LeonardS

OK, this might be a stretch for the Restoration/History section but since I know how particular some of you are I thought I would get your input first.....Scott......okfoz......JT.....and the regulars.

Last year I had to change out the injectors on my 92 Z28 and I wanted them to look original so I purchased a cleaned/balanced set that have already failed again. Where can I purchase injectors that look stock or close to stock that are a better grade of injector???

If you need to move this thread I understand but please try to respond before you move it.

Thanks for your help guys!!!

Leonard and the last 92 Camaro.

okfoz

Leonard,
I really don't know where to get them I do know that some of them were Black and others were Gray, I had another message but it did not pertain to your question.

I would really consider getting a new Fuel filter as I would suspect something is in your gas to fowl them My Injectors are 20 years old... Also I would consider draining and trying to wash out your tank ITs a PITA, but I suspect there is something in your fuel to make your car do this only after 1 year.

Good luck.

John

LeonardS

John, I have been told that the 92 injectors were junk. Something to do with the plunger style and that they stick closed easily. My car has 125 miles on it so I don't think the tank is the problem. Not driving the car and allowing the injectors to stick is most likely the problem. That is why I would like to try a different injector.

Leonard

Jim85IROC

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As you were told, the Multec injectors that GM used are garbage. I believe there's more to it than the plunger. That aspect of the injector can be rebuilt, but the actual coil that controls the plunger can't, and I believe that the coils on those Multecs are notorious for shorting out.

The easy answer is to toss a set of Bosch injectors in there. They're way more reliable, and the coils last virtually forever. They don't look the same, but very few people would ever notice, even if they were keen enough to know the difference. If you're willing to let your injector look a little different, getting a set off of an earlier TPI car would be the way I'd go. They are dark colored, so they will be pretty much unnoticed by everybody who sees them, and they are highly reliable. If you can find a good clean set, you can have them flow tested and repaired if necessary through somebody like Cruizin Performance. Since he's such an injector guru, Rich at Cruizin may have some wisdom to dispense about your situation too.

However, I know what it's like to want to retain the OEM-ity of something. You may be able to have Rich rebuild your original injectors as long as the coils aren't shot. He's fast and the prices are way lower than new injectors, so it's worth talking to him about it.

LeonardS

I spoke to Rich last year about the injectors and he is the one that suggested doing something different. I would prefer new injectors......who sells the Bosch injectors and do you have a part number?

Leonard

LeonardS

Does someone have a website or e-mail address for Rich at Cruisin Performance? I can't seem to locate it.

Thank you!

Leonard

84L69TA

I say just replace them with a set of aftermarket injectors. Itll run better, longer. Thirdgens arent worth anything.

LeonardS

Not worth anything.......well lets take a look. It was the last Camaro built in the USA, the last Camaro built at Van Nuys, the last L98 powered car, has over 2000 signatures of the employees that built it and has a total of 125 miles on it. I don't think I would sell it for $50!!!!!!! so I guess I care.

Leonard

okfoz

THere were a lot of people saying that about the GTO's, late 60's early 70's MOPARs in the early 80's.. You could get yourself just about anything with a big engine for dirt cheep in the early 80's, including Cheep Z28, SS 1st gen camaros, & cheep first Gen Trans Am's. Then came the 90's the late 60's & early 70's cars came back and they are worth a small fortune. THis statment is nothing short of short sighted. I know for a FACT that these cars are increasing drastically in price. In the past few years alone they have increased by at least 50% for a really nice low miles car. 87 GTA's have gone at auction for $30,000, and you think they will not have any value?

I guess it would depend on the car. 4 & 6 cyl cars will definately appreciate slower, LG4, L69, & LO3 cars are a maybe, but not like the TPI cars and the later cars with a 350, or the LB9/M5 setup. Then you have the TTA's & Firehawks, they are not worth anything either I guess...

I feel better.

John

f1ls1

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I'm running LS1 Injectors in mine. Nobody has noticed that they are not the oem injectors yet.

327_TPI_77_Maro

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There is nothing wrong with the Multec injectors, if they work properly. The multec supposedly atomizes better than the bosch pintle style. I have multec 24 lb/hr LT1 injectors on my 327 w/ a stealth ram and they all ohm'ed out fine, and run excellent.

Jim85IROC

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Multecs are a time bomb. If yours are working good right now, then great. I'm actually running 24lb LT1 injectors in my Corvette, and so far so good, but I won't be surprised when I start having problems with them. If you check the Corvette forum, all you hear over and over are all of the problems that the guys with 91s had with their stock Multecs.

When a guy who makes his living cleaning injectors even says not to bother because they're junk, you have to wonder...

88IROConv

Can leaky injectors be repaired? Isn't that where the spray nozzle sticks open?

scottmoyer

Leonard, one thing I learned about these so called "all-original" cars is they still required replacement parts. At every show I have been to, the judging is not based on originality at the safety, replacement part or required upgrade levels. On a 69 Z28 with the cross ram intake and JL8 brake setup, the value is not affected by the newer battery, seat belts, better tires, R134 conversions, etc. I have needed to replace the fuel pump relay and the GM ones would last only a year. After spending that $$ again and again, I bought aftermarket. It still works, looks original and cost less. Good Luck

okfoz

I really doubt that there are more than a handful of folks on the boards with a 100% original car. One of the most interesting things I have found lately is the valve stem caps on the Rims, I am not sure of which years or what rims they came on, but I know from around 1985 to 1991 the caps were not black but a medium gray. The stems were still black.

With that said, I would think if you found a good replacement injector that looked original, your doing better than something that lookes way out of place. Becides, keep your originals, if someone wants "Original" then give those to him and explain why they were changed. I am now wondering if my injectors on my 89 are the reason for my funny idle once it warms up...

Also consider that just because its aftermarket does not make it less expensive. I purchased a Brand new Filler cap for my Wifes Mini Van and it was only $5 from the dealer with the tether, but an aftermarket one without the attachment was $11... I also recently purchased GM fuel lines from the intake to the lines tubes on the frame rail for my 87, they were $10 from the dealership, they were properly bent I do nothing. I could get a "Replacement" tube which was straight for $10.00 at an auto parts store... Does not make sence to me... Nonetheless, I would try calling around first.

John

scottmoyer

John,
I was stating that my relay was cheaper than GMs, but I do agree that alot of aftermarket will cost more just because it's better. Not all is better, but it's not hard to get better.

okfoz

Scott,
I agree, in many cases aftermarket is an improvement, but I would think that 85% of the time the original is still the best. In the case of your relay, it does not surprise me that aftermarket is better. Interestingly many "Aftermarket" parts are the same as the originals, I have seen parts that had a different name on them only but were otherwise identical.

I was talking to someone about an Optispark distributor for a 4th gen and he was saying that many of the aftermarket companies even have the same part number stamped in them. Either they make them for GM or Delphi made them for the aftermarket company and had their name stamped on it, either way original parts from the correct era are quite hard to find.

John

LFN AT U

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I love posts like this and hopefully these people will still be around in 15 to 20 years so we can rub it in their faces when these cars are pulling in big money. At one point, everybody said all the 60's and early 70's muscle cars were never going to be worth anything either. Even some the terrible cars cars of the 70's are starting to bring in good money. As one generation of cars gets out of the price range of the average person the next generation starts to get attention and it will happen with the 80's cars as well. In fact, you would have to be completely blind to see that prices haven't already started to take off. Sure, the 80's cars are underpowered compared to cars of the muscle car era. However, they are clearly better all around cars because they do EVERYTHING else better!!!

By the way, I'm sure I'll be rather happy with my pile of cash in twenty years as well. Because my pile keeps getting larger too!!!

LeonardS

For those that may be interested, Rich from Cruizin Performance recommended the Accel # 150821 injectors which can be purchased for $255 - $270. per set.

Leonard

okfoz

THe only thing about the Accel injectors is they are yellow... I like yellow but its not even close to being the right color

John

LeonardS

John, they are not yellow any more. They are silver and black. Check Summit or Atlantic Speed and you will see the new ones.

Leonard

okfoz

Cool, thats good to know... My friend has the Accel Injectors and they were yellow, I assumed they still were... Thats what I get for ***-U-ME.

thanks

JOhn

84L69TA

Man, I wish I had a yard full of 14-16 second cars that were worth about $3,000 each.