Swigbeast

I wanted to replace my carpet, but the only stuff I can find in decent condition is the fourth gen carpet.
I know it stops short at the rear well, but will it fit correctly everywhere else?

I'd rather not get it all installed and realize it fits funky

I looked everywhere for an answer to this and gave up so thankyou to anyone who can answer this

Swigbeast

I know somebody can help me here, I'd rather not buy some 4th gen carpet just to return it. And help is much appreciated

scottmoyer

If you have a 3rd gen, why are trying to put 4th gen carpet in it? Buy 3rd gen specific carpeting and it WILL fit. If you want a 4th gen, go buy a 4th gen!

Swigbeast

I was just trying to save some money because the 4th gen carpet is in pretty great condition, and I cant find any good 3rd gen carpet. Id like to get some cheap new carpet, are there any good distributors.

Starbug

Some things are best done with the actual item specifically meant for your car. Carpet is probably one of them. You just have to bite the bullet and get 3rd gen carpets if you want a proper fit without any modifications/headaches. I don't know how the interior floors are shaped or their measurements on a 4th gen, but I would imagine that it is not a direct fit. They are the same car, but yet not.

You don't say if you need a complete set or only part of it, so here's my list of places that sell carpets. Hawk's has carpets (here's their firebird side), Thirdgen Ranch has it (here, and here, mostly new but a couple of used pieces. Email them to see if they have more used pieces), Rock Auto has carpets, Firebird Central has them, Rick's Camaro has some, A1 Auto has it (top of page, may have more if you browse further). This is just what I have in my bookmarks for third gen parts places. There are likely many more places out there.

Swigbeast

Thankyou, but $12.50 is a lot better than $250, Ive not got that right now, so Im gonna see if the 4th gen stuff will fit.

scottmoyer

And you can return carpet that cost you $12.50? For that price, why are you asking if it will work?

No offense, but these "cheap" fixes are getting old around here. If you want to fix something this "cheaply", then do it and don't advertise it! I've heard from so many lately outside of TGO that they have no interest in coming to this forum because of the way people "fix" things here. If you hack something together, don't tell the entire world through TGO that this is how you "fix" your car.

Swigbeast

What I do to my car is nobody's business. I'm sorry Im not some 50 year old dork who get mad when others dont fix their car the way I want them to. I also don't have a sh**ton of money to throw at my car and build it up piece by piece, but thats none of your damn business. I came here for friendly advice, and thus far I havent received hardly any. If you're worried about tainting the name of TGO, then realize that your lack of hospitality is doing that more than the words some nobody like me is posting on here.

Ive been building my car up for 5 years since I bought it in high school when another person would have just junked it. My TA looks like a new car, and almost nothing on it is new, and I'm damn proud of that.
Theres plenty of threads with friendly people talking about carpet, mods, restoration, etc, and they dont have anyone sh** talking on the sidelines. Have some creativity, and ingenuity, and be glad you've got another member who likes to spend most of his hours and time improving his car than spending it on anything else.
I will be doing what I like with my car. You, on the other hand can spend the extra few thousand dollars and feel good that you know how to buy things rather than fix them. If your idea of fixing is throwing money at it, then please dont post on here talking about how you "fix" your car.

jwdomino

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Do it up and forget anyone that gives you grief. 90% of my car is other than stock, lots came from other cars. Scott as a mod you should be ashamed of yourself for makig such comments. Post up some pics once you have it installed

nosajwols

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I would also like to know if it will fit (or how close it is). I will be replacing my carpet in the next few years, a fourth gen JY find should be way cheaper than aftermarket.

hrspwr

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The only way to see is to try it. I am 99% sure you may have an issue when it comes to the cat hump on the passanger side floor board. It is a different contour then a 3rd gen. How much...I am not sure. Other than that, it should fit.

If the 4th gen is in good shape, I would try to sell it and make a couple bucks, then go buy a new carpet, or find one out of a wrecked car......my $0.02.

scottmoyer

Well, I'm not some 50 year old dork either, so I wonder who you are referencing with that comment? In 23 posts, you haven't received any friendly advice from TGO? You might want to rethink your approach then. You also state that it's taking you 5 years to fix up this car and you can't afford to buy "correct" parts for the car? That's my fault how? Maybe you should be focusing your finances on something else instead of the car, but like you said, your finances and your car are not my business and I really don't care. Being creative is one thing and I'm all for creativity, but using incorrect parts is not being creative. Think about that.

Lastly, you don't know me or my financial situation or how I fix things so that is not YOUR business! And, you know that I throw money at my car when fixing it, how? Your personal attack on me is unwarranted

jwdomino, I'm entitled to my opinion just as much as everybody else, being a moderator or not. I'm also entitled to comment on how the image of TGO is seen by outsiders. If you want to hack your car, that's your business, but don't go to an enthusiast website and tell everybody that. I've been on this board for 12 years and I've seen drastic changes in the direction the members have taken it. I'm not ashamed, BTW.

Starbug

You're welcome. I didn't pay attention to the prices, just quickly posted every carpet I had links to, lol. The Thirdgen Ranch link I included also had a used set of 3rd gen carpet for $35. They may have more used carpets (full and partial sets) if you ask them. So if the 4th gen carpets don't work, you can still pay a cheap price for a carpet that is guaranteed to fit. Good luck.

TTOP350

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From the drivers seat rear ward the floor pan is the same, from the driver seat 4ward its different.
Id say it maybe different enuff in the front to not work without some major remolding of the carpet esp on the pass side.
Buy it and see if you can get it to work... Keep in mind you'll need to buy the hatch carpet also because of the diff lengths of the 3rd and 4th get carpets.
good luck.

Whats wrong wit your carpet?

rarebmx

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AGREED 100%! "If it works, don't fix it" should be the motto for a vast majority of people on here. Why throw ANY money at carpet and let alone your time trying to make something fit? Heck, go find some left over **** in someones trash and throw it in. If you cannot afford it, start a "new carpet account" or find someone parting out a car with your color carpet already. Once you take everything out, put new carpet in, you will not want to do it again for a while.
I understand working within a budget but some things can wait....

Swigbeast

Thankyou,
I appreciate all the links you posted, I'm gonna see if the 4th gen will fit, and if not then I'll just have to see if my local junkyard has anything new.
I'll post what I find with some pics.
Ill be making a thread with my complete new interior when I finish.

Swigbeast

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Swigbeast

Yeah, and not to mention they're still in fairly decent condition

Swigbeast

My carpet is in good condition everywhere except where your feet go. They're worn so bad you can see the mat. The rear seat divider section is bad too. I've got the Dove grey and Im looking to replace with black or charcoal.

I've also got a big hole in the carpet and body near the drivers side from a jack stand. I was using the factory jack a couple years ago and it failed on me. The car fell onto the stand and knocked it through the floor, and the jack came up and clubbed me in the forehead. Talk about a bad day.

Swigbeast

I agree. This job just happens to be happening right now, my car is bare metal, and my dash is coming off tomorrow. Insulation and dampener going in with new seats plastic and custom headliner and sail panels. I'D wait, but I'm impatient. Main point: I could pay full price, but would rather not.

slim4207

seems like the moderator got his period this week..... u seem like a dork of what ever age talking about online forums with your buddies and bitching about the posts..... lmao DORK

TTOP350

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Honestly, if your car is bare metal, you should be doing everything you can to get it in primer and painted instead of worrying about the carpet right now..
Plus it will give you more time to find a decent correct carpet set..
When on a budget, being patient is the best way to find good deals on parts.

82tarecaro

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You guys have a few posts here and you are insulting the moderator? Not too smart IMHO.
He is entitled to his opinion PLUS - he can delete your posts. Maybe you should try to word things a bit differently.

Swigbeast

Sorry, let me rephrase that, the interior is all out, so its down to PRIMED metal inside. I'm just waiting to get it all back in. Also Its raining like hell in Cali right now and I've got a leak into my passenger foot well and I've no idea where its coming from.

scottmoyer

Those sound like intelligent comments. Some of you guys just need to grow up. That's another problem here. We have too many children on the boards. Hopefully when you grow up, you'll provide some real help to others and learn how to do things correctly.

deadbird

Scott is not a moderator of this forum, he doesn't have that power. Second, TGO frowns on moderators abusing editing post just over differences of opinion. Mod editing is only for abusive/vulgar/racial slurring, unless things have changed since I took leave.

scottmoyer

If I WAS a moderator of this forum, deleting the above posts or editing them because of a difference of opinion would be an abuse of power. However, the moderator of this forum should deal with the name calling as the forum rules state that that is a violation of board policy.

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stealthroc89

A set of floor mats sound like a good cheap way to band aid the problem until you can get a nice used or new carpet. There's a thread by Gumby (I think) that covers painting carpet, so you don't need to find your specific color and from what I've read it isn't considered a "hack". Just don't try to go black to red and it should turn out ok.

Swigbeast

Ok I think Ill consider dying some carpet if I cant find a decent set. I think I'll be alright with the paint, I'm looking for a Charcoal carpet, that should be easy to paint.
Also, my EZ Cool heat insulating reflective foam came in today. Only 5 days shipped from Arizona to California. Time to take the dash out tomorrow and get going on the firewall.
Lets hope I remember all the screws when I put it back together

firechicken76

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Wow, guy asks a legitimate question and gets flamed from people that should be helping. nice.....

heres a thought, if someone asks a question, and you dont know, either help them find the answer or dont reply to the comment. by shooting the idea down, no one may ever know if it will work. by asking, it might give someone motivation to try.

V6F1R3BRD

I understand what scott means. I agree to a degree. Dont just take random parts and throw them in and call it fixed. BUT look at how many people on this site have taken the time to take parts and materials and make them work and turn out to be very nicely done mods. IF done right. Not everyone can do that. So it can be appreciated and makes their own car like no other.

When it comes to a cheap 4rth gen replacement, go for it. If its cheap, and actually turns out nice, well done thats a good accomplishment. But if it doesnt then you know you may have to take another approach. Trial and error. Just how most of us learn on our cars.

Plain and simple its your car and its your choice. i support it IF it looks good.

firechicken76

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wow, i like your car!

Maverick H1L

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I personally would like to know if this would work. I'm already planning on getting a dash (don't currently have a dash in the 88, and I would need to mod the brackets to put my Bird dash in anyways, so I'd just rather do what I was going to do with the Bird in the first place and put the 4th gen in) and seats out of a 93-96 Camaro, so it really isn't much more to yank the carpet. Besides, it's apparently pretty hard to find used carpet in early Thirdgen Charcoal (I have the hatch part but was sent Russet for the main when I ordered both in Charcoal), to match the interior trim and 02 console I already have. And most of the 4th gens in the one yard I go to have either Charcoal or Black interior... Plus, the 84 I pulled the trim out of at the other yard has been crushed for some time now (and I'm missing 2 trim pieces ).

Oh, and I already paid $130 for the half Charcoal/half Russet carpet I have, and I'd rather not spend that much again. And my Medium Gray carpet out of the 87 wouldn't look right (especially with the rust spot under the heater box and the matting having partially come out by the driver's feet) with the Charcoal rear carpet and trim. Or the Carmine Red interior that came out of the 88 (no carpet included ).

82tarecaro

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Why didn't you send it back if they sent you the wrong color? I have inquired about the ACC carpet from several vendors and they sent me samples of the charcoal color for my car. While it is not a 100% match, it is a good color, and it is made to order.
I doubt you will have much luck fitting a molded carpet from a 4th gen in your car. The floor pans are different. You may get it in but it will probably not look right.

80schild

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The newest fourth gen is now 10 years old, and most of the interiors of those are now looking pretty bad (and smell funky too). I think the days of swapping parts from fourth gens are about to come to an end. I can also say the carpet in my '95 Camaro seems thinner than the stock carpet was in my GTA.

I say just live with what you have until you can get some NEW carpet. Get some good rubber floor mats to go over the hole under your feet. I bought mine from Modern Day Muscle and they're really heavy and won't move.

Maverick H1L

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Well, it didn't go back because I bought it USED from a member on here who does junkyarding. I haven't bought ANY new interior parts.

I figure I'll spend whatever it is on the 4th gen first (might as well pull it when I get the dash and seats since there won't be much left to pull after that) and if it doesn't work, I won't be out that much. Besides, GM charcoal is GM charcoal, don't need to mess with samples and that stuff. I don't see where it could be all that different as the seats are direct-fit and the console isn't difficult to make fit (I have an 02 console in my basement I had in the car for a while before I took it down to the frame).

MustangEater82

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Old thread... but any word on this? I found a guy selling the interior out of his 98 has 15k miles on it. I might snag carpet front to back as well. If I get it $12.50 cheap I will just try it.