Grey Goose

Hello gentlemen would all the Orange County members please e-mail me. I am creating a data base that will help me revolutionize our definition of the common car club. It became painfully apparent to me yesterday that there is a dire need for an organization in the Orange County area. Therefore I will lead in this new clubs inception and call upon you to join me in its execution. Both the Los Angeles, San Bernardino and Riverside counties are thoroughly represented with the GS3 and SC3G clubs respectively. Now it is time for Orange County to be represented. Our new club will be open to all third gens from everywhere but in its inception I need natives first. I thank you in advance for your support and look forward to our inaugural cruise.

Andy89RS

GS3 represents Riverside county too.

BrandenCali

100% you know the deal...

Kevin91Z

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I apologize in advance for the rant below.

I just have to ask, WHY?? Why do we need a different club for every county? Why dont we just disband the SC3G and form our own little cliques. The Inland Empire guys can hang out with their own kind, and the San Diego guys with their group, and the LA guys with their friends, and the Central Coast guys can have their members, and nobody will ever meet up with each other because we're all too busy hanging out with the local people.

The point of a club such as the SoCal Thirdgenners is to promote unity, respect, and organization amongst its members and their cars, over all of Southern California. If we all have our own county clubs, whats the incentive for anyone to drive and meet members from other counties?

I just dont see the point of having splinter groups. It promotes separatism and disharmony, and thats not what we want. There's no reason why we cant have meets and cruises in each county, and I really think we should have more events distributed in each county. But I dont see the need for splinter groups and cliques in each county.

trans87

I think an OC club is excellent. Something more local for us OC people other than traveling 50 miles in either directions for club meetings. You have an inland empire club, a LA county club and now there's gonna be a OC county club sounds good to me. Nothings stopping us from still meeting together as clubs its just a more local club for us OC people.

BrandenCali

This is all new news to me.. But what I think we need, is effort. A club that is going to work for it's events. I was talking with Nigel, about fund raiser. A nice BBQ Here in Orange would do real good for us. For sure be able to raise some money for what ever the funds are for.. Was just my thought about some nicer things future to come.

Grey Goose

Kevin this is something I’ve wanted to do for quite some time now. You see, my vision of what a car club should be is a little different than what I have experienced in the last couple of years. The last thing I want to do is to promote separatism or evoke any disharmony to any of the clubs. What I bring to the table is simply a new way of thinking. Unity, respect, and organization all fall under the shield of integrity which is what the foundation of my organization will be based on. My club will be based around the vehicle not the owners. My members will utilize their vehicles. I have never been a fan of standing around in a parking lot and talking. Driving to meet members from other counties will be required and failure to do so will result in a member’s removal from the organization. I assure you my organization will make every effort to attend meetings in all counties. As I have mentioned before I have the utmost respect for you and your father. I can honestly say you two are gentlemen and truly share my passion for the third gen. You and your father stand to gain substantial recognition in your affiliation with this organization. Allow me to extend my personal invitation to the “F Body super wrench of Orange County” and the fastest Z28 in all three counties. I understand and can appreciate your concern in maintaining the integrity of the Southern California Clubs as we know them. In closing my intention is not to pollute Southern California with another f body club. My purpose is to discover f body owners that might have never found us. Educate and supply them with all of the resources we collectively have available. Again this club is not only for Orange County it’s for everyone.

gpierce

Ok, here comes the Temecula 3rd gen club. Current members: 1

MNTVSC3rdGENfBdyCRC

That't the Monday Night Temecula Valley Southern California Third generation f-body Club of Rancho California.

It's open to all F-bodies anywhere in the US. We will have our meetings in Montreal Quebec, and it will only be on Wednesdays.

You guys go ahead and have your local clubs. I've got mine now and you can't come.

GP

Grey Goose

Ah yes I can appreciate your commentary Mr. Pierce you have opened my eyes to a very important point, Idiots. I don’t have the time or the patience to deal with individuals of your caliber. Kindly refrain from any further commentary of a negative nature. I you feel the need to express your views beyond what you have already stated. Simply contact me @ 714-713-0768 and I will be more than happy to field any questions or comments you might have. Please don’t start a flame war in here have a little class. If you would like to continue making a complete *** of yourself, contact me so I may enjoy the experience with you. Settle down clown

gpierce

No flame intended. It is a joke.

There are too many clubs already. We don't need another one.

Sorry you can't take the joke. Feel free to call me and tell me what an *** I am. I can take it. 858-537-3288

GP

WS6 Berlinetta

Red,

Sounds cool just don't let your faction degenerate into what the SDFB has become. We're less of a club and more of a loose band of separate factions or cliques. Our meetings even though fun and I'm one of the louder and rowdier members, compared to the SC3G meeting I attended last sat we look more like a bunch of sailors on shore leave than a car club. We usually have a few new people show up to meeting and we scare away 90% of them. And when they never come back no one cares because we are having fun, It's not really about the cars anymore it's about... I don't know what it's about anymore.

The SDFB is fun I just expected more out of the club, it's more for rowdy people who happen to drive F bodies than an actual F body enthusiast club.

R

SDC

Maybe a better idea is to do like the really big car clubs and have "local chapters"?

So you could have SC3G as a whole, but have an Orange County chapter, a San Diego chapter, etc. That way the locals still have a good way to organize their own local events (that everyone could show up to of course), and then there would still be the main valencia meeting where everyone gets together???

Just throwing ideas out, after all I tried to do a SD3G club, but due to issues with lack of people/participation, it went away. But maybe a local branch of a main club is a better idea?

-Sean Casey
86 Olds 88
92 Formula-350
01 Firebird
02 Silverado

Guest

Been done. Not a wise idea, IMO simply because of the lack of members in the club. Take all Pontiacs, throw them in a 'Southern California chapter', and then have factions of San Diego, LA, and the OC guys stuck in the middle on their own, and you end up with one only surviving. Thats with a possible member base of over 70 years worth of cars covering every model Pontiac ever made. They made thirdgen Firebirds for how many years?

You can do whatever you want, I'm not here to stop you. Just dont complain when you only have 3-5 people show up to the meetings and gatherings.

BrandenCali

How all of you are responding.. The Joking was a liltle out of line, but as we Know we can't see your expressions.. So I truely feel on the part of how clubs just dwindle down to a few members over time. As GS3 was looking like it was going to grow it dwindled down. Just not enuff effort and fellows getting along. George went 4th gen. Good choice nuetral, Howie is In N.Y, Jon is in Marines right now..And Thats just people that left for a short term. I don't know what this was all about either clubs and all I just joined my 1st club back what 2 years ago SC3GFB and I was looking to just show the car and Meet people go places, rather nothing happends with clubs etc, I still have my f-body, and plan to enjoy it every where I go, I Believe Mike can lead into a nice Orange County club.. We are a big county.. And we all can still be apart of the F-body. So lets be ready to Have a OC3

SDC

madmax, I know what you're saying, I'm just trowing idea out.

I agree with you on how you only get 5 people showing up, I tried running my own club and thats all it was. I also found out the hardway that you just can't generate interest from other people to get them to join. But I don't regret trying.

I almost was dumb enough to suggest a club open to all cars, but then I thought... No way would that work... People can get pretty brand loyal...

And for the topic of clubs... One of these days I'll show up for a SC3G meeting... lol one of these days!

injdinjn

I watched a 70+ member Pontiac club Southern Calif Chapter DIE. Why? Because it split into small fractions. This not aimed at anyone here, this is what happened to the SCC/POCI - the valley people didn't want to drive south, the San Diego people didn't want to always drive north - the club split and died.
I would prefer that those so energetic spend their time and energy organizing club events - nothing fancy or expensive, open to any of the F body groups - if they want to come - the more the marrier and the bigger the group discount - if they don't want to come - that is their decision.
Lets stay on one board - one club and move our activities around. That would give us a bigger turnout and we would become aware of neat places in areas we don't live in (like join the Navy and see the world) well, have a club covering a large area and see southern calif.
my $0.02

Guest

Mike, sent you an email.

Sean, ideas are great. Thats what we're here for, ideas. Some are good, some are bad. ALL should be presented. At least thats how I feel.

MRZ28HO

Branden, I did not go "4th gen". I am and always will be a Camaro enthusiasts, unlike some people that need to **** on other gens. The only reason you hear about my 4th gen on GS3/here is because I don't feel like posting about my weekly goings-on about my Z28 (less some monthly update, just for Kevin to know I haven't abondoned that project ). I save that for an event or gathering, gives me something to talk about with active members. When I say active I mean people who don't just post on multiple message boards and consider themselves members because they are on the roster, but rarely attend a meeting/gathering.

Mike P., if you feel you need to do this ... go ahead. Personally, I don't think it will become a wonderous union of ALL 3rd gens around So-Cal. (JMHOT) Take a look at when SC3GFB (now SC3G) was around and the (then) "new" GS3 club was formed. At first both clubs clashed, now they stay "away" from each other. The members post on both boards because of mutual friends, but the clubs have not and will not meet for an event. I hope I am wrong, and I am trying for this not to happen. I post alot of events on both boards, but I have yet to see both clubs at the same event. I only see the same die-hard, "out-going" people out at events. You have some good ideas for getting members to show, though. I wish you luck bud.

BrandenCali

That's right.. you are not giving up on 3rd gen..But your interest has been on them both.
myself I am Nuetral with every one.. I Will do my best to meet with all the clubs I am present with, just need to get the car running better. You know I would not like to add any more tow bills on top of the list , Iguess that's just what happends. tranny's go out Radiators go and sensors go out.. Just the name of the game I guess. Called my Luck.

Pony_killer1

I think that the OC club is a great idea, for one thing...it's a fresh start. I don't know about you guys, but I like having regular events and such. This gives us the opportunity to do things different. If it doesn't work, then it doesn't work. But if we never give it the chance then we'll never know how it will do. I personally think that Mike is probably the best guy to lead this new club and his genuine passion for the 3rd gen will definately drive this new club to be successful. Just my opinion.

Kevin91Z

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Mike, you know I have nothing against you, and I respect you and think very highly of you, but I just dont think this is such a great idea. Why do we need a SC3G or a GS3 if we've got a third club that caters to all thirdgens? I just think the market is getting saturated with thirdgen clubs.
Of course I'll participate and help you in any way I can.
If you want more meetings and events in Orange County, just plan them and people will show up. Thats all it takes.
I dont want to see our club split up and die like so many others before us. If you have so many clubs that cater to only one area, whats the incentive for people to make the drive to other areas? As I said above, Orange County people will go to only OC events, the SF Valley people will go to only SFV events, the SGV people to their events, the IE people to their events, the SD people to their events, etc, etc...

BretD 88GTA

Mike,
SC3G, GS3, and so on...ARE based on the vehicles. And last time I checked the various members do utilize their vehicles. Many members hit Fontana and Carlsbad regularly. There's an auto-cross at Norton AFB this Saturday and some SC3G members will be there. I'm not quite clear on the point you're trying to make.

Also, keep in mind that some members in ALL of the clubs don't have the $$$ to race their cars consistently. They have to rely on them as daily drivers and pounding the crap out of them every weekend (i.e. - breaking parts) isn't an option. Just something to consider, unless of course your goal is to form a group made up only of those who have the resources to be die-hard racers.

If you'd like to plan auto-cross events, drag race events, cruises, dyno sessions - by all means, please do so! That is highly encouraged. I'm not sure why you feel the need to start another club to stage events. I'm not saying you shouldn't, I'm just a litte unclear of your motivation.

Just my $.02

WS6 Berlinetta

It's kind of a weird View point but I see most of the Socal clubs as factions of the SCFB. The SCFB is the Northern Based Main Fbody Organizaton. The SC3GFB now SC3G is the northern Based 3rd gen faction, The SDFB is more of a Southern Based renegade faction composed of some Southern SCFB members and anti SCFB members currently presided over by anti-SCFB members, Sean's SD 3rd gen club was a break away from the SDFB which I would like to see reorganized and revived. I'm not sure of the GS3 group since I haven't participated in that club yet. The OC 3rd gen club seems to be a faction of the SC3G.

I've also heard of a Ventura F body club which doesn't seem to be based on or affiliated with any of the SCFB spawned clubs, and the San Diego Camaro Club which seems to be an eliteist group that doesn't get along with the SDFB very well except for the few shared members but since I haven't had much interaction with them I can't make a fair judgement of that club.

Just some thoughts floating through my head that prob doesn't make much sense but, I felt like shareing =)

R

BretD 88GTA

Randy,
I have an idea of where you're coming from. If you really want to get to the heart of it, it ALL started with F-Body.org.

Here's my feeling. It seems many of the clubs were started because someone didn't get along with someone else. I can site a number of examples.

So, rather than working to help develop a large cohesive club, a disgruntled person walks off and says "I'm starting my own club".

As the new club builds, again two people don't get along, and yet another club gets started. At this rate we'll have 50 clubs, made up of 5 people each, instead of 2 or 3 large clubs capable of putting together some serious events.

The goal of the SC3G is to have a club where ALL members have input and are encouraged to plan events. What tends to happen though, is that everbody wants to have an event so long as it's in their backyard and someone else plans it.

There's no way to please everyone all the time. But if you'd like to see an event in Orange County, San Bernadino, Ventura, San Diego , etc... then please take steps to help organize one.

lonsal

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My turn. Truly I don't see the need to start up yet another "Club". If you want more events planned for OC locales, then by all means plan one. IMO, starting a new "Club" brings with it all the politics and baggage that we don't need. I'm all for more events and gatherings being planned for the SGV & OC and will actively participate. I just don't have the "need" to add another t-shirt or hat to my collection. But if you feel the need to cater to the few that are "down for that" when a gathering is being planned, (so long as it isn't more than 10 miles from my house), then by all means do so. I guess the next "Club" we need is the SGV3GFB? Lon

Grey Goose

Gentlemen I would like to thank you for your input it is greatly appreciated. However I would like to point out some inconsistencies in your statements. But before I do that I would like to thank the individuals who so boldly commented on my actions I’ve never met at any clubs meeting in any county. Rest well knowing it is your comments that will offer me insight and guidance. And incredibly enough discouraged my attempts based on their own failed entities. Due to their lack of participation, people and my personal favorite no ability to control rogue members. IMO comment on what is going to affect you. Now I’m going to do my best to keep this as mellow as possible. I knew I was going to catch hell for doing this and I am prepared to whether the storm. I applaud your ability to unite and make your feeling know as a group. We need more of that and quite frankly is a breath of fresh air. As for incentives to travel and meet other members who is doing that now? Very few people I have met from Valencia have ever come down here for anything. And the ones that do are the same ones over and over where is the unity in that? As far as existing clubs not getting along that’s not all entirely true. They don’t purposely stay way from each other neither one makes an effort to congregate. That is a direct result of leadership. Now based on that I ask you what is the incentive for members from different counties to meet? Now on to politics and baggage I would have discussed it with you however I haven’t seen you at any get together for the last couple of months. And trust me this t-shirt you will want. Gentlemen you are defending your integrity and I am defending mine. Just think if this fails I will look like a total *** seeing as I didn’t take your advice. Thanks again for all the input it is greatly appreciated.

lonsal

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If the comment was meant for me, then you have me mystified. Since I haven't missed a Meeting of either GS3 or SC3G (or it's predecessor) in the last 3 years plus that I can recall. Meetings are where the direction of the Club and future events is discussed. I guess you could have brought this up at the SC3G Meeting (had you attended). As I recall there were Members from as far away as SD & Temecula. I got stuck for 20 minutes parked, engine off a the 210 transition to the 605 for an investigation of a fatality. If you mean I haven't shown up to drag race my car in the last several months, that is true for several reasons. It has been up on jack stands for the past 6 weeks or so (and still is), waiting for me to finish another TDS product. I wish you success with the efforts on organizing your club. We just differ in our opinions as to the need for yet another "club". As I said before I'm all for more events and gatherings that are planned for the SGV or OC and will attend. Of course this depends on the type of event that is planned. I am in a situation that I can't afford to burn the tires off my car for another 15 second pass down the strip. Since I have no improvements to the car to make it any faster, it seems pointless. But I am certainly up for a canyon cruise, another SOLO II event or cruise up or down the coast ending with a BBQ and meeting new Members. I recall meeting several OC SC3GFB Members down at the Fud's in Lake Forest on a Tuesday night. Also enjoyed the canyon cruise that Sean Casey hosted a few years back down in SD. I even enjoyed the Car Show down in SD at Qualcom Stadium were I met Chevy Mike for the first time. As I recall I was one of the only, if not THE only Member from our area to attend. I think history will show I do attend gatherings and Meetings on more than a frequent basis. That will continue. Lon

WS6 Berlinetta

I remember before the SDFB broke away the sd guys used to go to cruisers and fuds. I wonder if I can get people to start traveling again? does fudds still happen?

R

BretD 88GTA

You are correct. Why exactly, I'm not sure. People do have other obligations and can't always make every event. All I can suggest is start planning events in the OC area and those that can show up, will. Some events will get a large turnout, some won't.

Quote:

As far as existing clubs not getting along that’s not all entirely true. They don’t purposely stay way from each other neither one makes an effort to congregate. That is a direct result of leadership.

Again, to a certain degree, you are right Mike. Keep in mind though that the GS3 was started as a result of someone not getting along with the SC3GFB leadership. So, I think there's is some type of unspoken under-current of "we shouldn't mix". Personally, I think it's silly and can easily be overcome by doing just what you said - making an effort to plan more inter-club events and encouragement from all leadership to just go out and have fun. This is supposed to be a hobby after all.

I think you're on the right track Mike in wanting to see more participation among all members of all the clubs. Again though, I don't think starting yet another club is the means to that goal.

The SC3G doesn't have a single "leader". We have an elected leadership team consisting of myself, Lon S., Kevin L., George L., and Chris F. Our purpose is simply to help keep a sense of order within the club. My suggestion to you Mike, is that if you're unhappy with what is (or isn't) being done, then please step up and offer suggestions, events, and so on. Your participation is welcomed and encouraged.

injdinjn

Why is it that it's " I can do it better on my own, but I cannot help improve the existing organization". Sounds like Tom Daschel talking about Pres. Bush.
Obviously Mike feels that he needs to do his own thing, but I have never figured out why people with that enthusium cannot benifit an existing organization.
I have belonged to numerous clubs, and there is a core group of about 5% to 10% of the total members activily contributing to the club, the rest just go when the bug hits them.
It takes time and $$$$$$$$$ to run a club and with , see Hemmings car club listing, over 1000 clubs in Calif alone how big can another club be.
my $0.05

83TransAmGirl

I dont believe there are any members in Valencia (I am trying to recruit some) So I am the closest to Valencia (30min across town) and yes, I feel bad for not participating in other meetings except the bi-monthly club meetings, but my car is not exactly in any condition to do any type of racing (just makes me depressed and want to sell it) and not to mention I am 17 with no job which ='s no$$ and with needing 4 new tires, a motor very soon, interior re-done, and spark plug wires with $109 in the bank and College starting soon not to mention the $1300 for my tranny and probably another $1300 for the trucks tranny I owe my dad...I am afraid everytime I start my car up and drive it that someting will break that I cant afford and I will be royally screwed with no transportation left except the city bus...

So I have always felt very bad that I dont participate with the club but I just cant afford to screw up anything right now! And I offerd to get the club to show at Irwindale Speedway's show and shine area but it was quickly shot down by Tom...so I am trying to be as active as possible and support my club as much as possible...Just cause I dont show doesnt mean I dont support them

Kevin91Z

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You know, Tom has nothing to do with this club, so you can organize any kind of meet you want. You should never be in fear of expression your opinion. If someone doesnt like your meet idea, well, forget them. This club is run by the members, not by a central figure, and every member has an equal voice in how the club is run. We only have a 5-member board of directors just in case we need some kind of leadership.
By showing up at the club meetings and participating online in this message board, you've shown your committment to this club. Thats more than some people have done... Dont worry about it, we all understand the situation.

83TransAmGirl

I wasnt trying to imply anything bad about Tom... I really wanted to do it but Tom said he got the feeling the car club deal was for perfect show quality cars which unfortunatly we dont have too many and we never got much of a response cause something else was going on that weekend so the idea was out/dropped...

Sorry Tom! "shot down" means it was droped as a disscussion and you being the centeral figure of the club-I should of used "the club" instead of "Tom" Sorry for the missunderstanding Tom!! :lala:

Jason92Z

It would be wrong if I didnt reply to this topic seeing as I have put MUCH MUCH MUCH time, effort and money into GS3. I feel that no matter what happens, there will NEVER be a club that caters to everyone. In all honesty, I cant help but be a little upset, no, angry at the idea of another so.cal 3rd gen club. Not at the fact that some people WANT a new club, but that for the last year, I have spent 100s of hours pounding the pavement going door to door with who knows how many custom car shops, lube and tunes, tires shops, wheel centers, dealerships, etc. looking for sponsorship so we dont have to do "dues" in the future and getting the door slammed in my face, laughed at, and just told "NO thanks, not interested." I cant even describe how much work i have done for GS3 that people dont see or hear because I want to have the best club there is. But I feel like there is no appreciation. For example. I can recall at least 3 different occasions that I have asked for everyone to ship in only $5 for our new domain name that Randy M generously purchased for us. We should have been .www.gs3g.com for MONTHS now, but since no one ever responds, it never gets done. Someone mentioned a club that has more meetings/gatherings, yet, GS3 has had at minimum 1 meeting a month for a year now. Mike mentions not being a stand around a BS person, which is perfectly ok, but havent we hade 4 cruises so far this spring/summer? (Sunset blvd/PCH/PCH again/cruise to carlsbad/Glendora) SO we have actually had 5 non-standing around events. Yet it isnt enough? And also, someone mentioned us meeting in the IE? Well... lets see... how many meetings have we had in the IE this year? 1!!!! at Crest Chevy (which wasnt easy to get us with btw) we have only met at Sonics, Glendora, Carlsbad, etc. Ill go ahead and stop there before this turns into a flame, but I am generally dissapointed with the brotherhood i thought was present in the 3rd gen world. Im actually on the verge of saying screw it all. Im one person who can barely please myself let alone 20 others.

BrandenCali

On how I feel and under stand your concept and effort. Now Effort can't only be by you Jason. You Know the deal, What you have done, ask how many members respect that. Even The Best Sponsor with Crest For us. I just hope this is not breaking us apart b/c of the Competion there is, and all the info way may here. I would say for a fact if this does not lead into any harm to any one about this New Orange County Southern Cal Club based on the F-body That believe In Mike on what he said that We would like to gather more members to the Complete Southern Cal F-body means they have there own choice to Join and gather and go to all the events and gather all the Knowledge there is that All these people have in this area. Well, no matter what happens I will do my best to attend all the Southern Cal F-body meetings and events I can attend.

Grey Goose

This will be my last post on this subject. Jason, I will put this as simply as humanly possible. We all know who planned those events. As far as anyone becoming upset at this point, I think it should be me. I have done my best to discuss this in a mature, civil, and humane fashion and all I get is a bunch of bickering old women (you know who you are). Two gentlemen have contacted me directly regarding this matter and they have both made every effort to take time and discuss this topic with me face to face like men. My hat is off these gentlemen and I have made a commitment to meet with them and take their recommendations under serious advisement. This is my commitment to each and every one of you. I will remain in the clubs I where I am a member, attend any and all meetings/events whenever humanly possible, and continue to make suggestions and coordinate events for any club I might be able to lend a helping hand to. Some of you are attempting to force a little animosity between the clubs and myself. No one will admit to it, but you are. Understand this, I’m ok with it I may not like it but I’m ok with it. I am one of the most passive and understanding individuals you will ever meet.

These comments are intended for said individuals and all alike. Again I would like to thank each and every one of you for you suggestions, comments, and statements. No mater how irrelevant or relevant they might have been. Thanks again guys!

1BADDAM

gpierce,

Up the members to TWO, but meet on Fridays at Staduim Pizza

AFrikinGoodTime

May I give you gentlemen some advice: Get a big breasted woman on a trampoline and your turnout will be amazing for any club event!

gpierce

1BADDAM, come to Stator brothers on Jefferson parking lot tomorrow. There's a car show and I'll have my 99 SS in it. Black, 315/35's on the back, proboably the only domestic car there Say hi if you like

GP

WS6 Berlinetta

You 2 starting a temecula 3rd gen club?


R

gpierce

Awe, cmon Randy I already belong to enough clubs. I don't need my own

BUT, if some of the peeps in Temecula want to hang out together who am I to argue

PS, come to the car show if you're not doing anything. It's not supposed to have any classes, so all cars all vintages are coming. It should be halfway decent.

15 North,
Exit Ranch California Rd
Left over freeway
Right on Jefferson
Stator Brothers shopping center on the left just past Overland Dr.

Reverse directions for you Northerners

GP

WS6 Berlinetta

I might not get that week off in between contracts so this weekend I'll begin stripping the borg down to get a head start on getting ready for Composite Z which will be arriving next weekend.

R

MRZ28HO

Jason L., I hope you have a new found respect for Tom K. and his efforts when SC3GFB was around. That is the kinda stuff he did to promote the club, which I think he felt those efforts went un-appreciated. Which sometimes they do/did.

Mike P., I know you are not responding anymore to this thread (but you like to watch ). I'd like to add ... don't set your hopes up to high, these clubs take a while to get establish from what I've seen. I still think the 3rd gen harmony won't materialize (someone help prove me wrong!). I would like to maintain any existing 3rd gen clubs going, I wouldn't want anyone to quit (Jason and GS3). Yes, I'd like to see the SD3GFB come back up and your club (OC3GFB) will also get my support.

One good way to get everyone (clubs) together is doing the West Coast 3rd Genneration F-body Gathering again. Even if it is primarily for the California 3rd genners.

1BADDAM

gpierce,

Can't make it, unless it still happening till around 6:30, as I'll
be in Rancho Cucamonga til 5:00