hmmurdock_00

I found a 1992 B4C/1LE police pursuit package camaro. Is it worth what the guy is asking, I haven't gone to actually look at the car yet, but I kind of want a rought idea of what to expect if i ever decided to get it.

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...ist=200#vdptop

Thanks.

okfoz

THats alot of miles, BUt it looks to be in good condition.

Its a give and take, a 91-92 Z28 would be about the same amount, but it does not have the large 1LE brakes.

Something to keep in mind if you want the performance of the 1LE you can get the 12" Baer brakes for about $1200, the 13" are even less because they have to cut down the 13" to 12" BUT you would probably need aftermarket rims...

An ex-police car would have been abused for sure as they are not purchased to be poking around town, but for chasing down crooks.

There is the chance that it was not a cruiser, and if thats the case then its probably been babied a little bit more.

Its about right, if I really wanted one I would think $4000 would be fair for a 100,000 mile car... but thats me.

John

hmmurdock_00

So its about value then for the car. I was looking for a little less miles, but for the shape it appears in seems fine, but if I ever really got it or was sure I was going to get it I go look first to make sure its good.

But a good Z28 that has the same performance as a B4C 91-92, would cost like you said about the same, plus 1200 for larger 12" brakes. I might check out those 13's was trying to avoid to large of a rim, i like rims under 18".

But like you also said a lot of mile on here, but I imagine most police package like this will, unless some cop was wise and garage kept and only took it to the donut shop on fair weather days. My guess is it has seen any police force except the owner getting tickets instead of giving.

Might talk to the guy and see if he go any lower before I really decide. But I really need more of a nice performing third gen for a daily than anything, but if i got this i think i could use it as a once in a while driver.

Oh well thanks for the info.

CrazyHawaiian

A car is worth what someone will pay. I use something like the bluebook value as an indication of worth, not the actual worth. This is especially true when you get into the more rare cars. I sold my old 92 B4C for $7K and it had 92K original miles. The guy that bought it from me sold it to someone else for $10K. Both of those buyers knew what a B4C was and thats the car they wanted, so they paid alot to get it. Seeing that the car you're looking at has a new engine with low miles, I think its well worth it (assuming the rest of the car is in good working order). But you gotta keep in mind that I know what a B4C is and its a car I would want so to me its worth more than a run of the mill Z28. I have another B4C I'm restoring now (also a 92) and I'm hoping to get at least $5K for it with around 105K original miles. Police vehicles are definately driven hard, but if the PD has their act together the car should have been properly maintained over the course of its life. Ask for documentation. My current B4C was not only mainted properly, its also been running 92 octane gas its entire life (and continues to despite the high gas prices).

p.haze92

That is not too bad of price. That was a government car since it has the code GAM. Also it has the locking rear compartment code D27. Every GAM coded B4C that I have found came with the D27. Also, all 1991 and 1992 B4C's were from the FBI that were coded GAM. It does look like the interior has been switched from grey interior to black.

Car does look good. Maybe you can offer $4500 and hell take it. Either way good luck.

hmmurdock_00

Yeah I always kind of wanted a B4C more than other camaros, this is very similar to what I was going to do 350, disc-disc brakes, black and grey interior. So its about at that.

I never hardly put any miles on it, the 6 years I owned my RS I only drove around 30,000 miles in it. So I may get it.

Thing is I get to beat another person to it, because I made the mistake of mentioning this to someone who collects anything to do with Police packages (mostly fords).

Do you think it be alright to use this as a daily driver considering that i only drove my other camaro 30,000 miles in 6 years?

thanks again for your time

EDIT...
After posting this I got an email fromt the owner here is his email.

"interior is in excellent condition, original paint in good condition, no rust spots, the engine is the same as the original b4c that came out, 350, 5.7 liter, HO. All parts around the engine are original, heads, TPI, intakes, etc. The original engine was going to be rebuilt and reinstalled, however, my uncle decided to get rid of it when I wasn't around. The only damage to the car is the roof has a dent where a tree limb fell on it during an ice storm. Nothing major. This car was only bought for a play car but I have no time and a new house to deal with. I rebuilt the front end last summer, new struts, swaybar, bushings, the works. New tires with maybe 400 miles on them. Cold A/C, New radiator, alt, batt, belt, upper and lower hoses. Has a thumpin sound system. It handles great, corners on rails. All in All this is a wonderful car. "

Sounds fine, I sent a reply asking if it seen any police service, asking if the title is clean, about the price.

Thanks again

p.haze92

Yes, it saw service with the US Government(aka FBI) per the GAM code. If it has that code, the GSA bought the car and used it.

6SpeedTA95

If it were a privately owned car that was ordered with the pursuit package that would be one thing, but one that has actually seen police duty has had the living **** driven out of it. My dad had an LT1 car with some pretty significant mods designed specifically for pursuits. Needless to say that car got the crap kicked out of it. Why? because in chases or when they get a call they dont have a choice but to hurry. My dad went through three transmissions but that was the only thing he had problems with, but still buying it for 4800 bucks with 169,000 miles seems like a major rip man. I'd say 3500 tops. The only good thing is if it has seen policy or HP duty its been meticulously maintained.



edit: so its got a rebuilt motor? what about the transmission?

p.haze92

Most GAM Government cars dont normally get the sh*t ran out of them. They are used for undercover work mainly. I would be more worried about the 2nd or 3rd owner than the first one.

hmmurdock_00

Well got this from the guy today,
"I've dropped 5000 already, will not go any lower than 4700, I have someone supposedly coming with the money on tues, however, I have heard that before. Its a beautiful car. I drove it to town yesterday and my son and I just both looked at each other at the same time and was like, I don't want to sell it. But I have to because I have no room for it. My last camaro is a 91 z28 convertable california edition that I am restoring and that will be my last. Any more questions please feel free to call or email."

To bad the thing is like 233 miles away, I would have went this weekend to see it if I wasn't busy. If he hasn't sold it by this weekend I going to try and see it.

Only one other car is make this difficult, it is a 1984 Z28 all orginal, owners manual, runs good, looks good, 2000. Its alot closer than the police. Time will tell.

It does have the code GAM according the the sticker.

Thanks for all the feedback on this.

okfoz

If your looking for a car for collectability then any TPI car will be more collectable than a 4bbl car, the exception may be in 85 & 86 the HO car may be worth more when compared to a similarly equiped TPI car from the same year. The more the HP the more it will be worth, there is hardly any exceptions to this historically.

Its your money, but a TPI car will get better milage, even better than an LO3 car. I would not even consider anything less than a TPI car personally.

Find me a car with high horse power and its not desired by collectors and I will show you one ugly car.

John

hmmurdock_00

well sad news according to the owner it is indeed SOLD, but he has not got the money yet when he does (if he does) he let me know so I know if to try and make arrangements for this weekend to see the car.

I am mostly looking for a TPI car, or even TBI.

Its kind of complicated what I am looking for. I just looking for something that looks solid, but if I should happen to run across a collectible that looks like it is worth it then I try and get it, other wise looking for about anything that is decent.

Anways...

Thanks for all the information on this car. Maybe another day I will find a B4C.

okfoz

Do not be in a hurry, take your time and get what you WANTED otherwise you will be ultimately disapointed.


I bought mine solely on the fact it was Yellow...

to each their own.

But I would never buy another LG4 or LO3 for myself, OR to turn and sell.. Nothng less than a LB9 or L98 for me...

John

hmmurdock_00

Yeah I understand that, I have always wanted a B4C though.

Good news also, just got this from the owner "still 4 sale, dude called and couldn;t get the loan. Still up for grabs."

I going to try and arrange to look at it this weekend. If I get the B4C then more and likely it will retain factory style and parts. May go with GM parts from those years like GTA cross lace rims, but nothing beyond that I don't think.

part of me is nervious about getting the car, for fear of what happened to my RS. Again I also fear I am jumping into this, but really excited about the chance to own a police package.

azvolfan

What happened to your RS?

hmmurdock_00

It was in a pertty bad wreck.

The cost was to much to justify, 500-1000 dollars for a complete nose plus 2500 for labor is what the body shop was quoting. Im going to miss that car. Just really got to working on that 305 as well. People find it so strange that the motor could still start, can't no ignition jammed and key is out.

okfoz

Ig you get the car, get an appraisal and pay the insurance.

John

hmmurdock_00

yeah i know to get the car appraised. Its a law here that all vehciles on the orad must be registered and insured before legally being able to drive. One law I agree with for sure here.

thanks for the info though.