85F-body

i just found out that they are stopping the production of camaro's (lil late i know) that pisses me off so now are all the camaro's rare cause i have a 85 camaro is'nt that the first i roc model i ma not sure and also i wanted to knwo if i should keep it stock or what

ColinOpseth

hey man... yes, after 4 generations, and almost 35 years, the 35th anniversary of the Camaro will be it's last... kinda sux... actually, it REALLY ****ING SUX, but what can you do? GM doesn't push the Camaro anymore. Tell me, when's the last time you saw a Camaro or Firebird advertisement? And yes, the Firebird will cease to exist after last year.

It's up to your whether you keep your car stock or not, but I can assure you this. My car is staying stock, always will. Butchered cars make mine more valuable

here's a pic of my car, ttyl dude.. www.IROC-Z.org/newpics/Untitled-05.jpg

ttyl bro,
Colin

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85F-body

i have'nt seen a camaro advertisement ever me being born in 84

jason86/2.8

It's pretty f'n sad if you ask me but on the bright side we'll always have the best of the Camaros, the Thirdgens. They can prevent us from getting a 5th gen by not making them, but they sure as hell can't prevent any of us from buying a Thirdgen. I'll always have mine I know what.

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89RagTopRS

They did that brief advertisment stint in 98 I think for the camaro which was actually effective, giving reference to the early second gen styled front end and the new front end.

I'll always remember the ads for the GTA Trans Am with the black and gold car glistening on a dark rainy night. Very sweet ad.

They also did top speed comparison tests for the TTA, GTA and the TA. This was an ad for Gatorback tires. Those were all in the 80s. Nothing I remember in the 90s, although VW and Nissan had the best ads that decade.

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305tbi, auto, all stock
posi w/drum brakes
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Jza

I remember Firebird ads just a couple years ago, I think. It had a black 'bird sitting at a light. Then it turns green and the car takes off and the greenlight explodes...

TINFY Racing

Jza your right back in like 97 and 98 they were running some TA commercials to promote the ne style of the TA and that was one of the commercials they two? that were out there were very similar and both were sweet commercials. the other one had the TA blowing through the car in front of it right? or i just daydreaming TINFY

Mikes86SC

Colin, what does it matter what the monetary value of the car is? Doesn't the sentimental value these cars have for thirdgenners totally outweigh it? And do you plan on ever selling the car? Not me.

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eatmydust

I remember a Camaro commercial on TV back in the late 80's maybe early 90's. Two boys in a room listing to cars pull up at the stop sign and calling what they are w/out looking at them. Then you see a Camaro pull up, I think it was either a Z or a ROC. And one boy starts rattling off stats about the car. And the other says something like "yeah but what color?" or something. That is the only F-body commercial I ever remember.

Mikes86SC

That commercial was mid 90's and the car was a red Z. It aired shortly after the 4th gens came out.

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84TransAm

Stopping the production of the F-bodies is the stupidest thing that GM can possibly do. Now in their muscle-car division they are leaving it to the Corvette. I guess the average Joe who wants a fast car will have to give his $30,000 dollars to Ford. The upper management must have daily coke parties in their offices. What a bunch of F**k ups!

All they need to do is re-introduce the F-body to the general public through a large scale advertising scheme. Have TV ads, newspaper, Radio commercials, emphasize them at the dealers. All the import manufacturers do stuff like this, and they have good sales. What would be really smart of GM would be to kill the F-body for 2 years and then bring it back as another generation, but more public. Have a commercial introduction during the superbowl, keep advertising it as much as minivans and SUV's for about 6 months. Then they will see a massive sales improvement.

Man they are so uncompetitive. They really are taking the easy way out.

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1984 Trans Am 305 LG4, 5 speed
RPO codes point to Recaro version
Daily Driver, Flowmaster 80 Series

ColinOpseth

hey Mike... I currently have two IROC-Zs. My '86 is a project car, in great shape but I blew the motor. Bought the car with the motor making piston slap, got worse until it broke some oil rings

My '87 is a factory loaded IROC with every option except 350 and 'vert option. I haven't yet found an option besides those that it doesn't have. It has 90,000 miles on it and I am stopping driving of it in a few weeks.

I run an IROC website because I believe that they will be classics, in time. They made over 100,000 IROCs, which doesn't really relegate them to a 'rare' status. True, in time they will be 'rare' but it's going to take many, many years. Look at the 1st gens, they were almost completely GONE before they were even worth anything. In 1991 (or about there) my Dad bought his '68 RS/SS 396 4-speed Camaro for a GRAND!! Now an unrestored big block like that is worth over 5000$. The IROCs will be in that league someday, I hope.

I love these cars, don't get me wrong, but there are so many butchered cars out there that it's the stockers that will retain the best value. Right?

ttyl,
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KS91Z28

I remember a commercial, I think it was in '93. They said something like, "Camaro, the official car of Rock n Roll".

Mikes86SC

I remember seeing a billboard that said,
"First Rock n' Roll. Now this"
And it had a pic of a 93 camaro.

And when they first aired comercials for the 93's on tv, they used to say,
"What else would you expect from the country that invented Rock n' Roll?"

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bird67

84TransAm, you might be right. I read in a trade magazine that the plan is as follows.

First, GM's current president (the fact that I don't even know his name says volumes about GM's current problem - whatever happened to the DeLoreans, the Iacoccas, the Jim Wangers, the Shinodas, etc?) says that GM will continue to produce F-bodies as long as it remains profitable to do so, without putting any money into them whatsoever. So this means there will be no face-lifts, no 5th gens, no advertising or marketing, no effort to keep up with Ford, no morale on the assembly line, nothing. And, since it will cost money to transfer the assembly line from Canada to some other plant after the current contract expires in 2002 (2003?) you can assume that will kill the f-body right then and there.

I then read that GM is thinking of introducing a car based on a European Opel platform that could be a 5th gen Firebird/Camaro. Warning: it might be FWD but I'm not sure if that's what I read. It would likely be a two-year hiatus before the Firebird/Camaro would be reintroduced. IF AT ALL.

Then, in another article, I read about another car - I believe it is a sweet two-seat Opel sports car - that GM is giving Pontiac first dibs on. They did a mockup of what it might look like as a Pontiac. Though it looked to me like it would be a great Fiero, the article suggested it might be a Firebird if reintroduced.

My personal prediction, which is truly not worth the $.02 usually reserved for such predictions, is that we will not see another Firebird nameplate. I think it's done. I cannot at all see GM making a front driver as a Firebird, and I can't see GM making a 4 cylinder, turbocharged sports car into a Firebird. That's more likely to be a reborn Fiero. And, if GM does design another rear-drive muscle car, my guess is that the pull an old name out of the book - GTO. After all that is what they called the orange show car that they produced about 3 years ago. It was kinda ugly but at least it wasn't an Aztek, and it was a big engined, rear drive car.

There you go. Another useless, uninformed opinion.

Monkie

Today in sociology we were watching a video our teacher taped on the year 1969 and he didnt skip the comercials and he was fast forwarding it and I just caught a glemps of a third gen and I yelled out "Hey rewind it!" and he did and played it and it was a 92 camaro comercial I thought cause it had my ground effects and I asked him when he taped this and he said in 91. So I guess it was a 91 Camaro but it looked sweet. It was red and it had an earlier 3rd gen next to it maybe a 84 or something. And it was also red but it had silver "ground effects" on it. So I guess they were showing you the difference between the new body style. But yup, first Camaro comercial I have ever seen!

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85F-body

now i remeber all the commercials. i think gm will reintroduce the camaro and firebird in about 10-20 years like as a classic retake kinda like the shelby gt that ford is doing right now

scottmoyer

There has been no official statement from GM that the f-body is going away. This is a viscious rumor because the Ste. Terese Plant's contract expires in 2002. GM did say that the rumor was started because no negotiations or statements were released as to if the contract would be renewed. The F-body will probably take a one year absence and return in 2004 as a restyled rear drive monster. If you'll recall, rumors were started last year that 2000 was the last year and dealerships increased the value of the cars by almost $1000 thinking they had the last of 'em. I think GM is playing a marketing game to get the hype up over the potential loss of a great car. When it gets restyled, it will probably be advertised everywhere and people will flock out to get 'em. Look at what chrysler has done with marketing new models and look at their sales. In 2003, GM will probably start advertising the next generation Camaro/Firebird without giving any hints to its styling. Kinda like the Mustang ads from '64. They only said, "It's coming" but nobody knew what "it" was.

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89FormulaL98

yeh i remember when the 4th gen 1st came out... they played the jimmy hendrix song. fire i think it was. whata cool comercial ever sense that day i wanted an f-bod... and about butchering... i say BAH!!!! third gens r pointless to leave stock. they do look cool but dont have the muscle to back it up y not go fast?! i dont give a rats a$$ about blue book value... i want my car fast and it will b cold day in hell b4 i let a stock stang beat me.... thats just my two cents
o and i have a 89 formula w/ the ws6 option.. what gear do i have? a 3.45 or a 3.23? thx

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zedder 1 9 9 0

Maybe Hollywood should call Burt Reynolds and create another Smokey and the Bandit movie with a new trans am (Minus all the gold pinstripping), it might generate some sales. Weren't the late "70s the most profitable for the motors as far as F body sales were concerned?Or maybe a new Night Rider series, or yeah thats it Night rider meets Baywatch, bikini clad babes driving around in trans ams rescuing broken down Mustang owners and keeping America safe from pesky, evil dooing dudes driving hopped up imported cars. Yeah chicks in string bikinis and fourth gens, it has my interest........,

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Dan91Z

i think they ought to limit production to 50,000 units of camaros a year..

engines should be a base 320 HP
and 385 HP for the Z28

Vette's should be raised to 425 HP (They do have to compete with the viper, and other exotics.....)
and like 475 for the zo6..

i know alot of people buy v6 camaros because they are a couple grand less, but a camaro deserves a v8..

I'm prety sure i've seen something directly from GM in a magazine before about ceasing production of the camaro.. but hopefuly it is all marketing hype.




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84TransAm

zedder 1990-- Actually they did come out with an updated version of the old Knight Rider series, w/ mr Hasselhoff.
NEW

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1984 Trans Am 305 LG4, 5 speed
RPO codes point to Recaro version
Daily Driver, Flowmaster 80 Series

82 TRANS AM

I would never want to return to the day's of stock in my car. LG4, 4-speed, 3.23 posi. It was a fun combo, always felt like it was fast, but stock it was a dog. I'll never sell it and why save a slow car for someone else. I'll save my daughters a nice looking car that that i made the way i wanted and burns.

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82 Trans Am WS7 notchback
83 Trans Am WS6 T-tops
72 Vista Cruiser 455
90 Olds Trofeo
80 K-10 w/snow plow
Painter @ Chevy dealer
GM junkie

85f-bird

so they're gonna totally destroy the F-body? I had heard previously that it would be removed for a couple years, and then re-introduced with a 5th generation body make-over, and it would resemble the first gens too. Never knew they were gonna completly kill it off.

Oh, and i looked up that Knight Rider 2000 thingie, when i found a web-page for the movie, i was highly disappointed, cause the producers wanted to get the Banshee prototype from GM to use, but get this GM told them that if they gave them the Banshee, and the Movie became a T.V. show again, then they'd be swamp with people wanting Banshee styled firebirds, so GM told the movie makers "no". i can't believe taht GM would actually say no to a concept that might have saved our cars, now get that huh, the public must like the cars enough to want to see them go on, (movie producers) but then GM doesn't love the cars enough to help sell them in a movie, what a joke. Well, the end result was that Banshee look-a-like, which was constructed out of a V6 dodge stealth, great huh, Knight Rider isn't even an F-body anymore. It's a Front Wheel Drive, V6, not sports car, dodge, what happened to the Muscle huh? And if the Firebird/ Camaro would be reintroduced as a FWD version, i'd be happier with them killing it off, it's like driving down the street and seeing one of those 80's LeMans, and i always say, I'm so glad they killed the GTO earlier, cause if it started looking like those cars, it'd be so sad.

Preppie

Who remembers all the hype around the "Death of Superman" a couple of years back? It was heavily profiled in all the papers and on TV. Every comic invest... umm "collector" out there went and bought the comic.
When Superman comics reappeared not long after, interest had been renewed and sales went up.
I understand that a $3 comic is not the same as a $25000 car. I'm just saying that this "kill it off--- bring it back" ploy gets used a lot if you think about it.

84FTA

GM is cheap. If they can get free advertisement someway they will take it. "There is no bad publicity, only publicity". Anyhow, I'd think it would be neat if someone could try to dig up what they could from old hot rods and such in the libraries and save them in a digitial format for everyone, ads, articles. How many times this year has HR mentioned the 2001 camaro and 2001 T/A? A pretty good amount and they have done it just about every year for every camaro/firebird. I think it'd be neat to see some advertisements for Third gens although I doubt we could ever get ahold of the video advertistments.

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1984 WS6 Trans Am Hartop
Former L69 Car under restoration
1984 Trans Am T-tops
4-bolt main 350, performer intake, headers, Holley 650, T-5, hayes clutch, dual elec. fans and 3.23's.
Daily driver and restoration
13.98 @ 101

84FTA

I love my ISP!

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Spyder

okay I have just another thing to throw into the fire.. In December I bought High Performace Chevy and in there they had the proto's for the 5th gen camaros. They didn't say when it was going to be released but from what it sounded like it was going to come out. They also were talking about what was going to happen with the 35th ann. Camaro's and how there is a rumor that the Z06 motor will find its way into 602 camaros. Kinda like what they were going to do in 1992 with the "unforgotten Z" I was going to try an scan in the photo but I can't find the mag. if anyone has it please post it. The cover artical was on crate motors in older cars, they had a yellow third gen and a sixty nine on the cover.

88 350 tpi formula

iTrader: (9)

I don't know what they are thinking! first kill oldsmobile. then the f-bodys? what are they trying to scare workers and consumers? man this is getting sad. its not like olds is really special but, that is alot of there sales

mcaninch_rj

Hi
My father in law recently retired from GM (the Corporation - none of this local dealership stuff) and his close friend runs the mechanics training programs and we got to talking on this very subject. As far as they knew (and they should) the F-Body is toast and GM is placing their bets that they have a replacement type car in the wings (yes front or all wheel drive) that is supposed to make us forget all about the F-Body. I say it won't be the same and hope that GM learns from Ford and the Probe which was allegedly supposed to cause the Mustang to be phased out & we all know what happened there. If Mustang owners can make Ford keep making stangs maybe GM might reconsider

Robin
Black 1991 Z28 41k

RPOs
AJ3, AM9, AR9, BI8, B34, B35, B84, C49, C60, DE1, D34, D35, D55, D8M, D81, E5Z, E9Z, FE2, GU6, G80, G92, IPC, J65, KC4, K68, LB9, MK6, MM5, NA5, NP5, N10, N64, N96, QLC, T96, UB3, UM7, UQ1, U79, VAN, V73, Z28, 1AY, 15B, 17P,
19C, 19I, 19Q, 199, 41U, 9NL

84FTA

I live next door to the lordstown (J-body) plant, my dad used to work there and I know about 3 people that do currently still work there. They use these scare tactics to force the unions and community (mostly the community) to get better contracts with the union but most to get more money from the local government. Over the past 10 yrs they've threatened easily 12 times to cancel the J-body especially after the strike in the early 90's. Maybe it is a ploy, maybe it's not. Dateline did a special on how much it costs per prototype. It takes a couple mil to build those prototype cars and I don't think they'd invest that into something they were trashing anyhow.

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1984 WS6 Trans Am Hartop
Former L69 Car under restoration
1984 Trans Am T-tops
4-bolt main 350, performer intake, headers, Holley 650, T-5, hayes clutch, dual elec. fans and 3.23's.
Daily driver and restoration
13.98 @ 101

327 firebird

Actually the rumor started in 97 or 98 not in 2000. Its been around for a while. I first heard of it from a hot rod mag. There is a web site dedicated to this. Its something like save the f-bodys.com I'm not sure its exact name. I put a few comments on it. Its been there since 98 and now it has over 25 pages of comments written by F-body lovers. And I know there is over 100 coments or more per page. The site said they will peroidicly send the list to GM for them to read. If anyone knows the web site I'm talking about please post it on here so others can write there comments..... maybe it will be enough to change GM's mind. If you know the site maybe let a moderator know so he may be able to make a link to that site through this one!!! Also about a year or so ago I was watching CNN Headline news and they Said that GM offically announced that they were discontinuing the Camaro Platform. I'm not sure if they ment just camaros or all the F-Bodys But they did announce that at least the camaro was gone I also went to a dealer and asked them and they never heard of it. But I don't think that anyone will ever totally know until its 2003 and they are either still making them or the last one has already rolled off the line.

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Keith5

That sucks too, they are going to kill the J-body. I've heard that in 2004 the sunfire will be dropped, the cavalier will go to a "global platform" designed by opel. GM is starting to suck like ford, they are changing things too fast, and letting other company's do the designing, because they are too busy building suv's.

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*****Possible summer '01 mods*****
Open Element, Auburn Posi, Keyless Entry, wonder Bar off the IROC, 4th gen seats, T/A tail lights

1985 Camaro IROC-Z LB9 Auto
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PONTIMANIAC 90

Hey people, I don't like these rumors either but if you think about it, all good things come to an end.
I got a few questions though.What makes an F-body as a platform a perticular thing?
Is it the frame? Was my late 69 camaro's 2 piece frame the same platform they put a 4th gen body shell on? What is GM discarding, a platform or a model name or both?
My first car was a 76 monte carlo with a 4brl carb, swivel buckets and a console shifter and a 350/350 motor,c.i.d. and hp respectively.All this from the factory.This was back in 85 and as a teen I had a real cool car that set me back 1,700 sumolions. A king's ransom back in those days.
So now they have a Monte SS w/200hp.I'm sure they didn't use the old "platform" for the new Monte.Being from the old school of thought, when I hear HP ratings in the 200-300 range it makes me laugh/cry.They had real muscle cars back in the late 60s to mid 70s. And these were heavy-*** cars that were at least a 1000lbs over today's coupes.
Anyway my point is, if they make a camaro/firebird on a different "platform",RWD of course and give it a different name, would that mean that camaros and firebirds are dead?
Can someone clear these things up for me, if you can.
thanks
Mike

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1990 Formula
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Mods:SLP air foil,K&N Filter,All Accel ignition parts,Hypertech Thermomaster chip,Stat,Fan switch.Flowmaster 3" Cat-back exhaust,TB coolant bypass, Centerforce clutch.

Keith5

To me it still would, even rear drive and v8. It would be better than nothing, but it wouldn't be the same.

BigRed42

it all comes down to this, GM has no *****. they should take notes from Chrysler, they are the ones who arn't afraid to produce a certain car

mcaninch_rj

I'm not an expert but I can tell you this. GM groups their cars based on a platform designation. The F Bodies are the Firebird and the Camaro which are both built on the same platform (chassis etc...). Your old Monte Carlo (I had a 78 btw) were rwd whereas the new ones are FWD meaning they are the same car in name only. The new ones share a platform designation with the other "wide body" cars (Pontiac Grand Prix, Chevy Impala, Caddy Catera and Olds Intrigue) and I believe these are called W Bodies. Essentially most GM cars have a twin somewhere else in the company you just have to look for it. General Motors is abandoning the production of the Camaro and Firebird models and its rear wheel drive setup. Word is they plan a replacement with either a FWD or AWD setup that won't revive the Camaro/Firebird name. However GM owns the name and can if they want revive it in an attempt to lure customers back with a badge they associate quality/fun with. The Monte Carlo and Impala are a good example of that. They are two of GM's best selling brands of all time.

Hope this helps

Robin
Black 1991 Z28 40k

RPOs
AJ3, AM9, AR9, BI8, B34, B35, B84, C49, C60, DE1, D34, D35, D55, D8M, D81, E5Z, E9Z, FE2, GU6, G80, G92, IPC, J65, KC4, K68, LB9, MK6, MM5, NA5, NP5, N10, N64, N96, QLC, T96, UB3, UM7, UQ1, U79, VAN, V73, Z28, 1AY, 15B, 17P,
19C, 19I, 19Q, 199, 41U, 9NL

LottaBallsCamaro

I think GM is going FWD this time around if they make another camaro. They've almost done it for the past 20 years. Unless they go with AWD and a northstar then its going to suck *** .

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91 Camaro RS, 305 TBI
No mods yet...Hopefully:
Convert to dual-cat with headers and Borla catback exhaust.
Edelbrock MPFI system.
RAM air hood & Z28 wing.
Z28 cam.
ABS system.
Positraction rearend with rear disc brakes.
Rebuilt front and rearend suspension with polygraphite bushings.
Strutbrace.
Rollbar.

84FTA

I don't blame GM for this. They have to do what makes money, they can't be expected to pay us just so we can live a dream of having another new F-body or just have the name live on. I blame it on the consumer.

Ask just about anyone and they'll say FWD is better. They have no rhyme or reason to this they just say it is better in the snow and in the rain then it is passed on. Sure FWD has it's benefits in bad weather, but it also has it's draw backs. As more and more people drive (mainly women since FWD started making a hugemovement) FWD has a significant 'saftey' feel to it when it comes the nomral push the gas and hit the brake driver. The same type that drive in the invincible SUVs. Just push a pedal and it goes, turn the wheel where you want. It's just that simple. Maybe if we had some more skillful and informed consumers great car platforms wouldn't have to die for 'safe' cars.

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1984 WS6 Trans Am Hartop
Former L69 Car under restoration
1984 Trans Am T-tops
4-bolt main 350, performer intake, headers, Holley 650, T-5, hayes clutch, dual elec. fans and 3.23's.
Daily driver and restoration
13.98 @ 101

Mikes86SC

THERE IS A LINK TO THE "SAVE THE F-BODY" WEB SITE ON MY SITE!!!!
JUST GO TO THE LINKS PAGE, CLICK ON THE "SAVE THE F-BODY!" BUTTON

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86 Sport Coupe, 2.8 V6, dead stock, but not for long!

"Little girls play with ponies!"
www.geocities.com/camman86
Rock fans click the secret link on my site!

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85_ZED28

I don't think GM is stupid enough to make a 5th Gen F-Body with FWD.

If only all of us users were in charge at GM

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1985 305 Z28
White w/Red interior
Mods:
GTS Headlight Covers
K&N Chrome Element and Filter
Flowmaster 80 series muffler
Chrome Valve Covers
Future Mods:
Aluminum Intake
3.73 Posi

I'm the same age as my car

CamaroEFI

i think this is all bull****. the camaro is going to end just like the world was supposed to right? the worse thing that could happen is the camaro will come back in a couple years faster, better, and still RWD. i don't see how they can say sales are down neither...i see 4th gen. camaros and firebirds everywhere. last i heard SUV sales went down.

86ZRICHIE

I know the last thing anyone here wants to discuss is Ford, but do you guys and gals remember when ford announced it was killing the rustang? well they got peoples attention and they made a fuss about it and what happened? a couple years later out came a new redesigned rustang. food for thought...

Jason E

Hey Colin...I just hope there's more people out there like you. Not knocking anyone's car here, but I completely agree with your theology. That's why I wanna get one soon...if I wait, there may not be many stock ones left in my area.

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Jason E
'89 Camaro RS 2.8 (Medium Gray Metallic)
Hypertech chip/K&N filters/Accel 8.8 wires, Accel Supercoil/RapidFires
Eclipse CD and 100x4 amp/Boston plates and 6x9s
Alpine Alarm, Keyless Entry
IROC tailights, tinted windows
"It's for sale"

Looking for: TPI 350 IROC, T/A or GTA
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scottmoyer

My personal belief on this whole SUV thing is that a lot of people still want RWD. If you're a GM fan, tell me what cars are left that are RWD? Sport cars, (not really the most practical) and SUV's (not cheap, but practical). GM has abandoned the RWD for FWD and I personnaly don't like FWD.

Today in Minnesota, I woke up to 1/2 inch of ice on the roads with 2 inches of snow on top of that. I saw a few cars in the ditch going to work, all FWD. i drove a 2 wheel drive s-10 to work without any trouble at all. If the car don't turn when you want it to, give it some gas and swing the rear around. In front drive cars, if the front doesn't turn, you're left to pulling an e-brake or smacking into a snowbank or ditch. Most cars have the foot pedal e-brake today which most people can't figure how to control while driving. Give me RWD over FWD any day and I'll see you at the destination, probably before the FWD car gets there!

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87 IROC 350 TPI with less than 10k original miles
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BigRed42

i know one thing. i can't stand driving a FWD car. it just doesn't feel right to me. so i guess i will just have to keep on buying 3rd gens and old hot rods.

85F-body

ok today i got this gm mag and in it it read that the camaro's are going to be stopped in 2002 but will come back in 2005 but they are not sure about the fwd rwd thing

Team FTS

GM has unveiled two concept cars based on the f-body the camaro 302 which is pushing 425hp and the transam mms 421 sd(super duty) which has 625hp and 550 lbs/ft torque and the transam has a slightly redisgned nose and spoiler

Drew

iTrader: (58)

I read in Hot Rod that by 85 Camaro's and Firebird's would be front wheel drive. The artical was dated 1982. Come on guys, none of you is Nostradumbass, no point in trying to predict the future or believing that everything in print is 100% accurate. Things change at a rapid rate, trying to guess what GM will do in the future will give you just that, a guess.

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Drew
The lone Thirdgenner of the Apocalypse
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87 Iroc
91 Formula 14.3@98mph
91 RS Convertible
91 Firebird V6
92 S10
98 Grand Am GT