Thinking of selling
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Thinking of selling
Wish there was a better place to put this, but there isn't, so here it is.
I've been thinking of letting go of my Camaro after fifteen years of ownership. I'm 30 years old, and have now had the car for half my life. It was my first car.
I don't know what to do with it.
I drive it maybe ten times a year, and pay $140 a month to store it year round and have been paying for storage since 2008. Paying for the storage isn't a big deal, but it's getting old because I can only access the car between certain hours which cuts down on my ability to drive it. Most storage places are the same though, unless I want to pay close to $200/month, which is asinine.
My wife and I are either going to buy a house next year, or move back overseas permanently a couple years from now, haven't decided which. If we buy a house here, 3 car garages are tough to find in our price range, considering we want a house that's done/flipped. Not a DIY'er, and it's probably cheaper to just buy a house that's already done, plus I don't have the time to fix up a house. Problem is the area we like is an area with older homes from the '50s/'60s where all the houses have detached 2 car garages. So while I could end paying storage on the Camaro, my daily would have to sit outside year round which just plain sucks, especially as each daily gets nicer than the last as I keep trading up. I could keep the Camaro in storage after I buy a house, but if I buy a house and live somewhere for 10-20-30 years, like hell I want to pay storage forever; part of the point of buying a house is to end having to pay storage and the hassle that goes with it.
Beyond that though, what do I do with a 25 year old 170 hp RS? From the looks of it I'll never be able to restore it from the ground up, and the biggest reason for this is the sheer lack of interior restoration parts. I don't see quality interior restoration parts on the horizon anytime soon. The car is plenty nice enough to keep as a turn key driver, which is what I have done, but at the same time it IS getting old and it's apparent when getting out of that and into my new daily. I don't see a lot of resto options for this car, probably just replacing parts as they wear out with junk aftermarket repop crap - whatever's available if I can't find a NOS part. And considering how much power today's cars make, I think cars from this era in general will just flat out get passed over from the perspective of resto companies. I could mod the car, but why bother? I still can't restore the interior, and I can go to the dealer and buy a car that wipes the floor with my RS in every respect anyway with a factory warranty, great drivability, and all that jazz.
The car drives beautifully and shows excellent for a five footer and only needs a few things. I would NOT take a penny less than somewhere in the $5k-$6k range since I don't need to sell, but let's face it - nobody interested in these cars will pay what I want, which also makes it a hassle…god knows I don't want some kid coming over to rag the **** out of my 170 hp car on a test drive then offer me $1500 because it isn't an IROC - want a $1500 IROC, then go buy one and get what you pay for and quit wasting my time. I can already see the hassle a sale would be.
Lastly, detailing three cars just plain sucks. There's always one staring at me with longing eyes for a detail.
Not sure what to do, it's just getting to the point where it's tough to see the point in keeping it.
I've been thinking of letting go of my Camaro after fifteen years of ownership. I'm 30 years old, and have now had the car for half my life. It was my first car.
I don't know what to do with it.
I drive it maybe ten times a year, and pay $140 a month to store it year round and have been paying for storage since 2008. Paying for the storage isn't a big deal, but it's getting old because I can only access the car between certain hours which cuts down on my ability to drive it. Most storage places are the same though, unless I want to pay close to $200/month, which is asinine.
My wife and I are either going to buy a house next year, or move back overseas permanently a couple years from now, haven't decided which. If we buy a house here, 3 car garages are tough to find in our price range, considering we want a house that's done/flipped. Not a DIY'er, and it's probably cheaper to just buy a house that's already done, plus I don't have the time to fix up a house. Problem is the area we like is an area with older homes from the '50s/'60s where all the houses have detached 2 car garages. So while I could end paying storage on the Camaro, my daily would have to sit outside year round which just plain sucks, especially as each daily gets nicer than the last as I keep trading up. I could keep the Camaro in storage after I buy a house, but if I buy a house and live somewhere for 10-20-30 years, like hell I want to pay storage forever; part of the point of buying a house is to end having to pay storage and the hassle that goes with it.
Beyond that though, what do I do with a 25 year old 170 hp RS? From the looks of it I'll never be able to restore it from the ground up, and the biggest reason for this is the sheer lack of interior restoration parts. I don't see quality interior restoration parts on the horizon anytime soon. The car is plenty nice enough to keep as a turn key driver, which is what I have done, but at the same time it IS getting old and it's apparent when getting out of that and into my new daily. I don't see a lot of resto options for this car, probably just replacing parts as they wear out with junk aftermarket repop crap - whatever's available if I can't find a NOS part. And considering how much power today's cars make, I think cars from this era in general will just flat out get passed over from the perspective of resto companies. I could mod the car, but why bother? I still can't restore the interior, and I can go to the dealer and buy a car that wipes the floor with my RS in every respect anyway with a factory warranty, great drivability, and all that jazz.
The car drives beautifully and shows excellent for a five footer and only needs a few things. I would NOT take a penny less than somewhere in the $5k-$6k range since I don't need to sell, but let's face it - nobody interested in these cars will pay what I want, which also makes it a hassle…god knows I don't want some kid coming over to rag the **** out of my 170 hp car on a test drive then offer me $1500 because it isn't an IROC - want a $1500 IROC, then go buy one and get what you pay for and quit wasting my time. I can already see the hassle a sale would be.
Lastly, detailing three cars just plain sucks. There's always one staring at me with longing eyes for a detail.
Not sure what to do, it's just getting to the point where it's tough to see the point in keeping it.
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Re: Thinking of selling
Wish there was a better place to put this, but there isn't, so here it is.
I've been thinking of letting go of my Camaro after fifteen years of ownership. I'm 30 years old, and have now had the car for half my life. It was my first car.
I don't know what to do with it.
I drive it maybe ten times a year, and pay $140 a month to store it year round and have been paying for storage since 2008. Paying for the storage isn't a big deal, but it's getting old because I can only access the car between certain hours which cuts down on my ability to drive it. Most storage places are the same though, unless I want to pay close to $200/month, which is asinine.
My wife and I are either going to buy a house next year, or move back overseas permanently a couple years from now, haven't decided which. If we buy a house here, 3 car garages are tough to find in our price range, considering we want a house that's done/flipped. Not a DIY'er, and it's probably cheaper to just buy a house that's already done, plus I don't have the time to fix up a house. Problem is the area we like is an area with older homes from the '50s/'60s where all the houses have detached 2 car garages. So while I could end paying storage on the Camaro, my daily would have to sit outside year round which just plain sucks, especially as each daily gets nicer than the last as I keep trading up. I could keep the Camaro in storage after I buy a house, but if I buy a house and live somewhere for 10-20-30 years, like hell I want to pay storage forever; part of the point of buying a house is to end having to pay storage and the hassle that goes with it.
Beyond that though, what do I do with a 25 year old 170 hp RS? From the looks of it I'll never be able to restore it from the ground up, and the biggest reason for this is the sheer lack of interior restoration parts. I don't see quality interior restoration parts on the horizon anytime soon. The car is plenty nice enough to keep as a turn key driver, which is what I have done, but at the same time it IS getting old and it's apparent when getting out of that and into my new daily. I don't see a lot of resto options for this car, probably just replacing parts as they wear out with junk aftermarket repop crap - whatever's available if I can't find a NOS part. And considering how much power today's cars make, I think cars from this era in general will just flat out get passed over from the perspective of resto companies. I could mod the car, but why bother? I still can't restore the interior, and I can go to the dealer and buy a car that wipes the floor with my RS in every respect anyway with a factory warranty, great drivability, and all that jazz.
The car drives beautifully and shows excellent for a five footer and only needs a few things. I would NOT take a penny less than somewhere in the $5k-$6k range since I don't need to sell, but let's face it - nobody interested in these cars will pay what I want, which also makes it a hassle…god knows I don't want some kid coming over to rag the **** out of my 170 hp car on a test drive then offer me $1500 because it isn't an IROC - want a $1500 IROC, then go buy one and get what you pay for and quit wasting my time. I can already see the hassle a sale would be.
Lastly, detailing three cars just plain sucks. There's always one staring at me with longing eyes for a detail.
Not sure what to do, it's just getting to the point where it's tough to see the point in keeping it.
I've been thinking of letting go of my Camaro after fifteen years of ownership. I'm 30 years old, and have now had the car for half my life. It was my first car.
I don't know what to do with it.
I drive it maybe ten times a year, and pay $140 a month to store it year round and have been paying for storage since 2008. Paying for the storage isn't a big deal, but it's getting old because I can only access the car between certain hours which cuts down on my ability to drive it. Most storage places are the same though, unless I want to pay close to $200/month, which is asinine.
My wife and I are either going to buy a house next year, or move back overseas permanently a couple years from now, haven't decided which. If we buy a house here, 3 car garages are tough to find in our price range, considering we want a house that's done/flipped. Not a DIY'er, and it's probably cheaper to just buy a house that's already done, plus I don't have the time to fix up a house. Problem is the area we like is an area with older homes from the '50s/'60s where all the houses have detached 2 car garages. So while I could end paying storage on the Camaro, my daily would have to sit outside year round which just plain sucks, especially as each daily gets nicer than the last as I keep trading up. I could keep the Camaro in storage after I buy a house, but if I buy a house and live somewhere for 10-20-30 years, like hell I want to pay storage forever; part of the point of buying a house is to end having to pay storage and the hassle that goes with it.
Beyond that though, what do I do with a 25 year old 170 hp RS? From the looks of it I'll never be able to restore it from the ground up, and the biggest reason for this is the sheer lack of interior restoration parts. I don't see quality interior restoration parts on the horizon anytime soon. The car is plenty nice enough to keep as a turn key driver, which is what I have done, but at the same time it IS getting old and it's apparent when getting out of that and into my new daily. I don't see a lot of resto options for this car, probably just replacing parts as they wear out with junk aftermarket repop crap - whatever's available if I can't find a NOS part. And considering how much power today's cars make, I think cars from this era in general will just flat out get passed over from the perspective of resto companies. I could mod the car, but why bother? I still can't restore the interior, and I can go to the dealer and buy a car that wipes the floor with my RS in every respect anyway with a factory warranty, great drivability, and all that jazz.
The car drives beautifully and shows excellent for a five footer and only needs a few things. I would NOT take a penny less than somewhere in the $5k-$6k range since I don't need to sell, but let's face it - nobody interested in these cars will pay what I want, which also makes it a hassle…god knows I don't want some kid coming over to rag the **** out of my 170 hp car on a test drive then offer me $1500 because it isn't an IROC - want a $1500 IROC, then go buy one and get what you pay for and quit wasting my time. I can already see the hassle a sale would be.
Lastly, detailing three cars just plain sucks. There's always one staring at me with longing eyes for a detail.
Not sure what to do, it's just getting to the point where it's tough to see the point in keeping it.
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Re: Thinking of selling
Sounds like outside forces are making your decision. Do you still get enjoyment when you take it out? If it seems like a hassle to get the car out and kept clean then you have probably have lost Interest and are probably better off selling. If you enjoy the time you do get to drive and be around the car then finding an alternative to paid storage will probably be your best bet. You could have an enclosed storage area build for the car reasonably affordable and avoid payments.
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Re: Thinking of selling
Seems like you want to get rid of it, but yet want a pile of $$ for it...and probably not worth what you want.
So..
"For Sale Best Offer"
Or
Ebay
Good luck.
So..
"For Sale Best Offer"
Or
Ebay
Good luck.
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Re: Thinking of selling
I've struggled with selling my 92 GTA a few times over my past 14yrs of ownership. In the end, I just couldn't let her go. Part was emotional, well, most I guess, but some was also the fact I could never find another to replace her, so rarity did come into play. I think for sure if it had been a base model like yours, I would have let her go.
Good luck with your decision whatever it may be
Good luck with your decision whatever it may be
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Re: Thinking of selling
I have had my '87 Trans Am (my first car) since I was 17, nearly half my life, as well. I completely understand the storage game, too.
That being said, I would never part with it... Even though I drive it rarely, I still get that stupid grin every time I take it out, and it takes me back to a different place... It's still my favorite (and for the Audi comment above, I do drive an A4 daily with all the bells and whistles; I still prefer driving either of my thirdgens...)
Storage is a pain; anyone who does it knows it... But I'd rather store it than sell it any day... It's for the love of the hobby, not for the financial sense that it does or doesn't make...
That being said, I would never part with it... Even though I drive it rarely, I still get that stupid grin every time I take it out, and it takes me back to a different place... It's still my favorite (and for the Audi comment above, I do drive an A4 daily with all the bells and whistles; I still prefer driving either of my thirdgens...)
Storage is a pain; anyone who does it knows it... But I'd rather store it than sell it any day... It's for the love of the hobby, not for the financial sense that it does or doesn't make...
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I probably made it like it sounds more about storage than anything, which is my mistake. The storage is a hassle for sure in the fact it limits how much I can drive it, but the price isn't a huge deal and I've managed to keep the car through high school, college, living abroad, getting married, etc.
It's more about what I can do with the car in the future. At some point it will just need to be taken off the road, rebuilt, repainted, and restored - I don't think it can be just a turn key cruiser forever, even though I've done a great job of keeping it exactly that.
At the end of the day it comes down to parts and a lack of them. The aftermarket kind of blows for these cars to be honest, but it's more the stock/resto parts I just can't get. I cannot get quality seat foams, seat upholstery, or door panels. Or nice molded carpet for that matter either. Plastics show up here and there, dash pads too. Headliner material can only be a close match, not exact. There's no Legendary interior for these cars and I suspect there never will be, unfortunately.
I won't do a custom interior in the car as that really takes away from the old feel of the car - I always hate seeing a muscle car with a custom, modern interior. But I can't restore it either. The interior looks great and is in fantastic shape for the mileage with no wear, but there most certainly is sun fading and a lot of miles of seat time on the seat foams; my interior looks fine on its own, until it's parked next to a 10k mile car, and then it's apparent its a high mile car.
I've got a pile of NOS parts I've been amassing for the last 4-5 years, but I'm still really limited in any attempt to restore the car, and I think it should be more than just a turn key cruiser forever. Sadly though, if $5k for this 2 owner unmolested car is considered a "pile of money" and not worth it within our own community, then these cars have a pretty hopeless future:
It's more about what I can do with the car in the future. At some point it will just need to be taken off the road, rebuilt, repainted, and restored - I don't think it can be just a turn key cruiser forever, even though I've done a great job of keeping it exactly that.
At the end of the day it comes down to parts and a lack of them. The aftermarket kind of blows for these cars to be honest, but it's more the stock/resto parts I just can't get. I cannot get quality seat foams, seat upholstery, or door panels. Or nice molded carpet for that matter either. Plastics show up here and there, dash pads too. Headliner material can only be a close match, not exact. There's no Legendary interior for these cars and I suspect there never will be, unfortunately.
I won't do a custom interior in the car as that really takes away from the old feel of the car - I always hate seeing a muscle car with a custom, modern interior. But I can't restore it either. The interior looks great and is in fantastic shape for the mileage with no wear, but there most certainly is sun fading and a lot of miles of seat time on the seat foams; my interior looks fine on its own, until it's parked next to a 10k mile car, and then it's apparent its a high mile car.
I've got a pile of NOS parts I've been amassing for the last 4-5 years, but I'm still really limited in any attempt to restore the car, and I think it should be more than just a turn key cruiser forever. Sadly though, if $5k for this 2 owner unmolested car is considered a "pile of money" and not worth it within our own community, then these cars have a pretty hopeless future:
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Re: Thinking of selling
Now that we know where your head is at with the situation I would still say keep the car. Yes the aftermarket part selection for third gens kind of sucks but it will get better. In the 3-4 years I have owned my 86 I have seen the aftermarket parts business expand for third gens pretty well. Shift plates, horn buttons, ground effect pieces are just a few of the pieces not avaliable when I first got into third gens but are now avaliable. The quality part will need some work. Any car (chevelles, novas, impalas, etc) has their fair share of inferior products next to the quality pieces. A push for quality reproductions is necessary to get the quality higher and not allow just poor quality pieces to continue to be the only option.
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Do what the rest of us do with a 2-car garage + wife. Park your daily in the driveway. My 2004 Mazda 3 does not mind being outside in the snow. In fact, it loves it.
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Re: Thinking of selling
Get a lift.
For the cost of 1 to 2 years storage, you can get a lift and stack your Camaro over your daily driver.
For the cost of 1 to 2 years storage, you can get a lift and stack your Camaro over your daily driver.
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I probably made it like it sounds more about storage than anything, which is my mistake. The storage is a hassle for sure in the fact it limits how much I can drive it, but the price isn't a huge deal and I've managed to keep the car through high school, college, living abroad, getting married, etc.
It's more about what I can do with the car in the future. At some point it will just need to be taken off the road, rebuilt, repainted, and restored - I don't think it can be just a turn key cruiser forever, even though I've done a great job of keeping it exactly that.
At the end of the day it comes down to parts and a lack of them. The aftermarket kind of blows for these cars to be honest, but it's more the stock/resto parts I just can't get. I cannot get quality seat foams, seat upholstery, or door panels. Or nice molded carpet for that matter either. Plastics show up here and there, dash pads too. Headliner material can only be a close match, not exact. There's no Legendary interior for these cars and I suspect there never will be, unfortunately.
I won't do a custom interior in the car as that really takes away from the old feel of the car - I always hate seeing a muscle car with a custom, modern interior. But I can't restore it either. The interior looks great and is in fantastic shape for the mileage with no wear, but there most certainly is sun fading and a lot of miles of seat time on the seat foams; my interior looks fine on its own, until it's parked next to a 10k mile car, and then it's apparent its a high mile car.
I've got a pile of NOS parts I've been amassing for the last 4-5 years, but I'm still really limited in any attempt to restore the car, and I think it should be more than just a turn key cruiser forever. Sadly though, if $5k for this 2 owner unmolested car is considered a "pile of money" and not worth it within our own community, then these cars have a pretty hopeless future:
It's more about what I can do with the car in the future. At some point it will just need to be taken off the road, rebuilt, repainted, and restored - I don't think it can be just a turn key cruiser forever, even though I've done a great job of keeping it exactly that.
At the end of the day it comes down to parts and a lack of them. The aftermarket kind of blows for these cars to be honest, but it's more the stock/resto parts I just can't get. I cannot get quality seat foams, seat upholstery, or door panels. Or nice molded carpet for that matter either. Plastics show up here and there, dash pads too. Headliner material can only be a close match, not exact. There's no Legendary interior for these cars and I suspect there never will be, unfortunately.
I won't do a custom interior in the car as that really takes away from the old feel of the car - I always hate seeing a muscle car with a custom, modern interior. But I can't restore it either. The interior looks great and is in fantastic shape for the mileage with no wear, but there most certainly is sun fading and a lot of miles of seat time on the seat foams; my interior looks fine on its own, until it's parked next to a 10k mile car, and then it's apparent its a high mile car.
I've got a pile of NOS parts I've been amassing for the last 4-5 years, but I'm still really limited in any attempt to restore the car, and I think it should be more than just a turn key cruiser forever. Sadly though, if $5k for this 2 owner unmolested car is considered a "pile of money" and not worth it within our own community, then these cars have a pretty hopeless future:
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Re: Thinking of selling
Interior is still mint, but paint has gone to he ll......think is has about 123K and change on it.
Even with a paint job (done correctly), I don't think it'd be a 5K car.
Your RS with a 305...kinda limits the audience (IMO)..unless you find a buyer "who had one just like that...".
Now, that said, everything is rebuildable...
But it takes effort and time...i/e you mentioned the headliner and door panels...if you do some studying up on how to make your own, or fix up what you have...you can do it.
Heck...let's take say a '55 Chevy ...You have many choices here...
Pay an upholsterer big bucks to redo the seat.
Buy a kit and do it your self
Or get a HD sewing machine and some material and get after it.
What I am saying, if you have the will, then there is a way...just depends on how you feel about the car and how much money and/or time you are willing to put into it in the future.
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Re: Thinking of selling
Everybody is different. No two people are entirely the same.
I'd never move out of USA. My Country. I'd never again sell my first or favorite Camaro.
I sold my first Camaro, an '87 IROC-Z Dark Red Metallic hardtop, and regret it to this day while still hoping to find it someday and keep it forever.
My favorite 3rd gen Camaro is the one I've owned the longest, it is my second Camaro I've owned, the '92 Z28. I'll never sell it, not because it's rare, limited production or the last beastly hurrah of the 3rd gens, but mostly because I have an emotional attachment to it.
Even though I haven't driven it in a while and put it in storage in my garage due to budget and gas prices and needing some tlc. Whenever I need good parts I get them from ClassicIndustries.com located here in Huntington Beach, CA. They're expensive as hell, 100+ for a new leather console cover. 300+ for new console. 400+ for new seats kit. 150+ for new headliner. $80 for a leather wrapped automatic shifter ****, 400+ for a new steering wheel. Etc. But Here we're used to the cost of living and parts. So it's not that big of a deal if you just save up for it. I put my Z28 on non operating status so no smog or insurance or dmv registration to pay ever until the day I decide to put it back on the road again. I'll always keep it, regardless of girlfriends, wives, kids. houses, etc. As a matter of fact, even more reason / excuse to keep it i'll have if I have kids, because I'll want them to have this beast one day when all new cars will run on electricity and 3rd gens are all but forgotten like 1930s cars are today. They'll be able to know what a true gas guzzler and how awesome the last 3rd Gen Z28 was when I was growing up.
I'd never move out of USA. My Country. I'd never again sell my first or favorite Camaro.
I sold my first Camaro, an '87 IROC-Z Dark Red Metallic hardtop, and regret it to this day while still hoping to find it someday and keep it forever.
My favorite 3rd gen Camaro is the one I've owned the longest, it is my second Camaro I've owned, the '92 Z28. I'll never sell it, not because it's rare, limited production or the last beastly hurrah of the 3rd gens, but mostly because I have an emotional attachment to it.
Even though I haven't driven it in a while and put it in storage in my garage due to budget and gas prices and needing some tlc. Whenever I need good parts I get them from ClassicIndustries.com located here in Huntington Beach, CA. They're expensive as hell, 100+ for a new leather console cover. 300+ for new console. 400+ for new seats kit. 150+ for new headliner. $80 for a leather wrapped automatic shifter ****, 400+ for a new steering wheel. Etc. But Here we're used to the cost of living and parts. So it's not that big of a deal if you just save up for it. I put my Z28 on non operating status so no smog or insurance or dmv registration to pay ever until the day I decide to put it back on the road again. I'll always keep it, regardless of girlfriends, wives, kids. houses, etc. As a matter of fact, even more reason / excuse to keep it i'll have if I have kids, because I'll want them to have this beast one day when all new cars will run on electricity and 3rd gens are all but forgotten like 1930s cars are today. They'll be able to know what a true gas guzzler and how awesome the last 3rd Gen Z28 was when I was growing up.
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Re: Thinking of selling
My other car is an Infiniti...a Very fast Infiniti. Even with all of the luxury & all the speed... it is, and always will be, just a car !
Take some advise from an old car guy (61). You have a GREAT looking Camaro RS that you have owned since you were old enough to drive. With your RS you must have a life time of memories from high school, college & getting married. The kind of stories that you'll be telling your kids/grandkids.(just the clean stories) . My first car was a '67 Olds 442 Vert. 16th Birthday gift from the parents. Sold it after college. That was 36 years ago. To this day.. that has been one of the biggest regrets in my life.
Get collector car insurance like Hagerty, J.C. Taylor, etc. For $10,000. 'agreed value' it should run you about $175. per year.
Find some old person that lives around you that has a 2 car garage, but only has 1 car. They would Love to make $50 bucks a month to share 1/2 of their garage.
Classic Industries has tons of 3rd Gen parts. A 855 page catalog just for Camaros, or online www.ClassicIndustries.com 1-800-854-1280.
Don't compare your RS to a 10K mile Camaro... and NEVER park next to one.
Good Luck with your decision... It's a tough one.
Rod
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Take some advise from an old car guy (61). You have a GREAT looking Camaro RS that you have owned since you were old enough to drive. With your RS you must have a life time of memories from high school, college & getting married. The kind of stories that you'll be telling your kids/grandkids.(just the clean stories) . My first car was a '67 Olds 442 Vert. 16th Birthday gift from the parents. Sold it after college. That was 36 years ago. To this day.. that has been one of the biggest regrets in my life.
Get collector car insurance like Hagerty, J.C. Taylor, etc. For $10,000. 'agreed value' it should run you about $175. per year.
Find some old person that lives around you that has a 2 car garage, but only has 1 car. They would Love to make $50 bucks a month to share 1/2 of their garage.
Classic Industries has tons of 3rd Gen parts. A 855 page catalog just for Camaros, or online www.ClassicIndustries.com 1-800-854-1280.
Don't compare your RS to a 10K mile Camaro... and NEVER park next to one.
Good Luck with your decision... It's a tough one.
Rod
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Re: Thinking of selling
We're the kind that if we have an emotional attachment to a car we keep it for sentimental reasons or just for the memories of a loved who's passed.
My father got a 1976 Trans Am 400 as a high school graduation present from my grandfather and grandmother, drove it until 1986 when he parked it, never been driven since, still got it, but it will need a good restoration to get it running, since it sat in the backyard of my grandfathers house all this time since then exposed to the elements under a big tree giving half of it some shade.
Grandpa passed on in 2007, heart attack and collapsed lung from smoking all his life. He got diagnosed with COPD and Emphysema and lasted only 1 year after diagnosis. He had a 1981 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Brougham hardtop in Burgundy, top of the line Olds, but it was only a 231ci buick V6, and when everything he owned went up into Probate, I fought tooth and nail to keep it. And it wasn't because it was an 80s Gm car or because it was an olds or because it had a V6 which would have been a reason to not give a hoot about it under normal circumstances, but it was because I had memories of him with that car, and memories of me when I was 8 years old and Dad was working and he would come pick me up in it and take me to Home Depot to buy tools, just me and him. And for being a V6 he drove it and made it scream like it was a V8.
I have His olds now, along with Dads Trans Am stored in a safe place. And sometime in the future, I'll fix them both up.
My father got a 1976 Trans Am 400 as a high school graduation present from my grandfather and grandmother, drove it until 1986 when he parked it, never been driven since, still got it, but it will need a good restoration to get it running, since it sat in the backyard of my grandfathers house all this time since then exposed to the elements under a big tree giving half of it some shade.
Grandpa passed on in 2007, heart attack and collapsed lung from smoking all his life. He got diagnosed with COPD and Emphysema and lasted only 1 year after diagnosis. He had a 1981 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Brougham hardtop in Burgundy, top of the line Olds, but it was only a 231ci buick V6, and when everything he owned went up into Probate, I fought tooth and nail to keep it. And it wasn't because it was an 80s Gm car or because it was an olds or because it had a V6 which would have been a reason to not give a hoot about it under normal circumstances, but it was because I had memories of him with that car, and memories of me when I was 8 years old and Dad was working and he would come pick me up in it and take me to Home Depot to buy tools, just me and him. And for being a V6 he drove it and made it scream like it was a V8.
I have His olds now, along with Dads Trans Am stored in a safe place. And sometime in the future, I'll fix them both up.
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Re: Thinking of selling
Quick note:
I have read your posts in the past and I get the idea that you've had it a while and have a decent history with it so I would keep it from that alone. It sounds like you have put forth a lot of effort in collecting parts for it. Prices have just started to go up even though a lot of people haven't noticed it. You have a car in a low production year with a really cool color – don't sell it.
There's a local Camaro club that might interest you. They already had a cruise and other get together and I was thinking if you had it out a little more with others that have the same interest you might change your mind. Car Craft is coming up and you could maybe join and park with them? Dunno, just throwing it out there.
OEM parts are hard to find in good condition and people want to pay bottom price on everything. People that have attained decent parts aren't as likely to let them go for the same reasons you're considering when you're going to sell the car (hassle/lowballers etc.). This also reflects to the after-market parts industry that must reflect what the majority is looking for so they can survive financially. My thinking is that as the value of our cars increase so will the quality of the parts. If the value of the car is say $30k, then owners are more likely to pay higher prices for parts. Remember these cars sold new for $15k or higher when new, and that was in the 1980's. There are also some decent upholsterers and foam supply companies that you could check out for the interior issues. They may even have connections to fabric or could try to professionally match the colors/texture etc.
The storage is crazy money though, I would check out something else just make sure it's free from mice and/or water. You don't really want the daily drivers in the garage until the coldest days as the increased heat will promote rust. They're using different chemicals now and have noticed an increase in how fast the underside of my winter cars are corroding.
I would maybe change the cam on the 305, I've read a few articles saying you should be able to get something closer to 300hp with modest modifications and it can still be close to stock. Just save the other parts in a box in case someone wants it if you do sell. Sell nationally if you do, that's probably the only way you'll find a buyer that will appreciate this car. I've always liked it ever since I noticed it here.
Good thing I didn't have a lot of time for a reply.
I have read your posts in the past and I get the idea that you've had it a while and have a decent history with it so I would keep it from that alone. It sounds like you have put forth a lot of effort in collecting parts for it. Prices have just started to go up even though a lot of people haven't noticed it. You have a car in a low production year with a really cool color – don't sell it.
There's a local Camaro club that might interest you. They already had a cruise and other get together and I was thinking if you had it out a little more with others that have the same interest you might change your mind. Car Craft is coming up and you could maybe join and park with them? Dunno, just throwing it out there.
OEM parts are hard to find in good condition and people want to pay bottom price on everything. People that have attained decent parts aren't as likely to let them go for the same reasons you're considering when you're going to sell the car (hassle/lowballers etc.). This also reflects to the after-market parts industry that must reflect what the majority is looking for so they can survive financially. My thinking is that as the value of our cars increase so will the quality of the parts. If the value of the car is say $30k, then owners are more likely to pay higher prices for parts. Remember these cars sold new for $15k or higher when new, and that was in the 1980's. There are also some decent upholsterers and foam supply companies that you could check out for the interior issues. They may even have connections to fabric or could try to professionally match the colors/texture etc.
The storage is crazy money though, I would check out something else just make sure it's free from mice and/or water. You don't really want the daily drivers in the garage until the coldest days as the increased heat will promote rust. They're using different chemicals now and have noticed an increase in how fast the underside of my winter cars are corroding.
I would maybe change the cam on the 305, I've read a few articles saying you should be able to get something closer to 300hp with modest modifications and it can still be close to stock. Just save the other parts in a box in case someone wants it if you do sell. Sell nationally if you do, that's probably the only way you'll find a buyer that will appreciate this car. I've always liked it ever since I noticed it here.
Good thing I didn't have a lot of time for a reply.
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Re: Thinking of selling
In all honesty, I have several cars I am considering selling,
My Formula 350 Convertible, although it is the most fun to drive I have no gumption to get it redone
And I have 2 87 Yellow LB9/M5 Formulas one T-top (more for parts) and one Hard Top that I have considered letting go.
I would have to hold onto my first 87 Formula that is probably the least valuable.
It is to the point where I do not have time to enjoy them anymore.
John
My Formula 350 Convertible, although it is the most fun to drive I have no gumption to get it redone
And I have 2 87 Yellow LB9/M5 Formulas one T-top (more for parts) and one Hard Top that I have considered letting go.
I would have to hold onto my first 87 Formula that is probably the least valuable.
It is to the point where I do not have time to enjoy them anymore.
John
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Puma, I think your car is worth more than where you put it at based on the pictures.
I've been thinking of selling mine, but for different reasons. I enjoy my car too much, but the car I bought is the type of car that loses value every time it leaves a sealed garage. In the almost 4 years of ownership, I've taken the mileage from 11000 to about 22000. While I've maintained it and avoided bad weather conditions, I've added a few rock chips and some extra sun fade to the plastic bits on the exterior (GFX, etc.). I took it down the eighth-mile drag a month ago with a Grand National Club.
I try to tell myself it's just a car and there's always a more original, better condition, low mile car popping up out there. In the past month, I saw a 20k mile TTA and a 22k mile LB9 T5 Jamaica Yellow GTA 'vert. Both were in impeccable condition. There are probably many more "barn cars" out there waiting to come out of preservation and go to the auction block. But I can't fathom bringing my car to the point where it's a worn out car needing a full restoration.
Probably should have bought somebody's resto-mod or LSx/T56 car. Also, the Chevy SS will have a manual for 2015... and it will take a baby seat much better than a 20 year old original cloth interior. We'll see...
I've been thinking of selling mine, but for different reasons. I enjoy my car too much, but the car I bought is the type of car that loses value every time it leaves a sealed garage. In the almost 4 years of ownership, I've taken the mileage from 11000 to about 22000. While I've maintained it and avoided bad weather conditions, I've added a few rock chips and some extra sun fade to the plastic bits on the exterior (GFX, etc.). I took it down the eighth-mile drag a month ago with a Grand National Club.
I try to tell myself it's just a car and there's always a more original, better condition, low mile car popping up out there. In the past month, I saw a 20k mile TTA and a 22k mile LB9 T5 Jamaica Yellow GTA 'vert. Both were in impeccable condition. There are probably many more "barn cars" out there waiting to come out of preservation and go to the auction block. But I can't fathom bringing my car to the point where it's a worn out car needing a full restoration.
Probably should have bought somebody's resto-mod or LSx/T56 car. Also, the Chevy SS will have a manual for 2015... and it will take a baby seat much better than a 20 year old original cloth interior. We'll see...
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Re: Thinking of selling
Guys, I've added miles to my car also, but I own the car to enjoy it. At this point, I don't care about the mileage any more. It was more fun taking my 14 year old son on the 3500 mile Hot Rod Power Tour a few years ago than it is to have the car sitting in the garage. He's 16 now, has his own permit and will be going to college in a couple years. What happens if I don't make it a few more years? My son would have memories of all of those weekends of the car in the garage!!!
If you have the car, enjoy it. If your only form of enjoyment is keeping it low mile, then pay for the storage and go look at it from time to time. My car sits in the garage and doesn't even have a car cover on it anymore. It's quicker to get it out and enjoy!!!
If you have the car, enjoy it. If your only form of enjoyment is keeping it low mile, then pay for the storage and go look at it from time to time. My car sits in the garage and doesn't even have a car cover on it anymore. It's quicker to get it out and enjoy!!!
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/1991-Pontiac-Trans-Am-Convertible-NICE-CAR-/251573036635?viewitem=&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3AWNA%3AUS%3A3160&forcerRptr=true&item=251573036635&nma=true&si=UP%252FQjMApm0duGCJ8yLbWpPyjHqA%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557selling for $4500, I would tend to disagree (Yes, the car was listed on this site, in the "Firebirds For Sale" section)
Us believing our cars are worth what we have into them, is like Linus believing that the Great Pumpkin will arrive any minute now. It just aint happening. Puma has a great looking car, but he will likely not get the price he wants for it for a very long time.
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Re: Thinking of selling
Puma your car looks to be in beautiful shape. Keep it if you can. Every single 3rd generation camaro I see out here is beat. If you want to sell it put it up for what you want and sit on it. If it doesn't hurt you to keep it then you will either get what you want for it or you will keep your memories and what will be a great car to leave to your kids. My car just sits most of the time. I have it up for sale for what I want for it. if it sells fine. If not, i will hold on to it and leave it to my son some day. Its costs me a few hundred bucks a year to insure and register it. I do have a third stall in my garage for it though. But If I didn't, I would just kick my commuter out into the driveway. You are in a win win situation if you ask me.
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Re: Thinking of selling
With GREAT survivor cars like this:
91 TA Vert Lowish Miles
selling for $4500, I would tend to disagree (Yes, the car was listed on this site, in the "Firebirds For Sale" section)
91 TA Vert Lowish Miles
selling for $4500, I would tend to disagree (Yes, the car was listed on this site, in the "Firebirds For Sale" section)
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With GREAT survivor cars like this:
91 TA Vert Lowish Miles
selling for $4500, I would tend to disagree (Yes, the car was listed on this site, in the "Firebirds For Sale" section)
Us believing our cars are worth what we have into them, is like Linus believing that the Great Pumpkin will arrive any minute now. It just aint happening. Puma has a great looking car, but he will likely not get the price he wants for it for a very long time.
91 TA Vert Lowish Miles
selling for $4500, I would tend to disagree (Yes, the car was listed on this site, in the "Firebirds For Sale" section)
Us believing our cars are worth what we have into them, is like Linus believing that the Great Pumpkin will arrive any minute now. It just aint happening. Puma has a great looking car, but he will likely not get the price he wants for it for a very long time.
I'm not looking for a gold mine, I know the car will never be one. But I don't think it's unreasonable to think that for a car I paid $4300 for 15 years ago when it was just a regular old 9 year old used car that it hasn't gone up the appreciation curve a little bit; even at the price I would be looking for I'd still be losing money based on inflation alone, let alone the $10k I've put into the car over the years to keep it turn-key and on the road. Sad if it hasn't...but it doesn't matter if it hasn't, because I'd never give this car away for what the thirdgen community would want to pay - it's way too nice and uncommon condition-wise to let it go for any less than about $5500 minimum.
Remember guys - the only people who can pull the value of these cars up is us. If we don't start appreciating these cars and continue lowballing each other Craigslist-style, they will never be anything more; the only way they will get to the point of real desirability is if they are desirable in their own crowd first. These cars aren't 10 years old anymore - they are far too old to just be ratty used cars at this point, or at least what's left out there shouldn't be at this point in time. A tremendous amount of these cars have gone to the graveyard in the 15 years I've owned mine, and the market really should reflect that.
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Re: Thinking of selling
Guys, I've added miles to my car also, but I own the car to enjoy it. At this point, I don't care about the mileage any more. It was more fun taking my 14 year old son on the 3500 mile Hot Rod Power Tour a few years ago than it is to have the car sitting in the garage. He's 16 now, has his own permit and will be going to college in a couple years. What happens if I don't make it a few more years? My son would have memories of all of those weekends of the car in the garage!!!
If you have the car, enjoy it. If your only form of enjoyment is keeping it low mile, then pay for the storage and go look at it from time to time. My car sits in the garage and doesn't even have a car cover on it anymore. It's quicker to get it out and enjoy!!!
If you have the car, enjoy it. If your only form of enjoyment is keeping it low mile, then pay for the storage and go look at it from time to time. My car sits in the garage and doesn't even have a car cover on it anymore. It's quicker to get it out and enjoy!!!
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I wish I could find where they show the year by year values, but they are going up a little more sharply in the past few years. FWIW, here is the NADA Classic value of your car. Some of the options are off but I do think the prices are realistic. Retail: RS, T-Tops, 5.0 and A/C= $7,948
http://www.nadaguides.com/Classic-Ca...r-Coupe/Values
I disagree with depending on the current Thirdgen community bringing the value up. Many are college kids with limited budgets and I don't blame people for buying in on an undervalued car. That said, I think that it will be new people entering the market that will bring the prices up. They will most likely be speculators buying cars either to auction and/or sit in storage, then people will respond by asking more which will basically push the low ballers aside.
I once drove an RS Camaro but thought it was slow and handled poorly so I passed on it. It was actually a really clean car, especially for the $3500 they were asking, but there were plenty of them around at the time. The only difference with that RS and yours is the one I drove was a 1967. Those cars went through the same phases that the Thirdgens are going through now. Believe me I saw plenty of modifications and experiments gone awry back then as I do today. Thirdgens are just now going up in value as the 4th gens reach the bottom. I really feel that selling now would be a mistake but if you have your heart set on it I would look nationally for the right buyer vs. locally in CL.
I saw earlier that you couldn't find the right match for your interior. Part of the problem is that things obviously fade over time and even if you had the correct color it may not match what you have in the car now. That said, you could try contacting this place to see if they have something or can find it.
http://www.pyramidtrim.com/products.html#automotive
http://www.nadaguides.com/Classic-Ca...r-Coupe/Values
I disagree with depending on the current Thirdgen community bringing the value up. Many are college kids with limited budgets and I don't blame people for buying in on an undervalued car. That said, I think that it will be new people entering the market that will bring the prices up. They will most likely be speculators buying cars either to auction and/or sit in storage, then people will respond by asking more which will basically push the low ballers aside.
I once drove an RS Camaro but thought it was slow and handled poorly so I passed on it. It was actually a really clean car, especially for the $3500 they were asking, but there were plenty of them around at the time. The only difference with that RS and yours is the one I drove was a 1967. Those cars went through the same phases that the Thirdgens are going through now. Believe me I saw plenty of modifications and experiments gone awry back then as I do today. Thirdgens are just now going up in value as the 4th gens reach the bottom. I really feel that selling now would be a mistake but if you have your heart set on it I would look nationally for the right buyer vs. locally in CL.
I saw earlier that you couldn't find the right match for your interior. Part of the problem is that things obviously fade over time and even if you had the correct color it may not match what you have in the car now. That said, you could try contacting this place to see if they have something or can find it.
http://www.pyramidtrim.com/products.html#automotive
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Re: Thinking of selling
I am curious to why there are no side shots of the car which would show whether or not the "Trans Am" is on the ground effects or not.
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I read a lot about people wishing they could get their first car back. Usually in later life they spend a small fortune doing it.
I still have my first car and wouldn't sell it.
I still have my first car and wouldn't sell it.
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Guys, I've added miles to my car also, but I own the car to enjoy it. At this point, I don't care about the mileage any more. It was more fun taking my 14 year old son on the 3500 mile Hot Rod Power Tour a few years ago than it is to have the car sitting in the garage. He's 16 now, has his own permit and will be going to college in a couple years. What happens if I don't make it a few more years? My son would have memories of all of those weekends of the car in the garage!!!
If you have the car, enjoy it. If your only form of enjoyment is keeping it low mile, then pay for the storage and go look at it from time to time. My car sits in the garage and doesn't even have a car cover on it anymore. It's quicker to get it out and enjoy!!!
If you have the car, enjoy it. If your only form of enjoyment is keeping it low mile, then pay for the storage and go look at it from time to time. My car sits in the garage and doesn't even have a car cover on it anymore. It's quicker to get it out and enjoy!!!
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A little late to the game here as far as contributing to the thread since its inception, but as the owner of a Z28 for a little over a year (bought by me at age 41) and buying it because a Z28 is my lifelong dream car, I cannot imagine getting rid of it. It took me thirty years to finally purchase my Camaro, and I cannot imagine getting rid of it for any reason. It needs work, and I will get it done, over time. It will get to the point where it will look like it did when it came off the lot, and then I will enjoy it until the day I leave this earth. I am not fixing it up to get a dollar amount placed on it, I am fixing it up to get back a piece of my youth that (1) I couldn't get when I was young, and (2) to make me feel young when I take it out. My investment in the time to come is emotional only. I don't care what some appraiser tells me what it is (or isn't) worth. To know that on a nice sunny day I can go down to my garage and fire up a piece of history and pop the tops out and enjoy it with my family is enough reason for me to keep it. I just hoped to give you the perspective of someone who had to wait almost his entire life to get one to maybe help you remember how it felt to get it way back when. Peace.
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A little late to the game here as far as contributing to the thread since its inception, but as the owner of a Z28 for a little over a year (bought by me at age 41) and buying it because a Z28 is my lifelong dream car, I cannot imagine getting rid of it. It took me thirty years to finally purchase my Camaro, and I cannot imagine getting rid of it for any reason. It needs work, and I will get it done, over time. It will get to the point where it will look like it did when it came off the lot, and then I will enjoy it until the day I leave this earth. I am not fixing it up to get a dollar amount placed on it, I am fixing it up to get back a piece of my youth that (1) I couldn't get when I was young, and (2) to make me feel young when I take it out. My investment in the time to come is emotional only. I don't care what some appraiser tells me what it is (or isn't) worth. To know that on a nice sunny day I can go down to my garage and fire up a piece of history and pop the tops out and enjoy it with my family is enough reason for me to keep it. I just hoped to give you the perspective of someone who had to wait almost his entire life to get one to maybe help you remember how it felt to get it way back when. Peace.
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Lots of comments and opinions, and as someone said, "every one of us is different'. I think if I were you, and as I have done myself, ask yourself what you want. A driver? A showcar? A racecar? Even if it's a lifetime of doing one thing at a time, are you realistically able to spend the money you want? Even if not for several years? Are you able to enjoy it "as is" until you're able to do what you'd like? For me, Yes. I love it now, but someday I want to paint it. I love it now, but someday I plan to do a new motor. I redid the interior, love it, but would like to change it again, someday. The car now, and what I plan to do later are acceptable today, and realistic tomorrow. So I keep it, and I enjoy it. ....but I also think people who have yet to buy a house, have a family, figure out storage, and figure out how to juggle a marriage, a household, a job, a family, a few hobbies, savings, a lawn, etc. etc. etc. just can't understand. It IS different, and priorities DO change. Some things don't make the cut. Some people let go of $100,000 dollar classic cars, some hang on to $1000 cars that barely run. We're all different. If you decide to let it go, trust me, there are more important things to enjoy in life than a car, and you'll get over it, BUT....don't let stress and worry over finding parts make your decision for you.
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Re: Thinking of selling
99% of 3rdgens are just "used cars," some nicer than others, and that's all they will ever be. The only real "value" most of these cars will ever carry is sentimental, not monetary. As "investments," then, odds are, they're a loss and pointless to keep covered and stored for a future owner. So if you feel a need to move-on, then let it go and take what you can get for it. But if you like it and feel an attachment to it, then keep it and continue getting priceless enjoyment from it.
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Re: Thinking of selling
I have 2 third gens that sit and collect dust especially since I bought my Mustang convertible. One was my first car. I would never think of selling it even if it only gets driven a handful of times a year. My TTA is expendable since I have not had it long and I hold no emotional attachment to it other then I wanted one since I was a teenager. My advice is to hold on to your first car. You might regret that decision.
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