Duck

Today I received a nice package from Ed Miller, with everything I need to upgrade the 9-bolt "girlie" size little rear disk brakes and iron calipers with big rotors and loaded "he-man" PBRs with SpeedBleeders, heh. I'm very impressed with the quality and the cost was about $550, a bit more than if I scrounged around for the parts myself, but a good deal considering I saved a whole bunch of time and Ed M. is The Man in this dept and knows his stuff.

Not shown in the photo are the hard lines from FineLine, rear brake cables and rotors [I opted to buy Raybestos rotors here in Hawaii instead of paying huge shipping to get them FedEx.

acescarrsRS

Very nice! I bet you can't wait to get them on I forgot how nice the calipers looked when new lol!

Duck

Actually, I'm not in a hurry. I bought them as replacement parts to install when the original equipment needs attention, the existing pads are getting thin, when they expire all the old stuff comes out and when the axles are removed to replace the caliper mounts, both wheel bearings get replaced. Oh, also need to change the master cylinder from '87 to '90-92...

acescarrsRS

I keep forgetting that your car is an 87. It's the gfx that always throws it off for me lol!

Rainman

wow those are really nice looking. let me know how they work i think my rear brakes are starting to crap out. where did you get them? i dont know who ed miller is.

3rdGenBlackBird

What's the difference between those master cylinders?

From what I've read so far, there are 3 different mc's. The early 4wd 1" bore, the later 15/16" bore, and the 1le (haven't come across the difference for 1le yet.)

Any other differences besides bore size?

What pads did you decide on (or came with the loaded calipers)?

Scott

Duck

According to what I've researched, there are two versions of the MC's 90-92 and the earlier ones. I don't know if any of the 4th Gen stuff is applicable. For some reason, there are two parts number series for the 90-92 MC, but the specs are exactly the same. Ed Miller says any of the 90-92's will work correctly with the PBR rear and/or front disk brake calipers. He also said the stock '87 proportioning valve will work fine with iron or PBR's on the back, but if the PBR's or 1LE calipers are used up front, then I have to change to the 1LE proportioning valve, PN 14080496.

Here's a link with more detail -- http://www.ws6transam.org/1LEbrake.html

3rdGenBlackBird

Would anyone happen to know where I can get rebuild kits for my pbr's? Checker has "one at the warehouse" which I could get "around saturday."

One kit that late in the week doesn't help me much. Napa and CarQuest were both close when I called. Hopefully, one of these places can get me two kits before the weekend.

Checker NEVER has the stuff I need....

Scott

Duck

BTW, don't know if the 9-bolt you bought has the hardlines back to where it ties into the main system. If not, you might need them. New hardlines were included in my PBR kit, to replace the old '87 hardlines. Anyway, if you need 'em, you can borrow the "Finelines" to make a copy. I'd hate to see you pull your car apart to install the 9-bolt rear, then run amok 'cause you're short a part...

3rdGenBlackBird

I thought I saw it on the rear, but I'd have to double check with Anthony. If I am missing something, it would be nice to have a model to copy. I am trying to mentally go through this so I don't have any "gotchas," primarily because I'm trying to do this quickly on a tight budget, but more importantly because I don't think my teacher would put up with me not finishing my car in time for finals week.

As far as the banjo gaskets go, I think I found an assortment at the shop so if they aren't included it shouldn't be a big deal. Worst case is that I won't have enough but I'd know the correct size to buy.

Are the pistons steel? That's one of the last things I forgot to think about. I didn't even price pistons so I'm hoping they are in good, reusable shape.

Scott

3rdGenBlackBird

Screw Checker, I'm through with them. They have good hours and a nice large store- that's it.

I called NAPA and CarQuest today. Both were, of course, out of the rear caliper kits, but... <i>both</i> said they could get them to the store by 11:30~1:30. I told them both to get me a pair of kits, just in case one product is incorrect or incomplete. Tomorrow, I will check out both (probably buy both) to compare them for anyone else interested in rebuilding their calipers. I'll either return the kits I don't use or hold 'em if anyone here wants 'em at cost.

Napa is $11.22 each and CarQuest is $11.75 each. So, $24~25 compared to $31 if ordered from PartsAmerica with 2-day shipping. The CSK kit is known to be complete with all PBR parts, and comes with instructions. (Which will be useful if the diagrams I've seen are correct....)

As far as rear pads go, the cheapest set Checker had for me were just over $55 after my very minimal discount. (Saved like $2.50) I've never heard of the brand that made 'em, but they also had a couple different Raybestos pads for a little more.

I contacted Servco Auto Parts on Sand Island because they are one of the only Bendix distributors, and they had my rear pads IN STOCK and held 'em for me (last pair.) At "only" $55.20 (walk-in, don't know jobber price) for better quality, I can't argue with that. Front pads are $35.09, walk-in also.

I'll be picking all that up tomorrow morning before class. Hopefully, my Summit junk will be here tomorrow afternoon. Time to get things rollin'....

Scott

Duck

Couple more things as you move toward refreshing the PBR 9-bolt that might be good to know:

Have the rotors been turned?

Does it have the emergency brake lines? [which are different from the non-PBR rears].

There might also be a brass block where the lines tie into that you need...

3rdGenBlackBird

Rotors are raw and uncut... will cut them at the shop if they still have meat on 'em. Otherwise, I'm going to have to jack the ones off the '97 sitting a couple stalls over. Well, that's my teacher's brother's camaro and I wouldn't anyway, but I'm really hoping I won't need new rotors just yet. I have no problem spending and waiting for quality rotors down the line, but right now I just need it working.

I believe most or all the cables are attached to the rear. I might be ghetto-rigging it if something is missing....

Quote:

There might also be a brass block where the lines tie into that you need...

For the banjo bolt? Not sure what it is, since I haven't really looked over a rear disc setup. Which lines are you talking about? The 'T'-fitting? Or are you talking about the cables? Or hoses?

I sure hope I don't end up missing half of the small parts!

Thanks,
Scott

91RSHawaii

well i hope all goes well with both of your brake jobs...

all looks well for most of us as we head to the end of the year...
hopefully by summertime we'll all have running, working cars hehe.

Duck

It's connected to the brake lines in the photo posted here earlier.

acescarrsRS

Answers for Scott.

rotors turned? nope, sorry man.

Got the emergency brake lines.

Also got the brass distribution block along with the hard lines all on the rear.

3rdGenBlackBird

Summit parts came in tonight.

1) Earl's Hyperfirm (stainless steel braided) hoses #300 (4wd, J65, 89-92) [$96]

2) Wilwood Adjustable Proportioning Valve [$40]

3) Biondo Line Lock [$40]

4) Earl's Solo-Bleeder #41 (Rear PBR) [$10]

After shipping, handling fee, and my $10 coupon (from my first purchase) it came out to $200.

Some notes-

The Earl's kit comes with the crush washers/gaskets.

The Wilwood prop valve looks VERY good, I can't wait to try it out.

The Biondo line lock looks good, but I've never examined one before so I have nothing to compare it to.

The Solo-bleeders are nice, have used them before. I worry about the springs being too weak, but so far no problems. (One spring from each pair on the car now was significantly weaker, but this pair seems better.)

Also, the replacement PBR pistons are aluminum, so I'm assuming the factory's are also. I'm sure the bore/piston will be fine. I was just worried if they are phenolics (plastic).

Notes from the rebuild kits up next.

3rdGenBlackBird

Stupidly, I left them in my car (at the shop) so I couldn't snap any pics tonight. I'll grab a couple this weekend so you guys can see what the kit SHOULD look like if you ever need them.

Here's the pic from partsamerica, which is the same thing. (The tiny o-ring looking thing isn't in any of the three kits I have.)



Facts- all the kits are manufactured by PBR in Australia. Regardless of the brand on the box, AND regardless of the "MADE IN USA" stickers. They are ALL PBR. (Which is good.)

Do not pay for a kit that has been opened unless you know exactly what should be in the kit. Of the five I've looked at, four were opened and at least TWO were incomplete.

Each kit SHOULD come with manufacturer's instructions. I have two versions, but again, forgot to bring them so I can't scan them. The older one includes another diagram that looks like a parking brake picture. (Haven't checked it out too thoroughly yet.) I'll swap one of the newer ones for that so I'll have both to scan later.

Even with a factory service manual, you WILL want the instructions. Look at the above pic again. For reference, go look at any front disc caliper kit. One seal and one dust boot. (Other calipers need grommets and grease, but basically two parts.) Make sure you have as many different instructions as you can get your hands on.

Now as for where to get your kit... go to NAPA. Don't bother with any of the other chains.

Checker can't get the cheaper kit (remember, they are all the exact same thing) and they have to order their more expensive kit. (Taking days, if they even have any "at the warehouse....")

CarQuest can get them quickest, but they cost more than TWICE the price. They quoted me $11.75 on the phone, and the guy said he told me $18.75 over the phone, regardless he claimed he had to get another brand and the next cheapest was $23 <b>PER</b> kit! I got one anyway to compare, and they better let me return it. (I also got my Royal Purple gear oil from them and $11.20 per quart.) They had an older kit because the instructions are the previous revision. It was also torn open, and the bottle of cleaner was broken so everything was wet. The box claims 'MADE IN USA' yet every single part says 'PBR' on it. The one I bought was also missing a grommet. The other one I opened looked complete. Don't bother with CarQuest.

NAPA called me back right away and didn't take much longer to get the kits. They were indeed $11.22 per kit. The one I opened in the store was already opened and rewrapped in another bag with the PBR part number stickered on it. It was complete except for instructions, grease, and cleaner. The second box was the ONLY one I looked at with the factory PBR bag, unopened and complete. (It actually had an extra grommet or two.) I called them up and explained it, they said, "no problem, I can get another kit in by tomorrow morning." Exchanged it today, it was the factory bag with instructions. The bag was opened, but nothing was missing and I think they were just checking for the things I listed as missing from the other one. (Grease, Cleaner, Instructions....)

Aside from other parts stores (didn't try redline yet) your last bet is to order it from CSK (PartsAmerica.com) at just over $33 shipped 2-day air for the deuce. It's the exact same kit, and probably unmolested, but if you do have to exchange it you'll probably wind up with a lot more problems.

Summation- go straight to NAPA.

Will post pics on sunday.

Scott

3rdGenBlackBird

Also got the pads yesterday.

Bendix Semi-Metallic pads from Servco Auto Parts on Sand Island. (Auiki St is HARD to find...)

MKD-154 $35.09 + tax
MKD-413 $55.20 + tax

Rears comes with anti-squeak gel/grease. The fronts didn't, don't know if they are supposed to. The box says 'Includes Shims' but aren't any. I think only fixed calipers needs shims anyway.

They had both in stock, but I don't think they stock them regularly. At least not the rears, the guy said he'll hold 'em for me since it was his last pair. They are one of the only distrubuters so they can get them for you if you want.

Raybestos is the same price from Checker, and they have another brand. "Sat..." was printed on my price request receipt. I think 'Satisfied' or somethin' stupid like that. Didn't price any pads anywhere else locally. Didn't know how TINY these rear pads are.

Forgot to grab grease/bearing seals so I didn't finish my fronts today. But, aside from those and a couple adapters/fittings for the valves, I have every other little thing... except the actual hardware.

Anthony, I got my check today so I'll have the cash for you this weekend. I'll call you tomorrow to figure out how we'll do this.

Scott

acescarrsRS

Looks like you're good to go Scott. Very good write up on all the replacement parts also. Thanks! I'm gonna have to archive this thread now Also, if you can't make arrangements to get a truck to haul away the rear I'd be willing to haul it over to your place myself. It's gonna have to be on Sunday or Monday if I bring it to you though. Just let me know. Laterz!

Anthony

3rdGenBlackBird

The fronts have some shim-like thing riveted to the plate. I thought it was an anti-rattle thing, but my teacher told me to use the (red) anti-rattle gel we have around anyway. I noticed a light squeak at least from the driver's side, so off they come to re-gel it tomorrow. (Enough of my car makes noise already, don't need more....)

I got the wheel seals and the caliper hardware kits also from CarQuest. (Going to a different one, the Kalihi CQ is MUCH better than the kaimuki one.) It's already installed so no pics but I'll post the part numbers later tonight. The hardware kit just has the two bearings and 4 grommets per kit.

Pics and part numbers coming later tonight.

Scott

3rdGenBlackBird

Forgot my camera in my car (at my parking garage). Pics coming this week, hopefully both scans of the PBR overhauling instructions also. (Never used a scanner before.)

Here are the part numbers and prices. All the pricing is before tax at walk-in or internet-matched prices. I forgot to ask about student discounts....

Usually there are similar number endings between different brands.

PBR Caliper Overhaul Kit (PBR 63-2746) - NAPA - United Brake Parts - NUP 2746 - $11.22

Stainless Steel Hose Kit for PBR rear- Summit - Earl's Hyperflex - 28A300ERL - $95.95

Check-Valve Bleeder Screws for PBR's - Summit - Earl's SoloBleeders - 280041ERL - $9.25

Delco-Moraine Caliper Kit (885) - CSK - Raymold - 30885 - $5.79

Delco Hardware Kit - CarQuest - (???) - H5524 - $4.26

Wheel/Bearing Seals - CarQuest - Federal-Mogul - 8871 - $2.03*

*Didn't ask for regular price, that was after my discount. Also, part is 'Hecho En Mexico.'

Didn't price/buy - Any pistons, bridge pins, or brake cables.

PBR rebuild kit SHOULD include the hardware parts. (Pics later this week will show exactly what your kit is supposed to include.)

Scott

[edit:] The Delco kit p/n is "68-885" on the package; although, the box as well as the website show 30885. Can't find that p/n anywhere and don't know if this is something other than Raybestos or not. It is US made, however.

Duck

On a flatbed scanner, set it up to scan RGB color, 200 dpi, then process the files to correctly adjust gamma, highlights and shadows, use sharpen tool as necessary. Materials without color should be converted to Greyscale. Make two sets of files, one for archiving, the other for web display.

Archive set -- 8.5x11-inches, 200 dpi, JPG quality setting 6. Files will be about 300-400K.

Web display set -- 8.5x11-inches, 72 dpi, JPG setting 2. File sizes will be about 60-80K. Insert "72" in the filename so they don't get mixed up or overwrite the archive files.

If you have problems, email them to me Luckyducky_96701@yahoo.com or come over after work.

When you do the rear PBR rebuild, are you planning to install new axle bearings?

3rdGenBlackBird

Thanks. If I get each side with one "shot" it is longer than 11" I think.

I won't replace the bearings unless I need to. Are they difficult to come by?

Scott

Duck

Well, since you don't have to pull the axles to do the brake stuff, it's easier to not worry about them, unless they make noise. In my case, when I put the PBR's on the back, I have to pull the axles to change the mounting plate anyway -- so long as they're out I'll do them.

Axle bearings -- Auto Zone has the cheapest price on Timken Axle Bearings (8.99 each) Part # Set-9. The new seals are timken part # 710179 for the passenger side (9.99) and 224255 (3.99) for the driver's side.

3rdGenBlackBird

Anthony and I didn't hear anything with it unloaded. Either way I won't have time for it. My teacher keeps tellin' me I should have brought it in during suspension class for this.

That's good to know Ed. Please let us know if you get those without any problems, or if you get another brand or something. This thread will be great for anyone else locally trying to piece together PBR's and/or 9-bolts.

Trying to get these PBR overhaul instructions scanned right now. Maybe Ed could put these all together in a more organized fashion along with the factory service manual instructions for one everything-you-need pdf. I'll try to take some decent pics (with my horrible camera) of the caliper rebuild tomorrow.

Scott

3rdGenBlackBird

I just can't do computers. Got sick of this and lost access to a scanner hours ago. Don't know how to modify or resize pictures. Here's the best I've got so far. There are a couple more scans that didn't come out good enough to add yet. I'll give 'er another try some other time.

Also, I found a note I wrote down last week stating "Pistons - $19 each - Aluminum" on the back of a parts listing. I cannot remember if this is from NAPA or CarQuest... but I <i>think</i> it was NAPA.

PBR Overhaul

Hope the link work okay. Otherwise I'll just email it....

Scott

3rdGenBlackBird

<b>Rear PBR Rotor Specifications</b>

Stamped Into Rotor: Minimum Thickness 18.4mm (0.724")


From Wagner Brake Guide:

O.E. Nominal - .795"
Machine To - .744"
Discard At - .724"
Variation from Parallelism - .0005"
Runout TIR - .005"

Mounting Bolts - 70 lb-ft.
Hex Head - 26 lb-ft.
Allen Head - 16 lb-ft.


From PBR Instructions:

Variation from Parallelism - 0.15mm (0.006")
Pivot Pin - 16~20 lb-ft.
Hex Head - 24~40 lb-ft.
'Cap' Head* - 24~40 lb-ft.
Inlet Fittings - 30 lb-ft.
Bleeder Screws - 7~10 lb-ft.

*Older Manual calls for 16-18 lb-ft.

The 'Inlet Fitting' is the banjo bolt.
The 'Hex' heads are probably the guide pin bolts.
I believe the 'Cap' heads are allen heads. Probably the guide pins.


That's all for now.

Scott

3rdGenBlackBird

HydraAir sells Earl's parts.

Not sure if they stock solo-bleeders or not, but they have the stainless braided hoses made to fit. So, bring in your old hoses and they'll build it there.

I'll try to find my old hoses if anyone wants to take 'em in sometime, but if I haven't thrown them out yet it'd only be the front two and center rear. Better than nothing if you don't want to have much third gen downtime. Or, cross reference the correct kit to the measurements, because they don't sell any kits.

The Wilwood valve has adapters for inverted (double) flare ends BUT there is a female flare end in the ports (I thought it was only a threaded hole). It's either ISO (bubble) or standard, I guess I'll find out when I try to install it.

Old lady at HydraAir told me that nobody makes a male threaded adapter with a female ISO flare. But, she didn't seem to know jack compared to the guy I talked to on Friday, so I hope I can find what I need before I have to install these valves and hack up my lines (while in the car) for inverted flares.

Are the factory fittings metric threads for any or all years? I didn't check but I assume so.

Scott

3rdGenBlackBird

As usual, my pictures came out bad.

Here's one of the few decent ones, showin' everything that should be included with the overhaul kit.

Except, it should only have two guide pin boots instead of three.



It doesn't include most of the parking brake parts. The two collar return springs are fragile, and the adjustment screw doesn't look very sturdy either. If I had more time I'd try to locate proper replacements without paying the dealers' rediculous prices, but I need them installed yesterday so maybe next time.

Also, make sure to use the correct lubricant. There is a "liquid lubricant" in the bottle and a grease in the bag ("sachet"). I didn't notice the specific (but not well written) directions until I finished rebuilding the first caliper. (Maybe the updated instructions are better, I was goin' off the older one.) Oh well, we'll see what happens....

Scott

3rdGenBlackBird

The hex and allen head bolts are guide pin bolts, which bolt into the guide pins.

Also, the parking brake (lever) <i>feels</i> strong but the actual braking effect is <i><b>very</i></b> weak. The lever feels non-linear.

Otherwise the rear service brakes aren't much weaker than the drums at the same pressure.

Scott

HI85WH1

OK... I gotta ask...

Whats PBR? (please dont mind my f body ignorance)

acescarrsRS

I don't know if PBR stands for anything. Basically it's just an Australian brake company that makes brake components for various cars. It's just "f-body slang" to say just "I have PBR's". You really are just saying that you have brakes from PBR, an Australian company.

Anthony

Duck

Patons Brakes Replacements

Aussie company, here's the link.

http://www.pbr.com.au/servlet/rwp-ps...play/Home+Page

1927 - Patons Brakes Replacements formed
1948 - First OE contract
1950 - Development of air brakes
1960 - Commenced clutch production at East Bentleigh
1963 - First disc brake assemblies
1967 - Aluminium master cylinders introduced
1970 - Brake systems supplied to Toyota, Mitsubishi and Nissan
1975 - Aluminium calipers first introduced to Australia
1982 - Establishment of BCIA Detroit
1983 - Commenced first export of O.E. braking systems to USA. Full Corvette braking system - the world's lightest slimline caliper & lightest booster (plastic).
1985 - Establishment of Repco Brake & Clutch
1986 - BBA Group PLC (UK) acquired Repco Brake & Clutch and formed Brake and Clutch Industries Australia
1989 - Formation of Pacific BBA Ltd as a public company and listed on the stock exchange
1990 - PBR Malaysia established
1990 - Export sales reach $A10 million
1991 - One millionth aluminium caliper exported to USA

HI85WH1

Thanks Ed

abcx09t

Can you photo and outline the process for the 9-bolt axle removal and bearing replacement. It will help me a great deal when I do mine. Thanks for all of the thirdgeners that need this info.

Scott

abcx09t

Can you photo and outline the process for the 9-bolt axle removal and bearing replacement. It will help me a great deal when I do mine. Thanks for all of the thirdgeners that need this info.

Scott

Duck

Although the procedure is well-documented here, there isn't a photo walk-through. Basically though, the 9-bolt axle removal and bearing replacement is quite simple. Hardest part for me is getting off my butt to start the job, 'cause I also want to upgrade the front and rear brakes to 1LE standard.

When I actually do the job, I'll do a photo how-to, similar to the earlier 9-bolt positraction rebuild.

HI85WH1

Those are the same ones on the '95 T/A...

anyone know if someone makes parts to adapt those to a 8.5 GN rear?...

Since I'll have the rest of the drivetrain in the SS, I might as well replace those useless 9.5" drums...

Duck

Recently I bought a 9-bolt rear upgrade package from Ed Miller, with everything required to upgrade little Monroe iron calipers and little rear disk rotors to "he-man" PBRs with SpeedBleeders and 12-inch rotors [NOTE: does not include rotors which I bought and installed on the '92 Z28]. The cost was $525 plus $60 FEDEX. Parts include new stainless Finelines, Earls stainless brake lines, new backing plates and loaded PBR calipers with mounting housings. I also spent another $100 on new GM axle shaft seals and all new axle bearings necessary to refurbish the rear when taken apart for the brake upgrade.
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From Ed Miller -- rear PBR kit is $650 and includes the following: loaded rebuilt PBR calipers, new Raybestos rotors, GM backing plates for either 9 or 10 bolt rears, all new brake lines (Earl's
braided and new OEM hard lines), all hardware, and new e-brake cables.
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Well, situations change ... I changed my mind about working on the Borg Warner nine-bolt and decided my next rear will be a big nine-inch, so no need for the parts sitting on the shelf. Hmm, I blasted about $700 into the parts, sigh. Here's a couple of options to buy them: (1) with the new, loaded PBR calipers $400. (2) with dirty, used rebuildable PBR calipers $350. It's a worthwhile upgrade to have decent rear brakes on a 3rd Gen! Also keep in mind that with the 10-bolt backing plates, these brake parts will also fit the 10-bolt rears same as the '91-92 PBR rear brakes.

Here's info on the brake kit from Mr. Miller -- Thanks for your interest in my 12” PBR rear disc brake kit, I’m sure you will be pleased with its quality, performance, and price compared to other aftermarket kits on the market. My kits will come complete with everything you need to install them.

The rear Standard kit will come with the following parts:

New Raybestos 12” x .81” rotors; Rebuilt/Remanufactured calipers complete with new GM banjo bolts, copper crush washers, and (if needed), new caliper bleeder screws; GM Caliper carriers and guide pins; New brake pads; New GM disc backing plates, 9 or 10 bolt rears; New emergency brake cables;

New Earl’s braided SS flex brake lines (3 pc.); New OEM axle hard brake lines (2); New flex line to hard brake line brackets and clips; All necessary mounting hardware; Calipers are guaranteed for 1 year, are glass bead blasted clean and will function as good as new. Caliper pistons and bleeder screws are replaced as necessary if damaged.

My price is $650 for the Standard kit. It will take roughly 3 weeks from ordering the kit to when you will find it on your doorstep, assuming no problems with shipping and my suppliers.

Pics of the kit can be seen in a link farther down in the thread.

Blackbari

I noticed the thread was started a year ago. Where can this kit be bought? Or was this kit parts Ed Miller got for you and sold it to you as a kit? Is he here in the USA or in Australia? Any URL or contact information on Ed Miller? The link in your last post doesn't work or may be temporarily down. Thanks!

abcx09t

Ebmiller88@aol.com

Ed's email address and member name in Thirdgen.org

Duck

Sorry 'bout the broken link, here's the Ed Miller site.
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/taramiller72/my_photos
Goto PBR Calipers and PBR Brakes for his online catalog. The site also has really good step-by-step installation photos for brake upgrades.

I have the purchase receipt dated Oct 2004. My intent was to have these parts onhand for when the time came to do maintainance on the 9-bolt rear, such as if an axle bearing or brake pads needed changing and the car was up on stands, I'd merely swap out the old with the new. I couldn't stand the idea of replacing worn out parts that didn't work worth a crap even when fresh from the factory, with new parts just as crappy -- the PBR/12-inch/stainless setup is a huge improvement over the stock thirdgen iron brakes. But now I want a much bigger rear end that will come with new brakes anyway, sigh.

3rdGenBlackBird

What are you sayin' exactly, Ed?

You're selling off your unused PBR setup? Or, your entire 9-bolt with moraines?

Duck

The post is only that the PBR brake upgrade kit is for sale at a price substantially less than originally purchased. I'll do minor repairs on the 9-bolt until the 9-inch is purchased, then most likely just give the BW 9-bolt away. Interested?

3rdGenBlackBird

Naw, I'd need another f-body first.

What are your plans for rear brakes on the 9"?

irocnroll89

iTrader: (4)

Ed you got a PM. Please let em know.

Duck

Since I have 12-inch rotors and PBRs [1LE] in storage for the front, I'll have Curry or whomever prepares the 9-inch for my F-body weld flanges to bolt-on a set of 4th Gen PBR backing plates. This will enable using the 1LE-size 12-inch rotors [I bought a set of Raybestos "Brute Stop" drilled/slotted 12-inchers for the PBR setup on the '92 and they are awesome]. Right now I have three complete sets of PBR rear calipers to choose from, so that's the logical upgrade path for me, instead of spending another 1K or so on Brembo's etc.