fattie92

ok guys,, my friends keep nagging me to get nitrous but i refuse to get it just to run a 13.5 or around there. all my friends are rice burner guys and they have nitrous on there rides. they only run 14.5's when they are lucky. i refuse to use nitrous to beat them!!! i will kick there *** ALL MOTOR!!!!! who else is running ALL MOTOR and damn proud of it????

brodyscamaro

i think IROCZTWENTYGR8 is anti power adder

not me though, although there is no nitrous under my hood

PonchoTA

I'm with you guys, if I can't make a good run with just motor, then I don't need to be drivin'!!

You'll love this... I adamantly refuse to believe that a 305 motor can't be made to go fast.

Later!

dimented24x7

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nitrous is bs... It enables someone with a mostly stock motor in like a hoda civic lx to suddely go somewhat fast (as long as the motor permits). I believe the motor should be able to put out whenever i want, not just wiht a stupid bottle of n02 atached.

dimented24x7

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fattie, i see we both have the same taste in motors, less the mods, or coarse. (see sig)

Dyno Don

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Read my sig.

Vader

While not really "cheating", nitrous cannot produce consistent power (unless, of course, you are towing a trailer loaded with it). That's the cool thing about a 10-mile race. It weeds out the cars running "strap-ons" from those making power through ingenuity.

Turbos and superchargers are a different story, since boost can be consistent and more conrollable. There's a lot less "cheat" in a turbo than in a blue bottle.

Mark A Shields

I don't really see it as cheating, as long as before you race it is clear that it can or can't be used. Now for street racing N20 is illegal for street use, so it does seem like cheating , both people agree to use it.
Of course I know I would feel different if I got sprayed by a stock Civic with a 100 shot or something.

uidzer0_z28

I am not a huge fan of the bottle, if I was going to have a poweradder I would get a supercharger/turbo.

fattie92

like vader said, superchargers and turbos are differant. they are consistant power. but n20....sucks ***...unless if in gonna put it onto my 12 sec car to make me run 10's....but thats a differant story. im not putting it on a 15 sec car to make it run 14's. seriously...id kick the $hit out of my friends cars with out them spraying.....but now that they are "little red button" happy iv got to mod my car more to keep up with them.. thats ok, i desided to not tell any of my friends any mods i do just so i can sneak up on them and kick there ***. a tank of gas......17 bucks.....kickin a ricers *** when he is sprayin.....PRICELESS!

Jokerman

I would much rather know my engine makes its power all on its own (which is much much more reliable) than know i spent $500-800 on a little blue bottle to make me go fast for a few seconds. Besides if the little bugger in the civic likes to run with a 100shot of n20 then let him have at a blow engine, not my car.

chrimv

Whoever says that they can't are just purely stuck on 350s. My 305 has stomped on some 350 though not severly built but neither is mine. Mine's not even bored and is still pulling low to mid 14s, based on eating up new GT ponies...lmao

NTChrist

Wow, nitrous is cheating, huh?

Why? Because it allows more fuel and air to be ingested?

Are intake manifolds "cheating," too?



It's just another way to make horsepower. Take it, or leave it, but stop whining.

Gunny Highway

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I can understand using it for drag racing if you're trying to break into the 11s or 10s, but what gets on my nerves is when some punk with nothing but laughing gas says his car is fast because it has a 100 shot. Whatever :nono: Just because your car is "fast" for the 5 seconds you're shooting gas doesn't mean nothing in my book.

What's even more pathetic, is when you beat someone on the bottle with motor only....like those 4 banger civics that run high 15s on the bottle....HA!

Damn that movie for making it so much more popular Now I have more posers to deal with.

Desert86Roc

I used to run the bottle on my 305 just for fun. Got me a full 1.2 seconds at the track on a 100hp shot. But as previous posts have mentioned, unless you have a real expensive computer control setup, nitrous is just too unpredictable for the serious bracket racer.

My runs would vary by .2 seconds, and in a bracket race, that will lose you the race.

Although I have all the equipment still in the car (except the plate and solenoids), now that I have more torque/hp to play with, I am not running the bottle. I just might spray it some day to see if I can break into the 11s though

Riley's35089rs+

I insist on it at he dentist office......If I was running strip only car....hell yeah...just around town, I dont think so. Besides, I couldnt afford the cost of accelerated wear and tear..or is that just a urban legend?

jfox55

We have our mods and they have theirs. I don't really see it as cheating, but it does suck that we put so much time and effort in our cars to build them and get just the right combination. Then they go out and buy a stock car and in hours have the nos with no effort on their part at all. I havn't had any encounters with the nos ricers, or at least I didn't know they were runnin nos if so. I have ran across some kinda fast imports, but never been beat by them. Maybe I would feel different if I had. Let them have their bottle and their little fart pipes, who cares. When the cops catch them, just another way to get those punks tin can bombs off the road. Ha Ha Ha:rockon:

Synapsis

Whoever gets to the other end of the 1/4 mile first, wins. Nitrous is a cheap way of accomplishing that. If I had to choose between a 1300$ set of heads, or 600$ nitrous system for the same results, guess what I'd choose.

And no, it's not because I'm cheap. I have a couple grand in my VW engine.

AlexJH

Nitrous is illegal for street use in your state? That sucks.

But horsepower is horsepower, I don't think it matters how it's made.

Especially when it's a small block built specifically to run a 300+ shot of nitrous.

Polecat

IMHO, Nitrous is another power adder, no different than a new cam, or intake. But, the other mods can be constant, as where the NOS isn't.
But where can you add 300hp for so cheap though? For winning, I'd use it. And will.

have the import guys beggin for mercy. :hail:

83CAMAROMAN

im not a nitrous fan and i do believe that a 305 can be fast although im biased cause i own fast 305.....well at least all my buddies with 350's think so.......as they read my plate......lol......well most of the time.....lol.......

Fast3rdGen

bottles are for alcoholics and babies who still need their mommies. read the sig. all motor on 89 octane gas.

brodyscamaro

damn we have like opinions again. anybody see HP TV this last weekend. i wasnt paying exactly the closet attention but there was a guy in a heads of class where power adders are legal and he decided that NA was the only way to go. he said that if you cant make power on motor then dont try to make power. i couldnt DISAGREE more. he even said high 6s would probably win that weekend and that he was running high 7s. he can sit there and say, almost like he is bragging saying yeah i run no power adders in a power adder class. thats cool and all but you are a second away from being a contender in your class. you are always going to be a loser in your class. anways that long rant is what i would say to that guy. at the drag strip you go wot down the strip right? do you do it on the way to the track, porbably not. you are only using maximum HP for under 15 secs, so you only need the nitrous for that small amount of time. damn this thread picked up fast..

Gunny Highway

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It's definately a hot topic; or so it seems whenever the topic comes up.....almost as bad as the 305 vs 350 topic.

I'm pretty sure most of the people who disagree with the use of nitrous are not talking about the track use of it. When you're runnin' against the clock in a sanctioned event, I see no problem with the use of it (it's your motor after all, not mine). However, out on the street (Illegal in GA) I don't really see how it's justified. Besides; half the a-holes out here with it on there Honda's and the like, don't have the skill to control the vehicle if a Soccermom pulls out in front of them while they're juiced, and the other half don't have the necessary suspension and brake components to rein in the vehicle. Even if you don't think it's cheating, atleast you can agree with the fact that it's not safe on a public street.

brodyscamaro

not many things are safe on the street. i have street raced once thats all it took for me to realize how dangerous it is. sure i have been called pus*y before for turning down a street race, but it is not worth it to me or the other motorists. i cant see how doing wide open throttle and spraying juice would be safe on the street unless you were in an open area, then it still isnt has safe as at the track...

AJ_92RS

I don't see anything wrong with using it. I probably will, albeit not on the street.

I plan on putting a 450HP/450ft.lb. engine in my car. Using Desktop Dragstrip 2000, my car will run mid 12's with that engine. Adding a 150HP shot on spray will put me into high 10's. Actually the program says mid 10's, but I think high 10's- low 11's is more realistic.

Anyway, using spray is, IE, just like adding a supercharger or a turbo. It increases the cylider pressure just the same. It's just a different method of doing so. And with spray, you can turn it off and on. I guess, if anything, it's more like a turbo than it is a supercharger. The real advantage to spray is that it's ALWAYS a 150 (or whatever nozzle you use) boost, regardless of RPM. And OMG!!! does it build torque!!!!

I'm not saying it's better than a turbo or a blower. Each one has it's perks. It's all about which one you decide to use, and when you wanna use it.

I just think it'd be cool to drive to the strip in a car that will get 12-15MPG (in the city) and still run 11's at the strip, and doing it for ~$500-$600. But that's just my 2¢.

AJ

brodyscamaro

wanna burn me a copy of that... i completeyl agree with what you said

fattie92

when WE as in american car guys talk about nitrous, we talk about it in the since that its gonna make us FAST. i mean, look at all the guys on here that like it or use it, they run anywere from 13's to 10's...all the import guys i ride with run 15's and 14's, and spray it on the street all the time. heck my friend had me climb in his trunk to turn his bottle on to take on another import, and it wasnt even a race!! we were in freakin bumper to bumper traffic!!..if i had a fast car, id probly put it on, but i dont and i want to beat my friends NA. another reason im dont like nitrous is my parents.....yes my parents. see im 18, and they still pay the insurance payments. and as long as im under there roof,, no N2O for me. so im also trying to convince my self that i dont want it at all. hell i can have a N2o set up in m car for UNDER 100 bucks!!...........damn temptation.


this thread was intended to be inspiration for me to not want to go on the bottle. by having guys with fast 305's and 350's saying to just be patient and do more mods to my car and not be tempted to take the blue pill.......but it kinda turned into a bitching fest...but to each his own

poncho9789

Haven't you guys ever thought about building a hot motor to put n2o on?? I have seen guys spend thousands upon thousands of dollars trying to break 10s all motor. GUESS WHAT?? they never do. Untill they bolt on a n2o setup they never hit the times they expect to.

Only question is when you build a motor if it doesn't run as expected what are you going to do put a larger set of heads on? put in a larger cam? Why not make a whole new combo??? when do you finally give in and get a nirtous system? I know after the engine is running as far as you want to go with power adders.

I will tell you this my view on it is run what you brung and you damn shure have better brung enough.

mw66nova

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not a huge nitrous fan myself, especially if your trying to get just into the 11's, that's pathetic. now, if your trying to run high 7's with a 3000 pound car, then that is a different story. run motor alone and you'll get more respect anyways, that's what i am all about, respect....

Nate2

I think there are times when it is more than ok to use a nitrous setup and there are instances when it is just idiotic. Lets say you have a built 406 putting out 550 horses and you're running consistant 11.70s but want to go faster. Nitrous is a good idea there. On the opposite side of the coin is some punk with a bone stock Acura that sprays 75hp to get his car to run 15.50s, that is just worthless.

Intercepter

I fail to see why running nitrous is cheating. It can be put on any motor as long as you don’t get greedy. I have run N2O on several engines from a stock 305 to a heavily modded 383, and the only problem I encountered was 2 melted plugs. Be smart and tune the motor right and you’ll have no problems. I don’t use it every run, only when needed or wanted. And I don’t bother to advertise the fact that I have nitrous. If you want to cry foul because I may have used a shot of juice you can sit and cry with the losers and posers that are to scared.

Gunny, there is no difference between street or track racing. If you are stupid enough to race in a populated area or an unfamiliar area you get what you deserve, I just hope you don’t hurt anybody else.

NTChrist

Thank you Brody, good point.
Just to add to AJ_92's comparison of nitrous and a form of mechanical forced induction, nitrous can be turned on and off, as we all know. Limiting the extra wear, and horsepower, to only when you consider it necessary. Not every trip to red line in the car has to result in boost, making the car arguably safer for everyday use.

chrimv

The bottle is for people that don't want to take the time and build an engine. It's an easy way of getting more horse power for a short time. When it comes to the long haul nothing but a TRUE muscled engine will do. To be honest, yes it does offer quick horsepower but in the long run you spend more money into fixing the damage it costs than what the bottle is worth!

In my opinion, I would rather get more horse power the old fashion way and build it. Most people that run nitrous haven't done their homework and wonder why their engines get killed. N2O is good for strip, not the street!!

Intercepter

chrimv, your blanket statement about nitrous shows your ignorance. I have built many motors for customers the most recent for my car is a 383 543hp without the 2 stage nitrous system, and have only melted 2 plugs as stated above. As long as it is tuned right you will have no problems. I have a customer who has a 305 running a 150 shot with a stock bottom end just ARP fasteners (rod bolts and main studs) and has been running for 6 years and over 100,000 miles with not a problem. Do a little searching on a subject before you go opening your mouth.

brodyscamaro

86_iroc-z28-350

ok first off i am not here to get on anyones bad side, but i believe that nitrous is ok. I do admitt i have a edelbrock nitrous kit in my car and i just love it. Also for those of u saying well he dont have the skills to build a descent motor your wrong cuz i built the one that is in my car. i know all the little specs and when i told all my friends who r anti-n2o they told me i was stupid cuz i was just going to blow my motor. The motor i built was a 350 4 bolt main with big valve cast heads, and the internals are pretty close to stock and only spent a lil over 1,400 building it including the nitrous. I think the real reason so many ppl r anti-n20 is the fact ppl like me r beating guys who spend 4to5 grand on a engine. And for the ones who say well its going to hurt your engine. your wrong cuz i hooked up the 150 shot and have used it so many times mostly 10-15 sec at a time and atleast once a day. After about 15,000 miles my friend bought me a gasket set and said ill pull the head off to prove that n20 hurts your engine, i was like ok do it. He pulls the head of and guess what there wasnt a damn thing wrong with my motor. he wasted his money putting new gaskets in my motor. Then we come to the ricers with there 4 bangers, dont have anything against them except for the fact they have a bad taste in cars cuz i can kick there *** using all motor if i wanted to but just to make them feel even worse i just flip the switch and wave good bye.

Patrick007

Someone nailed it with respect.. at least where I come from anyway. The big thing is....

"ALL THROTTLE.... NO BOTTLE"

Intercepter

Patrick007, If you feel that way then stroking a motor must be cheating. With that view you and your RESPECT will be seeing alot of taillights in the future! It is only cheating cause your scared and dont know how to tune a motor.

fattie92

as the starter of this thread, i would like people to stop raggin on certian people. this is a opinion thread. not a bashing thread.

Thank you,
Ryan

camarochic

so is a turbo cheating to. :lala: :lala:

Intercepter

I am not bashing anyone. This website is here for technical information. If people are coming here for technical help the last thing they need is someone giving the wrong information. The whole nitrous issue has been beat to death. The facts are that nitrous is the same as adding a performance cam, intake, carb, or headers. All nitrous does is provide more air for better combustion. The same as an intake, cam, etc. etc. etc. If you install a carb, cam, and intake package and fail to tune the motor you will have problems. If it is running lean you will burn a piston the same as someone running a shot of nitrous and a weak ignition or a poor fuel system. You do no service by hopping on a computer and bashing something you don’t understand. If you want to logon and spout a bunch of crap because a friend of a friend of a friend had a bad experience don’t be surprised when someone corrects you. I have seen plenty of people come in and cry cause they need to rebuild there bottom end because they slapped on a nitrous system and used the biggest jets without even checking their spark plugs. Then they blame the N2O. If you are going to do anything to your car the best thing to do is do a little research first. If you don’t know how to tune your motor then take it to someone who does. It may cost 50 to 100 buck but that’s money well spent. There is no shame in admitting you are unsure about something. I have NEVER refused to let a person stand around and ask questions while I have tuned their motor and I am sure other shops feel the same. There might be an insurance issue but asking nicely will get you a long ways.

TheLG4Whore

I see it this way, If you use nitrous you should at least have your car buit for it and I meen more than just the engine but the whole car.
It doesn't take much mechanical know how to use nitruos and it's just a cheap way to catch up to the well built cars.
Why use nitrous when you could just have power on tap at all time if you use forced air induction.
I just find nitrous to be unrespectable and corny.
The only place for nitrous I belive should be in a ***** cause they need it most of the time if they wanna dance with the real cars and also drag racing is an exception if you have already built up the car and want to go a little faster or if that's what the competitors are using.

TheLG4Whore

in regard to 86_iroc-z28-350 Those who invested 4-5K on their engines are the only ones who could get around an autocrossing track with respectable times and consistently.
I'd love to see him drive around all day runnin on his bottle cause I don't think that'll happen so try and convince me that the bottle won't run out or slaughter your engine by the end of the day.
There is no way a set of cast aluminum pistons or stock pieces could possibly hold up to that much abuse after a while.
For all the Nitrous guys that are spittin out all these half truth statements I hope you keep your bottle heater on while your car is in your garage and it blows up and sends your garage door and car into pieces.
But all love to anyone who has a well built car whether it be with N2o, forced air induction,or without any power adders.
Sorry about the venting!

Intercepter

And your experience is? Didn’t think so.

86_iroc-z28-350

ok not once did i mention a autocross track and nor did i mention i could beat someone who spent 4-5 k on an autocross track, anyways why did someone even mention the damn track. yea sure n20 whouldnt be good for autocross, but how often do i go to a autocross track, hmm never, plus i bet i get better gas mileage and still have the power when i need it, non like a supercharger or a heavily modded 383 stroker

fattie92

i actualy like blowers. i plan on getting one eventualy when school is done with.....im not really ANTI n2o...this post my make me a hipocryte to something i said before but ohh well...like alot of the people on here, and like Intercepter siad, if its built for it and tuned right...............and it better be fast, then iv got no problem with it. i only have a problem with it when its on my friends nearly stock integra and he beats me everytime with a push of a button. then he goes and makes fun of me for being beat by a import. i have no problem getting beat by nice imports, but the ****ty ones that have a bottle strapped on them....they can kiss my ***....in due time, im sure ill strap a bottle on my car just to see waht it will run. iv got access to that stuff cheap, i can have my car hooked up for 100 bucks....well like 150 casue id need the bottle filled. my engine was kinda built for nitrous too...its got the "o rings" if anyone knows what that does...i dont feel like explaning it. maybe i should have changed the topic to "ANTI 15SECOND RICE BURNERS THAT USE NITROUS!"

TheLG4Whore

Ya true about the mileage,
The autocrossing was just an extreme and blown out of proportion example but I'm sure you know what I'm trying to say.
Hey an engine that makes alot or more than stock power is always enjoyable.
As for the nitrous deal I like it for the simple fact that you can have a stock motor with all the benifits that go with it and also have the power available when you want it.
as for Intercepter I don't know if that comment was directed towards me but I have more than enough knowledge regarding automotive application to go around and comment on issues like these, but I will admit I don't have as much experience with nitrous as I do on other things.
Hey man more power to ya if you got more power(hehe).

TheLG4Whore

This is my engine in progress if that's what you can call it.

3.1EyeCandy

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Another immortalized quote!!! lol. That's pretty funny