stoning_volcom

So the other day i was scanning through a jegs mag. Happened to come across this http://www.jegs.com/i/GM+Performance...12593/10002/-1

now this is cheap and it may work i am goin to buy it then let you all no if it works with the third gen or not un less someone knows what this is from and no it wont work

88 350 tpi formula

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its going to hang lower than the k-member by off my head??? about 1.5 "

stoning_volcom

well that is what i was wondering

88 350 tpi formula

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I just checked the f-pan is almost level with the bottom of the k-member and its around 5.5" deep at the lowest spot... so its way too deep

dynodanmanda79

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Yeah I think that kit uses the LH8 oil pan, in which I believe is the hummer oil pan and it would be too deep.

1ADan

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i concur; i tried to save a couple bucks here and its not worth it. brand new mounts and my fbody pan is pretty flush with the kmember. i'd hate to hit a speedbump or pothole and lose a motor...

five7kid

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But, hey, that Moroso 21150 kit that shows up with your link would work. Only $625.99.

stoning_volcom

funny you mention i might get that

88 350 tpi formula

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Im still shocked there isnt anyone selling modded truck pans or casting similar f-pans at half the cost. the sheet metal pans are still a bit high IMO but they require more work to make and offer more control in oil from what I can tell so I understand that is in the cost but for a reproduction or retrofit standpoint there is some money on the table someone or company should snag up its not like the f-pan only fits our swaps! it fits MOST swaps

five7kid

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The f-body pan won't work in my '57. The linked kit from Jegs would, though.

1st & 2nd gen f-bodies, A-bodies, B-bodies, trucks - all of them can use that Hummer pan, and most won't do well with an f-body pan. We're just a niche market.

88 350 tpi formula

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idk I usually see people using the f-pan some notch it in 3/4" but i would disagree with you otherwise

five7kid

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How many use an f-body pan unmodified?

scooter

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The second gen swaps I believe use an unmodified f-body pan and other swaps I have been reading about on ls1tech.

I bought a pan that is cast like the OEM, the sump is similar to the LH8 pan but with the other dimensions closer to the f-body pan. I got it from a guy over on tech, I think his name is retrolsx. It wasnt cheap but it came with the proper pickup tube and O ring. The only problem with the pan is that it only holds 4 quarts or something along those lines. I bought it because I dont want to run long tubes and I want to run the exhaust on my 91 like stock, in between the crossmember and the oil pan. This pan should allow me to do that. I have been lazy lately though and havent gotten around to seeing how it is going to work so it is just sitting on the bench in the garage still. I have a bare LS6 block in the garage to put it on and put in the car for mockup.
Since the pan isnt going to hold the capacity I think I am going to run a 3 quart accumulator in addition. Someone makes a port adapter for the pan for a -10an line and has a 1/8" NPT port for an oil pressure sender.

88 350 tpi formula

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also 1st gens as well. I was just looking and only ones using the modded pan are using the first style eng adapters plates.. much like our cars the latest ones set the eng back more and an unmolested f-pan is used


also the rx7 uses it. I know there are some A body cars on tech using them

scooter

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This is what I am going to try
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/new-pr...n-oil-pan.html

1ADan

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i definitely like that pan scooter, but if price is a bit more of an issue, f-body does a good job if you can wait em out (they can be hard to come by on occassion)

Pocket

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The mfr states the windage tray is reused from the LH8 kit (truck windage tray) and just looking at it, the front depth seems deeper than the Fbody kit. Fbody's have to chop the front main section off for pan clearance. I remember from replacing my oil pump that the Fbody pan has less than 1/2" clearance above the K-member. Might cause a clearance issue with it deeper up front

scooter

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Wonderful. I just went out and measured the f-pan and the other pan from the block side of the flange and the other pan is a little over an inch deeper in the very front. Well I bought it to try it all out.....

Pocket

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If all else fails, notch the K and run it

scooter

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I was hoping to avoid this altogether

Pocket

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Granted, but if it's in the way it'd prevent the hassle of reselling the pan and sourcing a Fbody piece

scooter

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I have one attached to the engine sitting in my garage, Seeing how a few people have had to notch the frame and I wanted more clearance for the exhaust but I didnt think I was going to have to cut the k-member

mw66nova

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check this out. no pricing on the website that i could find, but looks like a solid solution:

http://www.mastmotorsports.com/2010/...OilPans&id=160

scooter

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I hear that will be around $550 or something

scooter

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Got to hold this pan at SEMA last week, it is a really nice piece and looks like it may be a viable option for the 3rd gen f-body without having any clearance problems. I also emailed MAST and got the data sheet with the specs with the dimensions. Looks like their pan is 1.71" at the front, sorta. That number is a small bump out at the front of the pan but the rest of the front of the pan is "square" and is less than that. I will probably wind up buying this pan anyway and see how it fits.
I guess I will hold onto the other pan I boughtand see if that will work for a 2nd gen f-body swap.

Jim85IROC

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Holley has a new pan slated for production too. I recall reading that it had a 5.5" total height.

scooter

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I just saw that on the oil pan sticky over on ls1tech. It looks a LOT like the retro pan that I picked up and as such probably wont work out well. The front of the pan is most likely going to be too tall


**EDIT**
Found this searching on tech for the MAST pan but....

$750 L98

I am using a F-bod pan, I cracked my first one and was forced to buy another. As far as I can tell there is nothing cast or welded that will fit our cars as well as the stock F-bod pan.


Sure would be nice to find a stock replacement sheet metal pan though!

Pocket

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Hard to beat the Fbody pan for cost/fitment

mw66nova

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moroso makes a stock replacement sheetmetal pan for the f-body guys that will work on our cars. but you need to buy their pickup, windage tray, and remote mount oil filter kit.

$750 L98

Isn't that thing like 600 bucks though? At that point I started looking at a dry sump set up. F-body is definitely the way to go for a good fit/cheap set up, IF you look, and find some one who doesn't gouge...you should be able to get one for about $100. I hate seeing all the ads for used pans running $200+ lol

scooter

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I never post EBAY links, but it appears that the Holley pan will work in a 3rd gen.....
I still havent tried mine in the car yet, need an engine hoist still.

Jim85IROC

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The new MAST pan is said to work in thirdgens as well, and has a height of about 5.5".

scooter

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Yeah I think the MAST pan is a no brainer whether it fits or not, but the Holley pan is a bit cheaper at ~$400 compared to $429.99 plus fittings, dipstick, dipstick tube

Jim85IROC

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I like the engineering of the mast pan, especially the baffles.

mw66nova

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onyone know if the required gm dipstick and dipstick tube are by chance factory fbody pieces for the MAST pan?

Jim85IROC

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I would have to think an f-body dipstick would work. The pan is about the same depth and the stick goes through the block, not the pan. To that point, are truck dipsticks different than f-body dipsticks?

mw66nova

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yes, absolutetly different. they're longer. i ran a truck dipstick and trashed a motor because of it. i had a slow oil consumption issue and didn't realize it. the dipstick was laying down in the bottom of the sump, so when i put pulled the stick it was always showing oil. when i drained the pan, less than a quart came out. that was rough

White'89

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Screw the oil pan I want the intake manifold!

scooter

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The following parts are required to complete your oil pan installation.

•Dipstick - GM Part Number 12570788
•Dipstick Tube - GM Part Number 12570787
•LS Oil Pan Gasket - GM Part Number 12612305
•Oil Filter - AC Delco PN PF-46 or Equivalent

mw66nova

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i saw that. i was asking if those part numbers are BY CHANCE the stock fbody dipstick/tube?

scooter

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Compnine shows it as LS2 Corvette

five7kid

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If I had $7k available right now, I'd jump on that and forget what I had planned for the 6.0 in the '57.

Interesting their "application" link says it doesn't fit in a '57, though. Well, maybe it would have to go in the Camaro, then...

scooter

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I got my "Holley" pan in the car tonight and I have to say the fit is pretty good. I originally got this pan because I wanted to run the STOCK routing for the exhaust with manifolds on my LS swap and this pan looked like it fit the bill, and it does. My pan is actually the JZ Motorworks pan, but Holley bought them out of the design and the pans are very close, I think Holley made a few minor changes on the inside of the pan? Not sure though, but overall it looks the same.
All of these pictures are using Spohn mounts with stock rubber, worn out, LS1 bushings. I think with some poly mounts there would be a little more crossmember and centerlink clearance. I also had to drop the idler mount all the way down for the clearance you see. I also test fit this pan with Dirty Dingo mounts and stock lower Gen I mounts with Poly bushings and got another 1/4" clearance.

Another thing to note is that i dont know what my driveline angle is. I have the LS1 T56 jacked all the way up against the floor so the cup where the shifter bolts to is flat against the floor pan in that area, if there is supposed to be more clearance there this is going to improve the center link clearance.

Also the pictures are decieving, the pan does not hang below the crossmember. It only looks that way because of the angle of the camera phone. I was bracing against the car since my hands shake too much when trying to be still, lol.

Here are some pictures from tonight with Spohn mounts. I will post pics with the Dingo mounts tomorrow. The pan is blue from the tape I used to protect it since I am going to sell this pan after I take it out.

This picture shows the crossmember to pan clearance, its ~1/4" and the center link is a little more, maybe 5/16"


This is just a shot from the side a little.



This shows how much from the back of the k-member to the pan, no cutting or clearancing needed here! from the little "bump" on th back of the k-member to the front bottom edge of the pan is 4", 4.25 if you knock that bump down.
Again, I wanted to run stock exhaust routing on my car, and for the people in smog states, or dont want crappy clearance on the fabb'ed Y pipes, this is the ticket.



This is just a wider shot from the side



With the Dingo mounts I have about 3/8" at the crossmember to pan and maybe 5/8" to the centerlink to pan with the idler arm dropped all the way down.

mw66nova

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oh heck yeah! great news!!! thanks for posting the pics!

Jim85IROC

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That looks great. Thanks for posting! Now I have a dilemma. I already have an f-body pan, but that Holley (or Mast) looks pretty appealing.

scooter

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I didnt take a picture but, I was also able to raise the idler arm back up and there is still about 3/16 clearance for that. That is all the way up though and is not level, it is too high on the RH side, so it will have even more clearance if it was level.

Hard to tell in this picture since it is almost the same as the one above, but there is about 3/16 more clearance with the Dingo and poly mounts.

camarotucker

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An oil pan at $400+ isnt that far off of the price of a tubular k-member. The Corvette "batwing" will work with the Racecraft tubular K-member. I have seen the batwings as cheap as $30 on Ebay.

ptrblt100

Thank You Scooter nice work. I now know I can use the Holley pan I bought.

mw66nova

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as long as there are people not willing to do a tubular k-member, there will be a call for pans like this one. these pans will go down in price as others jump on board to build more like them. i'm surprised moroso and edelbrock haven't jumped in on this too. but i assume they will, and competition will drive pricing down.

the batwing pan will not support stock routing exhaust, which is what he is trying to accomplish.