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Old 03-02-2011, 11:53 AM
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Bad runs but new best for adams

Went last night for the last session, ran a 46.9 but my runs felt really bad. I had a coolant leak crop up and my header burned a wire harness and ruined my last run. There were a couple other cars in the 46 range and one evo ran a couple 45s.

Aside from mech issues, the race seat was really screwing with my driving. I am just not used to being held so tight in the seat. It is also too low making it hard to see.

The car is feeling too loose so I might lower the phb some more and see what happens. Hope to see some thirdgens out next time.
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Pablo, do you think your turn in will be compromised with the PHB lower?(Is the steering effort getting heavy) Maybe just try and narrow your rear axle swaybar mounts first and see what happens. Could also combine that with upping the rear rebound a click to help keep the turn in loose but tighten it coming off.

Reason why I ask is usually if being belted in tight hurts driving comfort its becasue you are using more effort turning the wheel then one realizes. A phb move down will only hurt this more.
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That's an interesting angle, now that you mention it, the power steering pump puked out most of its fluid and steering got pretty heavy.

Couple this with the fact that in this seat, its all arms (cant throw my body weight into turning the wheel). I also believe I am a touch too far away from the wheel when I am all strapped in.
So I can see what you are saying and I do think that is an issue.

I wonder if fixing these two problems will correct this and still allow me to lower the rear phb to the last hole. I have it in the hole above the last hole right now.
The other option is putting the 36mm sway bar on there, I have a 34 on it.

Another factor is that I was running with a 3/4 full gas tank. I imagine if I ran with less fuel I would lose some of the oversteer. What do you think?


I was honestly driving like total crap for a number of reasons. Considering how bad I was, I think the car has a 45 second lap in it. Just need to get the final tweaks right.

BTW talking to a regular there, he said the fastest lap he'd ever seen there was a 43.xx which is just insane. I'd bet a top level C prepared car could probably run down there though
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I wonder if fixing these two problems will correct this and still allow me to lower the rear phb to the last hole. I have it in the hole above the last hole right now.
The other option is putting the 36mm sway bar on there, I have a 34 on it.

Another factor is that I was running with a 3/4 full gas tank. I imagine if I ran with less fuel I would lose some of the oversteer. What do you think?


With the tires you are running I would definately be running the 36mm front bar to reduce roll. You have alot of grip- grip will equal roll on a third gen. Lowering the panhard is not going to help you off the corner. its more of an entrance to steady state adjustment. Coming off the corner is more swaybar, shocks, springs, and carrier.
I would be more inclined to reduce leverage on roll by raising the front rc with extended ball joints rather than trying to lower the rear rc down.

On the gas note: More fuel is tight. Cars will get loose as the fuel burns off because there is less weight on the rear springs leveraging them which will lift the inside rear easier.

Edit: Next question that comes to mind- Are you sure you are not too tight right now and inducing snap oversteer? If your steering is that heavy you could be putting so much wheel into it that the *** end snaps around.

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With the tires you are running I would definately be running the 36mm front bar to reduce roll. You have alot of grip- grip will equal roll on a third gen. Lowering the panhard is not going to help you off the corner. its more of an entrance to steady state adjustment. Coming off the corner is more swaybar, shocks, springs, and carrier.
I would be more inclined to reduce leverage on roll by raising the front rc with extended ball joints rather than trying to lower the rear rc down.

On the gas note: More fuel is tight. Cars will get loose as the fuel burns off because there is less weight on the rear springs leveraging them which will lift the inside rear easier.

Edit: Next question that comes to mind- Are you sure you are not too tight right now and inducing snap oversteer? If your steering is that heavy you could be putting so much wheel into it that the *** end snaps around.

The car is definitely on the loose side. The only time I ever get any understeer is on the tight hairpin when I am on the throttle. I'm gonna try and get a 36mm sway bar on there and see what happens
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