ZONES89RS

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For I have sinned. Got a 80 stang I will be putting the 6.0 into from the TA. I will kill this thread now if there is any objection to results and build info. Only reason I am posting now is that I have see other non third gen vehicle results. I'll not make a thread as far as specs and details, but results when it is said and done. 2400 pounds and a carbed cammed 6.0 with a 150 shot will absolutely fly.

I chose a light option, what can I say.

ZONES89RS

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Also, I traded a XDM 9mm compact for it. Too good to pass up. Has tubular LS swap setup, suspension and the works.

InfernalVortex

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Fast and ugly!

ZONES89RS

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Yea, it is named "the ugly bastard".

mw66nova

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guess things are all better for you and your family?

Shagwell

Just for note - TRZ did a 3rd gen for "ultimate street" type racing, full cage, still sporting stock body panels, stock windsheild & side glass, ready to race with driver it's just under 2800lbs.

You can actually get a 3rd gen within 2-300lbs of a stang using the same lightweight components.

sweetmelissa

If it weren't for the mustangs chasing me down every time I take my Iroc out I probably wouldn't mind them as much but since they've become a total pain in my a** on the road,, always climbing up on me and trying to push me out of the way and just being total jerks I can't stand them.. I've actually had one spin around in traffic and start following me. there are a few that live near me that drive by my house and rev the engines every time...One time I had one following me so I took him to a highway onramp and as soon as I approached the ramp (had my turn signal on) I punched it and went straight and he went down the onramp highway bound.. see ya later jerk!!!!

Not a fan of mustangs !!!!!!!

ZONES89RS

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Far from it, but the wold does not stop turning. I try to use things like the cars to keep my mind off the baby. Trying to find the drive to work on the cars. 4 projects lined up, and I have not touched a single one. Think I'll try to pull some parts off the 89 today....maybe. Really hard to find that drive that I had before. I never used to sit at the house this much. Held my newest niece yesterday and it took all I had not to cry. Just made me want my little one back so much I couldn't stand it.


Yep, would still not be as fast. Not to mention, this thing started at 2600 pounds. My 89 was 3150 without me. That was 90% of the unneeded parts removed. Dash and AC was still in. This came with a K member, a third gen K member is over twice the price. Just cost effective. The platform for drag racing is too hard to beat. This will be 2700 lbs with my 300 pound self sitting in it.

Shagwell

I can't even begin to imagine.......

Do what? Weight for weight there is nothing faster about a stang than an f-body, and without some very trick parts(including composite body panels) curb-weight with driver is more than 2600lbs unless you're talking base-weight no motor/driver/fuel/etc, which is not a fair comparison to 3150 with everything but the driver. - I know with a NA/nitrous street-type combo the weight makes a little more difference, but for me 250lbs is less than a .1 difference in ET. It is however a lot harder on parts & less consistent on a "bad" surface.

Cost-effective wise I'd agree, there's simply a lot more people modding them thus higher production qty = lower cost.



Nothing against what you're doing as I'm really not brand loyal(fast is fast, and as many know I have a notchback stang as well as the camaro), just noting that other than the "cost-effective" stand-point there isn't anything really any better with either platform.

ZONES89RS

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This thing just starts at 2600 pounds stock, literally. The third gens start at 3400-3500 for me. This car will be 2400 pounds with the iron 6.0 in it. Roughly 750 pounds lighter than the RS. Going to eve night an day difference.

xpndbl3

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where did you see mustangs are 2600 stock? I read 3100-3200

ZONES89RS

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Depends on the model. My coupe is 2600, others are 2560, enough to make you sick. Buddy of mine weighed his full interior 383 Chevy powered coupe and it was 2580.

Here is the title:


Pretty wild.

unknown_host

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Keep us posted!

Personally, I am seeing... remove the window tint, primer the car white, get rid of parts with over spray, possibly trade wheels for drag lights or something light.

Podium

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Put it on a scale. Your a fool if you think that car was 2600 stock.

mw66nova

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i agree.

ZONES89RS

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I can tell you this, all my title weights have been within 50 pounds of actual scale weight. This should be no different. I will let you know when it is done, how much it weighs. Billy flanto on ls1tech went 9.8 in the 1/4 with a stock lq9, 799 heads milled .040 and a polluter cam all motor. He said his coupe was at 2400ish. Sounds fun. I just wish our longer heftier third gens would get so low.

That is pretty much the plan. Probably be primered gray. Clean up the over spray of course. I like the wheels that are on it, but they are useless to me. Should find a drag pack setup pretty easily.

mr305

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LSx poweres Stang!?

Blasphemy!!!

Should definately make a good contender

ZONES89RS

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I fear exile, what can I say.

InfernalVortex

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Meh, the LSx probably belongs in a stang more than an F-body considering you can bolt Ford heads to them.

Shagwell

x3. - Curb weight of a 302 fox coupe with stock interior & a/c is around 3300-3400lbs, I've seen it on a scale many times. - The same weight deductions of gutting either platform is available.


My fox coupe is nothing but the skin of the stock body, fiberglass nose, doors, deck lid, lexan windows, etc and with an aluminum headed BBC it's 2630 with my 200# butt in the seat. - I'll give your LS -200 from my BBC and my 200# self, but ain't no way a complete stock shell with suspension bracing, glass windows, etc is only a few hundred heavier than mine.

For note, my camaro can get within 100# of the mustang, and it's still sporting a stock front clip(including the steel fenders & urethane nose).

Shagwell

Side note - SWEET that it's a 4-eye.

ZONES89RS

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We shall see, glad you like. Got my 85/86 nose to throw on.

I'll be happy with 2600ish pounds. Cannot see getting my RS that light though, or close to it. 2900 is about as light as I could figure. I was pretty much out of crap to remove at 3150.

Podium

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Really? My iroc sits at 3280 sompletely stock. It only has power locks though. Im suprised thats all you could get it down too.

ZONES89RS

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Well, I added weight with a 12 bolt, the t56 is heavier than the t5, the heavy sub fram connectors are not joke. Still had a heater and did not gut the dash. This was with a glass hood, front-rear and door impact bars removed. No front sway bar, but still had factory a arms and K member.

86iroc2try

Good luck with it!! We built and race a 93 notchback with a 414" sbf and have been 9.50s with it. Run 10.00 index mainly with it...but they are nice little race cars..and cheaper.

Im building another mustang for a friend with a 1000+hp turbo motor...but ill be driving it at the track.

Good luck

whatever84

A buddy of mine has a 85 mustang LS 5.0 that was pretty gutted with aluminium RHS heads and it weighed 3040... My title says my car weighs 2800 lbs but I weighed it at 3120(it has since been on a diet). Should be fun when your done though...




Mark.

ZONES89RS

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Thanks guys. It is killin me not to be working on it right this second.

ZONES89RS

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This will get 1 7/8 primary headers. On the 89 and 86 TA, I used 1 3/4. Anyone able to account for any ET or mph gained from a larger primary as I listed? 3 companies make ls1 swap headers for a manufacturer that doesn't make a ls1, and there are only 2 for our third gens....conspiracy I tell ya.

Shagwell

^ Local guy with a 9 sec NA c6 vette only picked up a couple peak hp/tq with 1-7/8 over the 1-3/4, and lost severa average hp/tq. - He tried a lot of things on the track but the car simply slowed down with the bigger headers, went back to the 1-3/4 and got the ET back.

I don't think they work without more cubes and/or forced induction.

ZONES89RS

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Well, any idea of what the combination was? I won't mind the 1 7/8 because of larger cubes can use them later. But if that Vette was a 408+, that's pretty crazy.

NemeSS-TyranT

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More header options for dam foxbodies than turd gens, and cheaper, better fitting, aint that a b!$h.

Im sure it will fly.
Im just gonna have to make more power to overcome the weight on my rs.
Remove unneccesary weight. But it will have full functioning ac and heater.

xpndbl3

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most ls guys pick up swapping to 1 7/8" headers over 1 3/4" ones. Look at the texas speed thread about that from a few years ago, these were cam only cars too.

Fast 383

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Your not alone. I have swam into the muddy waters as well.

I made a bunch of moves with my cars and bought a new house. After getting into the new house I had to start all over with the car thing. I only had a minimum amount of money to spend so I wanted best bang for the buck.

I found this car for $5k and it was exactly what I wanted to buy and put a nitrous kit on. when I called the guy he said the headgasket blew and he would sell it for $2500. It was a no brainer and I pulled the trigger. My goal is to go 10's for $5k.

1986 Mustang GT. '91 Rebuilt bottom end with new crank, rods and stock pistons. Comp custom cam, AFR 185 heads and roller rockers. Edelbrock intake, BBK long tube and flows, 5 speed and 4.10's.







To get to my goal of tens on NOS, I have done the following.

New Cometic head gaskets, New Head and intake stud kits. New Trick flow R-series intake, and a brand new NX Twin Gemini plate kit 50-300. I also did abigger throttle body, inlet and MAF. And EGR delete.

I think i'm at about $5k but this car should hit the 10's I'm hoping.

ZONES89RS

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So.....when you gonna drop a LS in it? Lol

I will be in the 10s beyond a reasonable doubt for 4500-5k. Maybe even high 9s if it runs as stout as billy flantos did on tech. But, he had higher compression and 4.11s. So, if I am low 10s, fantastic. We will see. My motor went 11.18 on 1 pass with a 6 speed, this dropping 400 or more pounds and a automatic ought to hit at least 10.99 right? Lol

Shagwell

quick search on our local forum - it's an '06 ZO6, motor was opened because it dropped a valve. I was wrong though, it has gone slightly faster on the 1-7/8 after swapping to the better intake.


Mods:
Stock milled heads .030
Bronze exhaust guides
Solid stainless Ferrea exhaust valves
Ragin Racin punisher cam (236/256 .660/.660) and complimenting springs
Smith brothers 3/8 pushrods
Morel link bar lifters
Mahle 11.5:1 forged pistons (lighter that the stock ones BTW)
Arp head bolts
Arp 2000 rod bolts
Stock rods reconditioned by Crower
Aviad trap door oil pan insert
Lingenfelter zr1 twin disk clutch
Tick master cylinder
Ported throttle body by Jeremy Formato
Vararam intake
LG 1 7/8 headers
Modded stock mufflers
Yella Terra roller rockers
Meziere electric water pump


Here's his dyno chart with the 1-7/8 being the first run & the 1-3/4 being the second. The bigger headers were worth 14 peak HP, but lost 5 peak TQ

Fast 383

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I've considered it. These Ford motors are junk. 400hp and you may lose the bottom end

Shagwell

I know a transmission & converter guy that can help make that thing MOVE......

ZONES89RS

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Interesting ****, seems worth it to me in a light cat with a 4500 converter. Might even go with a super Vic later. Especially if I end up with a larger cube one day.

lunati397

hey its the only way to make a mustang fast in the panhandle in fl the fastest mustang around (legal racetrack) was a chevy motor

NemeSS-TyranT

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Musta been a slow nite.
My friend that use to work with me at old job. Has a 8.9-9.0 n/a
Sbf dart block 427 with ported afr heads and dart intake. Car was built for track, but we drove to fun ford weekend one time. He drove and i followed. Drove to and from.
its pretty rad. hes a true ford guy.
Prrove dont need a heartbeat when blood runs ice water blue.
His fave saying. Lol

ZONES89RS

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So it runs .8 better than billy flantos did with a stock long block 6.9 with cam and carb and had extra go fast parts and 60 more cubes? I is not impressed. Lol

ZONES89RS

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Oh yea, scored 26x11.5x17 ET streets, hope they hook. Should be fine.

xpndbl3

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Do you know how much .8 is when talking in the 9s for power?

ZONES89RS

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Sure do. Just bet a stroked 6.0 would run harder. And I knew someone would say that. Billy's carb was out of the box as well, I'm sure he had more in it to tell you the truth.

Shagwell

lol

ZONES89RS

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Just doesn't seem fair. The impact bar mounts actually unbolt and come out. Unlike our third gen. Took that off when swapping the nose. Took the sagging doors off and installed a new set I got from a mustang guy on wsm for 50$. The doors that came off had the door sticker saying 2570 lbs. Sure I'll jump on a set of a arms if I find some just to save some more weight.

ZONES89RS

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You guys will have to forgive my whining but man, our headers selection for our thirds is lackluster. Got these for less than what we get ours for, they are not stainless but I would have been happy with mild steel for my third gen swaps.

660$ through jegs or summit for these 1 7/8 primary 3.5 collectors. Dynatechs version is a 3 inch collector for 610$ or so. The looks have the cone in the collector, not sure about dynatech.

xpndbl3

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I have that in my mandrel bends and flanges at least....what a good price

ZONES89RS

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Yours are probably stainless though right?

xpndbl3

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No mild steel.