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Old 06-07-2023, 07:32 PM
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First piece is here.




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I’ve never seen this before. Split from front to back.

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Re: Look what followed me home. ‘87 Formula

What's the other side of that lid and air cleaner base look like, where the duct is? It looks like there's a wide-open hole through the side of the air cleaner base, in the view you've posted. How about a view of the side that I'm asking about? I'm wondering if that lid could be used on a different base.

Because if the base units are all the same size, and that lid can be used on a different base, then something else that might help you unlock even MORE POWER (great clickbait caption on that video, and a sense of humor lol) with your functional cowl induction unit and lid, is an L69 dual snorkel base under that lid. The L69 base has a 15" diameter where the lid sits on it.

I know you're a very "factory-stock" guy, so I don't know if something like that would be too radical of a change for you or not, but I think it would be an interesting combination.

Is that other picture of an exhaust pipe? Was that on the car?
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Re: Look what followed me home. ‘87 Formula

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What's the other side of that lid and air cleaner base look like, where the duct is? It looks like there's a wide-open hole through the side of the air cleaner base, in the view you've posted. How about a view of the side that I'm asking about? I'm wondering if that lid could be used on a different base.

Because if the base units are all the same size, and that lid can be used on a different base, then something else that might help you unlock even MORE POWER (great clickbait caption on that video, and a sense of humor lol) with your functional cowl induction unit and lid, is an L69 dual snorkel base under that lid. The L69 base has a 15" diameter where the lid sits on it.

I know you're a very "factory-stock" guy, so I don't know if something like that would be too radical of a change for you or not, but I think it would be an interesting combination.

Is that other picture of an exhaust pipe? Was that on the car?
I'll post a pic later.

There is an inner lid which seals with air cleaner element. And yes, I could put that lid on my L69 dual snorkel system.

Yes, that is the factory pipe. All pre-bent systems for our cars are sold out or back ordered, so I had one fabricated.
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Re: Look what followed me home. ‘87 Formula

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I’ve never seen this before. Split from front to back.
That's a new one on me too.



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Re: Look what followed me home. ‘87 Formula

Here we are. With screen and driprail

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Anyone have any pics of an '82-'84 T/A with this system when new-ish? Hood insulator set up, etc.
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Everything is nicer cleaned a painted.











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I'm not hooking up the solenoid for now. I just want to jam the flap open.Any ideas on how best to do that?
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Mines an 84, and not sure if your linkage is different. But I would remove the screw securing the solenoid lever to the flapper shaft, remove the entire solenoid, and linkage and save. Reinstall the screw with some wire under it, and anchor the wire "somewhere", to hold the valve open. Should be simple enough.
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Once the scoop becomes functional what about the hood insulation??? Does it stay or go or get trimmed. I've been searching and haven't come across any pic of the insulator on an original factory car.

I'll have a few days to think about it, since it's going to the body shop tomorrow morning to have rusted battery tray cut out and new replacement welded in.

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Mines an 84, and not sure if your linkage is different. But I would remove the screw securing the solenoid lever to the flapper shaft, remove the entire solenoid, and linkage and save. Reinstall the screw with some wire under it, and anchor the wire "somewhere", to hold the valve open. Should be simple enough.

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Not a fan of hood insulation on a performance car. It can get pretty messy. but if already in place, and is serviceable, i would leave it...for now.
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Finally! I found a pic of a stock setup with it's hood insulator.



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Wow. Nice shot. Is it yours, or generic? Looks brandy new, or lots of clear coat.
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Wow. Nice shot. Is it yours, or generic? Looks brandy new, or lots of clear coat.
No, just found it online. Hard to find a pic of the set up WITH the hood insulator.
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Rusted battery tray is probably being cut out as we speak.........I bought a new one which will be welded in.
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New battery tray in.
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Re: Look what followed me home. ‘87 Formula

Originally Posted by chazman
New battery tray in.
I don't see a battery tray, but I do see it must have the add-on carb blower kit to help with fuel boiling?
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I don't see a battery tray, but I do see it must have the add-on carb blower kit to help with fuel boiling?
Yes, it has one of those.

There was nothing there where the hold down is. That was rust and air 12 hours ago.
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Thought there was a picture of the stuff installed on that thread i posted on fb from here.
If you hold the air induction parts up in place under the hood you'll see exactly how to hook it all up. There's a little hole in the blanket for the front leg to poke through and sit on the top side of the hood brace. Then its just the 7mm screw holding that in.
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Thought there was a picture of the stuff installed on that thread i posted on fb from here.
If you hold the air induction parts up in place under the hood you'll see exactly how to hook it all up. There's a little hole in the blanket for the front leg to poke through and sit on the top side of the hood brace. Then its just the 7mm screw holding that in.
Thanks Tony for the links to those excellent threads. None of them had pics of the airbox installed with the hood insulator though.
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This beater has Ram Air!!!





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Sweet. Now let's have a "performance" comparison. Drag times with it open, and closed.
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Charlie, does your car have the Subwoofer option?
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Charlie, does your car have the Subwoofer option?
I don't know John, what's the code?
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If you have a button on the dash with a slider, you would have the subwoofer. The reason I ask is you have the fancy speaker grilles. I am not sure if it was part of the subwoofer package or if it is part of the Custom interior.
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Re: Look what followed me home. ‘87 Formula

Subwoofer option code is UQ7. It is not listed on this vehicle.

That's interesting about the speaker covers, John. My 1988 T/A has the deluxe interior but does not have the speaker covers. It also doesn't have the UQ7. I suppose someone could have changed Charlie's or changed mine.

Just checked my GTA, which of course has the deluxe interior but no UQ7, and it does have the fancy speaker covers.
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Subwoofer option code is UQ7. It is not listed on this vehicle.

That's interesting about the speaker covers, John. My 1988 T/A has the deluxe interior but does not have the speaker covers. It also doesn't have the UQ7. I suppose someone could have changed Charlie's or changed mine.

Just checked my GTA, which of course has the deluxe interior but no UQ7, and it does have the fancy speaker covers.
The faded ones on my dash pad?
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Re: Look what followed me home. ‘87 Formula

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The faded ones on my dash pad?
Yes, your purple covers.
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Here is what I found:
Standard Grille
83 (2nd Des) - 92
10077214 (LH) & 10077215 (RH)

Cloth Grille
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87-88 B20 (Luxury Trim Group)
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Chaz has the B20

I thought it was part of the subwoofer option, but apparently not. I ended up removing my purple covers and painting the mesh black, it looks better than the pealing cover. However you could get some new speaker material and cut them out and glue it on. I have considered doing that.

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Re: Look what followed me home. ‘87 Formula

Originally Posted by okfoz
Here is what I found:
Standard Grille
83 (2nd Des) - 92
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Cloth Grille
85-86 U52 (Digital Dash)
87-88 B20 (Luxury Trim Group)
10077211 (LH) & 10077212 (RH)

Chaz has the B20

I thought it was part of the subwoofer option, but apparently not. I ended up removing my purple covers and painting the mesh black, it looks better than the pealing cover. However you could get some new speaker material and cut them out and glue it on. I have considered doing that.
I think you're right that it's part of the B20, even though B20 is defined in the 1987 product manual and speaker covers are not mentioned. That is not conclusive, though.

I'm starting to think that I did remove the covers on my '88 T/A (B20) because of the same reason as you where the cloth was peeling. In fact I just looked at my past pictures over 20 years ago and confirmed it did have them. So B20 does appear to be the factor.
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Strange that my car has the luxury trim group, yet has manual windows and locks.
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Welcome to the dark side.

Looking forward to seeing your progress with it. Definitely source a fiberglass replacement for that spoiler.

Any other choices besides Hawks?
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Also, I don't see 1AZ vs 1AY codes on the SPID regarding if it was a customer order vs dealer order.
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Re: Look what followed me home. ‘87 Formula

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Strange that my car has the luxury trim group, yet has manual windows and locks.
They ordered the W63 package:
C60 = A/C
N33 = Tilt Steering wheel
AK1 = Colored Keyed Custom Belts
UM7 = ETR AM/FM Radio
B84 = Color Coordinated Custom Body Side Moldings
CD4 = Controlled Cycle Wipers
TR9 = Lamp Group
K34 = Cruise Control
A31 = Power Windows
AU3 = Power Door Locks
A90 = Remote Deck Lid Release

But notice, instead of A31 and AU3, you got B6W and B6V. W63 allowed the deletion of power windows (B6W) and deletion of power locks (B6V) from the above list for a discount.

So, yeah, they definitely did not want power windows and locks because they specifically deleted it from the W63 package.
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They ordered the W63 package:
C60 = A/C
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CD4 = Controlled Cycle Wipers
TR9 = Lamp Group
K34 = Cruise Control
A31 = Power Windows
AU3 = Power Door Locks
A90 = Remote Deck Lid Release

But notice, instead of A31 and AU3, you got B6W and B6V. W63 allowed the deletion of power windows (B6W) and deletion of power locks (B6V) from the above list for a discount.

So, yeah, they definitely did not want power windows and locks because they specifically deleted it.
Interesting.
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Any other choices besides Hawks?
Classic Industries also sells an "OER" aero Spoiler, but it looks awful, I would never use one of theirs because the spears are way way too thick. Hawks spears are also a little thicker than stock, but it just has the better appearance for aftermarket. Hawks is worth the wait IMHO.

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I think you're right that it's part of the B20, even though B20 is defined in the 1987 product manual and speaker covers are not mentioned. That is not conclusive, though.

I'm starting to think that I did remove the covers on my '88 T/A (B20) because of the same reason as you where the cloth was peeling. In fact I just looked at my past pictures over 20 years ago and confirmed it did have them. So B20 does appear to be the factor.
I got the information from the Parts & Illustration Catalogs.
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Here you go.
AAA - Standard Equipment
AK1 - Seat Belts Color Keyed
AM9 - Split rear folding seats
AR9 - Front Bucket Seats - Deluxe
A01 - Glass - Soft Ray ( Green )
A90 - Rear locking Compartment
BY4 - Interior Ornamentation ( Performance suspension Emblem? maybe)
B20 - Luxur Trim Group
B34 - Front Floor Mats
B35 - Rear Floor Mats
B6V - Power Door Lock Delete
B6W - Power Window Delete
B67 - Cassette Tape Storage Container
B84 - Ornamentation, Exterior Body Side molding
B87 - Emblem Exterior Fender (Which interestingly they stopped putting on Formulas early 1987, but they still got the RPO)
CD4 - Windshield washer, control Cycle
C49 - Rear Defog
C60 - Air Conditioning
D35 - LH Remote Cable Mirror Painted
D42 - Rear Cover Security Shade
D5R - Speedo Driven Gear (3.23)
D81 - Aero Spoiler
D86 - 2 Tone Paint
D9E - Vehicle Speed Sensor
D98 - Stripe Body Accent
E5Z - Adapter Speedo - Delete
E9Z - Speedo Gear Delet
FE2 - Performance Suspension Part of WS6
GU5 - 3.23 axle
J50 - Rear Drum Brakes
K34 - Cruise Control
K60 - 100 Amp Generator
LG4 - 5.0L 4BBL
MM5 - Manual trans provisions
M39 - Manual Trans
NA5 - Fed Emissions
NK3 - 3 Spoke Sport Steering Wheel
N33 - Tilt Steering Wheel
N65 - Spare Tire - Steel Space Saver
N96 - 16x8 Aluminum Formula Wheels
PB4 - Aluminum Wheel Locks
QDZ - Tires - P245-50R16
TR9 - Lamp Group
UF6 - Lamp, interior console and courtesy
UM6 - Radio AM/FM Stereo & Cassete, ETR
UQ1 - Radio Provisions
UT1 - Warning Tone Generator
U21 - Gage Package
U25 - Rear Compartment Lamp
U29 - Lamp, interior instrument Panel Courtesy
U66 - Dual front & Rear Speakers,
VAN - Van Nuys
VK3 - License Plate Mounting Package
V73 - Vehicle Statement US/CAN
WS6 - Performance equipment
W63 - Option Group #2
W66 - Formula
YR1 - Seat - Front Custom
YS1 - Seat - Rear Custom
YT1 - Custom Build UP
YT9 - Fisher Furnished Parts
1SV - Special Vehicle Components of W66 Formula Package
11Q - Exterior Molding - White
18P - Charcoal Wheels
40U - White Upper Paint
6ZV - Front Left Spring
7VW - Front Right Spring
71A - Stripe - Orange/Silver/Black
8NL - Suspension Spring
82C - Gray Custom Interior
82I - Gray Interior
829 - Gray Seat Belts
87L - Lower Charcoal Secondary Color***
9NL - Suspension Spring

*** NOTE: 84L & 87L were both used in 1987, they are both the same color, but they changed RPO Half way through 1987
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Re: Look what followed me home. ‘87 Formula

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AAA - Standard Equipment
AK1 - Seat Belts Color Keyed
AM9 - Split rear folding seats
AR9 - Front Bucket Seats - Deluxe
A01 - Glass - Soft Ray ( Green )
A90 - Rear locking Compartment
BY4 - Interior Ornamentation ( Performance suspension Emblem? maybe)
B20 - Luxur Trim Group
B34 - Front Floor Mats
B35 - Rear Floor Mats
B6V - Power Door Lock Delete
B6W - Power Window Delete
B67 - Cassette Tape Storage Container
B84 - Ornamentation, Exterior Body Side molding
B87 - Emblem Exterior Fender (Which interestingly they stopped putting on Formulas early 1987, but they still got the RPO)
CD4 - Windshield washer, control Cycle
C49 - Rear Defog
C60 - Air Conditioning
D35 - LH Remote Cable Mirror Painted
D42 - Rear Cover Security Shade
D5R - Speedo Driven Gear (3.23)
D81 - Aero Spoiler
D86 - 2 Tone Paint
D9E - Vehicle Speed Sensor
D98 - Stripe Body Accent
E5Z - Adapter Speedo - Delete
E9Z - Speedo Gear Delet
FE2 - Performance Suspension Part of WS6
GU5 - 3.23 axle
J50 - Rear Drum Brakes
K34 - Cruise Control
K60 - 100 Amp Generator
LG4 - 5.0L 4BBL
MM5 - Manual trans provisions
M39 - Manual Trans
NA5 - Fed Emissions
NK3 - 3 Spoke Sport Steering Wheel
N33 - Tilt Steering Wheel
N65 - Spare Tire - Steel Space Saver
N96 - 16x8 Aluminum Formula Wheels
PB4 - Aluminum Wheel Locks
QDZ - Tires - P245-50R16
TR9 - Lamp Group
UF6 - Lamp, interior console and courtesy
UM6 - Radio AM/FM Stereo & Cassete, ETR
UQ1 - Radio Provisions
UT1 - Warning Tone Generator
U21 - Gage Package
U25 - Rear Compartment Lamp
U29 - Lamp, interior instrument Panel Courtesy
U66 - Dual front & Rear Speakers,
VAN - Van Nuys
VK3 - License Plate Mounting Package
V73 - Vehicle Statement US/CAN
WS6 - Performance equipment
W63 - Option Group #2
W66 - Formula
YR1 - Seat - Front Custom
YS1 - Seat - Rear Custom
YT1 - Custom Build UP
YT9 - Fisher Furnished Parts
1SV - Special Vehicle Components of W66 Formula Package
11Q - Exterior Molding - White
18P - Charcoal Wheels
40U - White Upper Paint
6ZV - Front Left Spring
7VW - Front Right Spring
71A - Stripe - Orange/Silver/Black
8NL - Suspension Spring
82C - Gray Custom Interior
82I - Gray Interior
829 - Gray Seat Belts
87L - Lower Charcoal Secondary Color***
9NL - Suspension Spring

*** NOTE: 84L & 87L were both used in 1987, they are both the same color, but they changed RPO Half way through 1987

Thanks!

No code that I can see for dealer order vs customer order.
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Z31 is the Identification Price Sheet Advance,
WS8 is Price Order Acknowledgement
WY1 is Dealer Protection
ZF7 Sales Processing Option #26
ZF9 Sales Processing Option


On my lists of all the RPO codes I do not see anything to distinguish between a Dealer Lot car and a Special Order. It might be WS8 (Price order Acknowledgement) but That is a guess.

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Re: Look what followed me home. ‘87 Formula

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Z31 is the Identification Price Sheet Advance,
WS8 is Price Order Acknowledgement
WY1 is Dealer Protection
ZF7 Sales Processing Option #26
ZF9 Sales Processing Option


On my lists of all the RPO codes I do not see anything to distinguish between a Dealer Lot car and a Special Order. It might be WS8 (Price order Acknowledgement) but That is a guess.
Thanks again. I can’t imagine a dealer deleting PW and PDL though.
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How many guys does it take to crack loose a rusted on distributor bolt which hasn't been touched since 1987?

4 guys, and 1 to 2 hours.All the swear words.

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Re: Look what followed me home. ‘87 Formula

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How many guys does it take to crack loose a rusted on distributor bolt which hasn't been touched since 1987?

4 guys, and 1 to 2 hours.All the swear words.
Yikes. Was it rusted in place or was it more of an accessibility issue?

Tell us more, starting with why you were trying to loosen the distributor bolt.
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Yikes. Was it rusted in place or was it more of an accessibility issue?

Tell us more, starting with why you were trying to loosen the distributor bolt.
Rusted in place.

In order to bump initial timing. Should be set a 0 from the factory. Mine was set at -2*. Bumped it a few degrees.
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Choke doesn't work.

Put new choke on and doesn't work.

"Choke" dash warning light on when choke is plugged in.

"Choke" dash warning light turns off when choke is unplugged.

Power coming from connector.

Any ideas?
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Re: Look what followed me home. ‘87 Formula

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Choke doesn't work.

Put new choke on and doesn't work.

"Choke" dash warning light on when choke is plugged in.

"Choke" dash warning light turns off when choke is unplugged.

Power coming from connector.

Any ideas?
Try checking the C/H Fan Fuse. It's a 20 AMP fuse.

If I understand the circuit correctly, if that fuse is not working and going to the Choke Heater Relay, the Choke Warning light will find a ground through the choke heater and do what you're describing.


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