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Re: READ ME! Before asking "Is my car rare/Desirable?"
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Originally Posted by Friskyfingers
I own and owned 2 1983 Z28 V8 305 Crossfires. My first one was a find $200.00 didnt run. It had a V6 computer in it! I got the the correct computer. Mu husband rebuilt the tranny.
I got enough cash to replace the windshield for my Bday, I drove the my car for 3 WEEKS!
May 15th 2009.....I was waiting with my 6 yr old, in front on their school for my 10yr old daughter to finish up practice with the marching band. I was parked legally on the street faceing the school. My youngest said she wanted to play bouncy ball. I wanted to enjoy the sun sitting in the car with my book, so I said she could go ahead and play on the grass. She opened the door and got out, she shut the door, got on the curb next to my car. For some reason I looked up in to the rear view mirror and saw a 1960's ford pickup truck coming around the corner. I was parked 40' from the stop sign. It was 3:15pm, school was out. I remember hearing the crash of glass, and extream anger. I for the life of me can not remember if I had my seat belt on, but I jumped out of my car and I was now 20' away from the stop sign and passanger wheels up on the curb. I remember saying the words " You stupid son of a bitch, do you know what the **** you just hit!". I looked over and my daughter was out of the way and fine. I had 2 witnesses, adults. 1 on each side of the street. The driver a guy in his 20's got out and said he wasn't paying attention. I waited for the Sheriff to arrive and they did. We did the typical accident thing. I had NO money for a tow and chacked to make sure I didn't have a gas leak. The sheriff told me if it was driveable I could drive it home. Hahahah.
I walked over to my daughters marching band at the school after calling my husband and telling him I was in an accident "fender bander"
I told him I was ok and the girls were ok, and that my neighbores were picking up the kids and following me home. I beat the **** out of the car, while driving home (4 miles) my fist hurt like hell. My oldest made it to her preformance after I called up her coach and told her I had no car. Talked to his insurance comp, that was fun!
My husband got home and was dumb struck, mouth hung wide open as he passed the front drive way!
Here's the after pic. #828
The axle was shifted 1" to the Left, The frame was buckled by the driver side door, T-Top was out of wack, stereo shot out 3" from the dash. And I developed an engine oil leak.
After over a month of research, and fighting with his insurance, just to be back were I was at 3pm the Friday I was hit. I found a car in San Jose. I was given 9K and the salvage for my baby. Its now been a year and I am starting to notice little things, neck and left leg pain. But I was a preschool teacher for 10 yrs so I cant really say if it was just the accident. Any ways, this is my little story. My youngest still has issues with parking in that area.
The driver was NOT issued any violations!!!!!!
My replacement pic is on my profile.
has the camaro been sent to the car crusher or you got another one?
Re: READ ME! Before asking "Is my car rare/Desirable?"
I just purchased a red 1990 Firebird Pro-Am 1 car from the original owner in great condition with a 305/5.0 liter LO3 TBI, auto, 10-bolt rear, t-tops, A/C, power windows & locks for my son, but he doesnt like it because it doesnt have a TPI engine. Therefore, I am going to sell it as soon as I can find another car for him. I have the original title, window sticker with the dealer addendum for the additional $5,091 for the Pro-
Re: READ ME! Before asking "Is my car rare/Desirable?"
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Originally Posted by JeremyNYR
He did state rare and desirable... maybe the 1C5 isn't particularly desirable... I've never heard of it and I'm a 3rd gen junkie
[quote=firehawk95;4569575]I just purchased a red 1990 Firebird Pro-Am 1 car from the original owner in great condition with a 305/5.0 liter LO3 TBI, auto, 10-bolt rear, t-tops, A/C, power windows & locks for my son, but he doesnt like it because it doesnt have a TPI engine. Therefore, I am going to sell it as soon as I can find another car for him. I have the original title, window sticker with the dealer addendum for the additional $5,091 for the Pro-Am 1 package. This car was first delivered to Trotter Pontiac in Chattanooga, then sent to Chattanooga Customs to be modified and then was sent to the delivering dealership at Currie Motors in Elgin Illinois where it spent its entire life until now. Its #51 of 100 produced... CAN YOU GIVE ME SOME IDEA OF ITS VALUE AND ITS COLLECTABILITY??? Thanks, Firehawk95
Re: READ ME! Before asking "Is my car rare/Desirable?"
We stripped just about everything off of that poor car, and them I had the shell hauled away about 2 months ago. Had to get rid of the thing, it made my back and neck hurt when I looked at it.
Re: READ ME! Before asking "Is my car rare/Desirable?"
I have seen documents saying that the polo green heritage package was only offered on 1992 RS camaros. I did not realize this until I saw JT's post about heritage packages on 05-20-2010. Also according to compnine there were only 40 Z03, 45u (med. green met.) covertible camaros made. so that makes mine rare, but is it at all desirable to anyone but me? It also came with leather RPO 642 and CD player U1C so compnine says 1 of 14. Any thoughts, I realize it's only an RS and only an L03 auto.
Re: READ ME! Before asking "Is my car rare/Desirable?"
The only V8 available in the regular RS was the L03, so you got the best available there. The color, leather, convertible, etc all make this a desirable car. Even if it is an RS. I looked at one almost identical in 1993 at a used dealership only it was a TTop car. The dealer wanted $14k at the time. It was a Heritage car also and looked very nice. Enjoy the car.
Re: READ ME! Before asking "Is my car rare/Desirable?"
I like the Green with the Gold stripes...
Its hard to say what whether or not it is desirable or not, There are so many levels to that statement, and to one person you might not be able to give it away, to another they would be delighted with it at almost any price...
If you like it, then that's what is important, however if your trying to sell it... that's completely different
__________________ 87 FORMULA - 5.1 LB9/A4 T-tops 3.73 Modified (Yellow/Black)
87 FORMULA - 5.0 LB9/M5 T-tops 3.45 (Yellow/Gray)
89 FORMULA 350 - CONVERTIBLE 3.27 All original (Red/Gray) www.3rdgenformula.com
Re: READ ME! Before asking "Is my car rare/Desirable?"
I also have a 1990 (12/89) according to the door. I love this website, I just went and checked. I have a 1990 (isn't on any of the lists) but we are curious about it. We have owned is since 1998. It is maui blue, t-tops, 305 v8, LO3, all power. It has 90,000 miles on it. I have tried to research how many were made and can't seem to track it down. Any info on this car would be appreciated. Thank you!
Thank you!! That was a great website. I was already on there from a link that I found on here, but didn't realize you could put your rpo's in. From what I put in, there were supposedly (sp) 300 of mine made. Great to know. Thanks again!
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Re: READ ME! Before asking "Is my car rare/Desirable?"
I just used that link for rpo check and was surprised to whittle it down to 1.
when I put my am/fm radio cassette code it goes zero....
Answer: Of the 3,863 vehicles in our database matching the year and model, 1 have all of those rpo codes.
got me thinking how much different the cars that looked like mines were with alternative options.
It was too easy to get it that low. I'm guessing my car is not that rare.
Re: READ ME! Before asking "Is my car rare/Desirable?"
That's because you have a Canadian vehicle. It isn't until 1990 do they have nearly complete records for both Canadian and US. Any vehicle prior to 1990 is basically isolated to the Canadian market - which is a slim amount of overall production.
So, your example, they have a total of 3,863 VINs for the 1984 Third Gen Firebird Trans Am. That's substantially less than complete, which is why you aren't getting an accurate gauge as to how common your 1984 Third Gen Trans AM is.
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Originally Posted by astrosurfer
I just used that link for rpo check and was surprised to whittle it down to 1.
when I put my am/fm radio cassette code it goes zero....
Answer: Of the 3,863 vehicles in our database matching the year and model, 1 have all of those rpo codes.
got me thinking how much different the cars that looked like mines were with alternative options.
It was too easy to get it that low. I'm guessing my car is not that rare.
Re: READ ME! Before asking "Is my car rare/Desirable?"
Honestly even when you look into the 1990's which is the only complete year, the data is rather interesting. The fact is you may have one of 3, but why? There may be hundreds of cars out there that are technically identical, but for the RPO codes. It appears that there are several RPO's that actually indicate cars that were made either in the first week, or second week, or 51st week etc, Then you have several RPO's for Fleet vehicles, or whatever that acutally take the car down in number... Interestingly I would not be surprised to find that if you take the 1989 TTA's, there are probably more of those cars that are identical than any other model for any other year. There were only a limited number of options on the TTA, They were All white, they all had the same color interior, the only options was T-tops and Leather... and 3 were made into a convertible, There may have been some other little options, but thats about it.
__________________ 87 FORMULA - 5.1 LB9/A4 T-tops 3.73 Modified (Yellow/Black)
87 FORMULA - 5.0 LB9/M5 T-tops 3.45 (Yellow/Gray)
89 FORMULA 350 - CONVERTIBLE 3.27 All original (Red/Gray) www.3rdgenformula.com
Re: READ ME! Before asking "Is my car rare/Desirable?"
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Originally Posted by okfoz
Interestingly I would not be surprised to find that if you take the 1989 TTA's, there are probably more of those cars that are identical than any other model for any other year. There were only a limited number of options on the TTA, They were All white, they all had the same color interior, the only options was T-tops and Leather... and 3 were made into a convertible, There may have been some other little options, but thats about it.
There were 14 additional Regular Production Option Codes for the TTA's.
Not counting the Leather, Cloth, Hardtop or T-Top RPO's.
Such as California Emission Requirement, State of New York Waiver, Box-Storage Cassette Tape and the other 11.
These RPO's varied from 1 to 897 of the number of cars that they were assigned.
Re: READ ME! Before asking "Is my car rare/Desirable?"
is an 85 camaro with the quartz clock technically rare only 809 had them but id assume most base models got them and i got an iroc so i wonder how many irocs got em. also is there a count on how many had l/s interior?
Re: READ ME! Before asking "Is my car rare/Desirable?"
Rare... maybe, desireable... who knows. I do not think at this point in time anyone would be going out of their way to find a Camaro with a Quartz clock... It would be a take it or leave it option, Its like an AM radio in 1989, they were made, but who really wants it?
It would depend on the buyer.
John
__________________ 87 FORMULA - 5.1 LB9/A4 T-tops 3.73 Modified (Yellow/Black)
87 FORMULA - 5.0 LB9/M5 T-tops 3.45 (Yellow/Gray)
89 FORMULA 350 - CONVERTIBLE 3.27 All original (Red/Gray) www.3rdgenformula.com
Re: READ ME! Before asking "Is my car rare/Desirable?"
1 (1992) SLP Firehawk T-top
This car, the second on your list, belongs to a friend of mine. He drives it to work now and again. He said it was a rare car, I just didn't realize how right he was.
Re: READ ME! Before asking "Is my car rare/Desirable?"
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Originally Posted by 1987 T/A GTA
is an 85 camaro with the quartz clock technically rare only 809 had them but id assume most base models got them and i got an iroc so i wonder how many irocs got em. also is there a count on how many had l/s interior?
I found an 85 camaro with the clock in a junkyard this month and took the upper console. I grabbed it because i'm trying out a cup holder installation and that already had a hole in the right spot. (I'm using it to experiment with before cutting up my mint upper console with no holes). I held on to the quartz clock figuring someone might be looking for one for a restoration at some point.
What a strange place that was to put a clock! you have to take your head away from the road and look straight down to your right and read an analog clock... why did they do this??? Did the stereo not have a built in clock at the time? wouldn't it make more sense to be mounted on the dash somewhere?
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The 85 Z28 I just picked up has a mint quartz clock that works and no cracks. If you want a pic, let me know.
__________________ 85 White z28 with red/black interior, 305 4 barrel (LG4) , 42k miles, No power options, no factory radio! Plan to keep stock, no mods.
Re: READ ME! Before asking "Is my car rare/Desirable?"
I really like this site since I've always driven 3rd gens. I am just starting to rebuild a 1982 Trans Am I wrecked January first 2000 and didn't realize some rarety till I started looking for parts. Like an idiot I got rid of the pmd seats long ago because they needed redone and broke one of the Knight rider wheels but it isn't too bad because I had an extra set. Does anyone know how many 82 TA's came with the Super T10 4 speed or how many cars had a rear wiper and washer. I am just wondering because the defroster messed up but the wiper and washer nozzle still work perfect and I can't find a deck with the wiper whole anywhere. I guess I might have to swap windows. Sorry if any of this info was already on here if I missed it.
Brett
There were 70008 Camaros made in 1992, where I got the numbers only has 3465 Convertibles and 59850 Hard tops/T-top cars, Therefore there are 6693 cars missing from the database for 1992, only 1990 is it complete in the database... The numbers are as close as we can get, But since its not complete, I did not feel that it was as accurate as it should be...
Re: READ ME! Before asking "Is my car rare/Desirable?"
wow.. i bought my first car 4 years ago; a nearly mint 92 L98 Trans Am for $700 because the fuel pump was out and the guy said it was too hard to fix.. and i sold it for 2200 after fixing it.. im truely upset, wow!! sh!#-fu(k-dam^ !!
Re: READ ME! Before asking "Is my car rare/Desirable?"
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Originally Posted by faster1k
wow.. i bought my first car 4 years ago; a nearly mint 92 L98 Trans Am for $700 because the fuel pump was out and the guy said it was too hard to fix.. and i sold it for 2200 after fixing it.. im truely upset, wow!! sh!#-fu(k-dam^ !!
is 190 built considered rare?
Live and learn, Its one of those things, I have done the same thing with an 87 Formula 350, Bought it fo4 $700 and sold it for $2200... It had 150K on it, but it was still a Formula 350...
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Hey there from Australia. I Have just purcased a 1987 350 TPI L98 iroc z28 t/top... Do you know how many were made in dark metalic red with red interior,How do I find out how many of these were produced in 1987 ? Benny
Re: READ ME! Before asking "Is my car rare/Desirable?"
OK,we have a 1991 GTA with the 305TPI auto with T-Tops.
but what i think makes it odd and rare and probably not that desirable but just looking for opinions.
it has the performance package deleted,and was set to current product engineering when new,for the first 1000 miles and then sold off at auction.
so in a nutshell the only option it really has is T-Tops and the GTA package without the rear disc brakes,duel cats and oil cooler.
i have the factory invoice from GM to back up the way it was ordered.
it is also an early build date of 3/90
Last edited by ta collector; 01-30-2011 at 05:25 PM.
Re: READ ME! Before asking "Is my car rare/Desirable?"
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Originally Posted by ta collector
OK,we have a 1991 GTA with the 305TPI auto with T-Tops.
but what i think makes it odd and rare and probably not that desirable but just looking for opinions.
it has the performance package deleted,and was set to current product engineering when new,for the first 1000 miles and then sold off at auction.
so in a nutshell the only option it really has is T-Tops and the GTA package without the rear disc brakes,duel cats and oil cooler.
i have the factory invoice from GM to back up the way it was ordered.
it is also an early build date of 3/90
LOL, that describes my 1991 GTA perfectly. 305, AT, t-tops, single cat, 2.73 rear end. IMHO it's the least desirable GTA and it's not rare because most 305 AT GTAs came equipped like that.
Re: READ ME! Before asking "Is my car rare/Desirable?"
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Originally Posted by AmorgetRS
LOL, that describes my 1991 GTA perfectly. 305, AT, t-tops, single cat, 2.73 rear end. IMHO it's the least desirable GTA and it's not rare because most 305 AT GTAs came equipped like that.
thats cool,was not planning on it being very rare,because it is a low mile car in super nice condition,just was curious is all.
what color was yours?,ours is bright red with beechwood cloth.
Last edited by ta collector; 01-30-2011 at 08:54 PM.
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thanks for all the great info. i bought a 90' iroc z a little over a week ago, the lady who sold it was going to scrap it the next day. we have our hands full for sure on this project but so excited. this is a very helpful site and we will most defiantly be here alot for parts, info and what not. :-)
Re: READ ME! Before asking "Is my car rare/Desirable?"
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Originally Posted by IdreamPMD
I see 1988 GTA L98 listed twice. 6,913 U.S. hard top GTA L98 and 10,793 Formula, GTA & T.A. L98. I'm a little confused, can you explain?
Sure...
The data is what it is, The 6,913 number is from Frankie Rider's www.gtasourcepage.com page and he got his information from PHS. That data only shows the cars which were sold in the US, and does not account for GTA's which were exported.
The 10,793 number is a total reported to Dealers from GM that did not break out the GTA, Formula and Trans Am. This number actually included Exported cars. I could not simply subtract the 6,913 from the 10,793 to get the remainder of 3,880 for Formula's and Trans Am's as it would be inaccurate.
There are a few examples of this actually on the list... The list is as good as I could create with the available information right now.
Ultimately you have
10,793 - TOTAL 350's installed in Firebirds
??? - Exported GTA's w/350
6913 GTA's Sold in the US w/350
Does that make sense?
John
__________________ 87 FORMULA - 5.1 LB9/A4 T-tops 3.73 Modified (Yellow/Black)
87 FORMULA - 5.0 LB9/M5 T-tops 3.45 (Yellow/Gray)
89 FORMULA 350 - CONVERTIBLE 3.27 All original (Red/Gray) www.3rdgenformula.com
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URquick2respond.
Out of the 6,913 HT GTA's built in 1988, what might be considered the 3-5 Top Options to look for in the RPO codes to increase rarity. SOooo... much thanks for the reference to that GTAsourcepage.
Re: READ ME! Before asking "Is my car rare/Desirable?"
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Originally Posted by IdreamPMD
URquick2respond.
Out of the 6,913 HT GTA's built in 1988, what might be considered the 3-5 Top Options to look for in the RPO codes to increase rarity. SOooo... much thanks for the reference to that GTAsourcepage.
Frankie would be better to answer this... GTA's were pretty much loaded, and have everything from the get go. The major options were:
1) Digital Dash
2) Leather
3) Notchback
I really do not know if there were any other options on the GTA as everything else I think was standard.
Re: READ ME! Before asking "Is my car rare/Desirable?"
I ordered a copy of my dealer invoice for my 92 camaro from GM Media Archives and they sent along a copy of some production numbers and other info for 1992 Camaros. I don't know if this is the right place to post it or if it is already posted somewhere, but I thought I would share it if anyone was interested.
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I've been told that a 15th Anniversary T/A with a T5 borg warner 5 speed is pretty rare.. anyone know how correct that would be?
I've done some research myself, and found that only 500 were made with the 5 speed transmission. I'm assuming for a 20 something year old car that 500 is a pretty low number these days..
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Welcome to the boards.
The 15th anniversary TA in all original condition with the 5 speed is probably one of the more desired 1984's. You should have gotten the Recaro seating and the 5.0 HO engine, which is a nice addition, as well as 3.73 rear gears. You do not see many of them, some have been repainted without the blue stripes, other are just gone.
Personally I like the look it was unique... Even at the Trans Am nationals, in Dayton you do not seem many of them.... I do not recall seeing any last year, but I might be wrong, I was rather busy.
__________________ 87 FORMULA - 5.1 LB9/A4 T-tops 3.73 Modified (Yellow/Black)
87 FORMULA - 5.0 LB9/M5 T-tops 3.45 (Yellow/Gray)
89 FORMULA 350 - CONVERTIBLE 3.27 All original (Red/Gray) www.3rdgenformula.com
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Would you have any idea how many 1992 formula firebirds with LB9 and automatic hardtops were built? I didn't see it on your list. I realize it would be an estimate. Thanks
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Anyone have a round about estimate of 1985-1986 Trans Ams with digital dash? I patrol the web looking for them, and keep track of them in a record I've started. So far I have 3 on the list, all 1986s, I've never seen an 85 T/A w/ digital dash. One of the 86's on my list sits in my garage, so I'm curious just how rare they were.
85 White z28 with red/black interior, 305 4 barrel (LG4) , 42k miles, No power options, no factory radio! Plan to keep stock, no mods.
