "aerodynamic" body kits? Anyone who knows about cars would be like "wow that kid is a dufous and his car is slow no matter how high he revs and how much he weaves in and out of traffic". Flames on exhaust is cool for shows but that's about it. I guess that's just me being a cynic though

CustomCarShop

anyone goign to leave any info on how to do the propane set-up

joezero

CustomCarShop

How do i get it from the tank to the exhaust tip eactly?

joezero

Sorry, I guess it didn't all copy over.

Basicly the setup would be like this:
Propane bottle to a shut off valve (that way if somebody else drove the car they couldn't start any fires by accident). Then a short fuel line to a solenoid. From there you would run the line out and under the car. If you have dual exhaust you would need to put a Y into the line. Then you would run the lines into the tailpipes.

That's it, when the solenoid opened the pressure inside the propane bottle forces the gas down the tube and into the tailpipes. You want that further forward than the spark plugs.

joezero

The giant spoilers came from them copying formula 1 cars. It's all a marketing thing. These companies tell everybody, "look, real high performance race cars have all these things, and if you put them on any car it will make it a race car."

Flame throwers started on real muscle cars. If somebody put these on a classic ford or chevy, would you call them a *****? I think not. But if you don't like it, that's your opinion and you're certainly entitled to it. The one thing that some many people seem ignorant of is that none of the ***** stuff is original. They've just borrowed it from all sorts of true performance cars. So there's a lot of things that are rightfully ours (muscle cars) and you can't let some 16 year old kid who decided to blow $300 on a 5" muffler just cause he thinks it's cool.

zerotosixtyV8

it all falls under the same category IMO. Ignorant people wouldn't know any better. Ignorant peope wouldn't know that the ability to pull a wheelie has to do with weight distribution and gearing, not pure engine power. These are the same ones that would think a big spoiler or shootin flames out of the exhuast makes a car fast. but to each their own. if anyone has seen a certain lame movie that came out not too long ago, flames out of the exhaust still seems to be a "cool" thing. I personally prefer to let E/Ts and racing kills do the talking.

CustomCarShop

Thanks man, ill get some pics posted as soon as I start the process.

Do you know the distance in flames Ill be getting?

joezero

It depends on the rate of propane flow. I would recommend using a small, like maybe 1/4" tube if you're going to use the little propane bottles, otherwise you'll go through em really fast.

CustomCarShop

Has anyone ever used a Salimander? I have an industrial one, i got off one of my buddies who does construction?

It doesnt contain any source of spark, to engage it, u push in this button with alows the propane to shoot thru at a minimal pressure, u light it with a lighter, match, whatever, then u hold the button in for about 30 seconds, then you let it go, and it shoots a good 2 - 3 foot flame. I have a regulator on my tank and I can control the pressure. I was just thinkng about this & became more confused.

If u do the propane set-up on a car? Would u still need the flame thower kit, that makes the ignition coil send an interupted spark?Like, couldnt u just theoretically just put a plug and ingnition coil back there, engage the propane with a solenoid & then just hit the coil to spark for a second to light up the propane & then shut off the propane when ur done shooting flames?

Same way the torches work as well or any propane thing i can think of, it only requires spark to ignite it at first & then will run until u shut off its fuel source.

JPrevost

I like flames . Anything to do with fuel and fire .
All in all I think any basic electronics dude could figure out how to make a circuit to control a coil. First you have your power, then you have a 555 timer chip, a few diodes, misc caps to control the frequency and time and of course some big power switching transistors = controllable flames. Oh yeah, and for the DIY eprom guys running with no cat... you know how to take control of the fuel .

gtaguy87

flames are definatly cool and i would do it but it would definantly melt my bumper. Any ideas on some small flames maybe like 6 inch flames that would cost a whole lot

gtaguy87

sorry wouldnt cost alot

joezero

EYEROCK89

Hmm, flames shooting out of my car....sounds like trouble waiting to happen.