bac67

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Yea im not right now but with me moving i need to have my car able to roll(at least) so at any time i may be changin my mind to the BMR instead of Spohn. Everyone needs to email Spohn telling them to get their *** moving on building them!

jtmiller92

iTrader: (42)

I will just wait it out. I ordered mine on November 1st if that says anything. Its a constant delay but i do feel they will be shipped atleast sometime in April. I dont want to jump ship just to have to wait on another companies delays which could possibly put me farther behind. Spohn makes a good product, just getting slow where he is no longer thirdgen/camaro dedicated.

eric1984z28

I ordered mine in november also. I called at the end of last week and cancelled my order. I still plan to get the spohn but i will order other parts in the mean time.

91Bird305

Yeah, I just called Spohn because I am in a sh!tty situation myself. I ordered a PaRacing k member for my thirdgen and it turned out hanging lower than the freaking oil pan!! So I have to either have them make me a better one that doesn't hang so low (There is plenty of room above it) or send it back and get a Spohn one. I just called Spohn and they said that they have no idea when they will be ready to sell theirs. grrrrrr. I am thinking the stocker is going to have to go in for now while I play the "Waiting game".

bac67

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And i think thats the exact reason Bruce made the decesion to fill as many orders as he could with the other k-member. And because i know Spohn to be a fantastic product and i know it will fit as promised is why ive kept with them(for now). and JT i hope your right about it being shipped sometime this month because im in a situation where i might need one by the end of the month.

91Bird305

When I called they weren't currently taking any orders.

Kandied91z

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can't believe so many people are having problems with the pa style units. I also can't believe that the spohn unit isn't out yet. with such a demand it's just crazy not to have it done by now. what's it been 4-5 years now?

wdigitog

guys! what about the aje units...they have 'em in stock and a friend ordered one and it weht right in....no probs.....what's this waiting for spohn's that don't even exist! with all this waiting for an unseen, un-proven unit..is it really worth it? i'd ask for a refund! that'll kick their butts in gear!

bac67

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um Spohn makes one of the highest quality parts for cars, there products are track and street proven. so for 1: I trust them 2: There quality

EvilCartman

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I'm not totally satisfied with my purchase. Big and bulky crossmember compared to his older design. Torque arm mount to the rear end needed to be put in a press. I had to bend the mounting pads out enough to hammer it onto the rear. Forget how much they were angled in but it wasn't a matter of just taking off the powder coating. Then there's a nice dent in my floor pan from said mounting pad hitting it. Sure everything has worked and so far stayed together but it could have been designed a bit better. Before I put my new exhaust on, that crossmember was the lowest part of my car. Honestly, I doubt I'll be buying any big purchases from him again.

Mkos1980

iTrader: (8)

Hey!! You forgot that you have to cut the lower mounting tabs off a duel fan setup to mount their wonderbar. Its not a direct bolt on. They must have fab'ed it up with a single fan instead.

bac67

iTrader: (2)

Ok now that we have the choice of a BMR k-member i want to hear the pros and cons. here is what i got so far:

CONS:
1. have to use thier new A-arms(cant use the stock ones)
2. Have to purchase their upper strut mounts(somthing on thier website said that)

PROS:
1. Would ship in a week

I want to hear what everyone thinks about the BMR piece. how it fits? what modification needs to be done? what all do you have to buy?

Kandied91z

iTrader: (7)

every company has their faults, spohn is definately no exception but at least it's an option. before this gets out of hand being that spohn is a moderator why doesn't he just tell us what's going on? no word truer then that straight from the horses mouth.

4+ years of promises... enough already.

EvilCartman

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Kinda doubt he'd show up in here. I have seen him post in the vender review forum though.

91Bird305

Call him and he will tell you. No idea when he will start selling them. To busy to put them up for sale right now. Check the website to see when they will be available. He gave me no date or month when I talked to him because he didn't know for sure. And he was not taking any orders.

BlueBeast

hey everyone i have the bmr k member and a arms i had no problems with them or there install. it was acutally one of the easier swaps i have done on the car. i have the spohn rear suspension and love that to but i was tired of waiting for the k member. hope that helps some of you out.

bac67

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But you cant use stock A-arms correct?

BlueBeast

i think that is correct, that you can not use the stock a arms but call them and check. i got there a arms with my k member also.

bac67

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yea ill shoot them an email, i think im going to go ahead and get the adapter motor mounts for now and just not run AC until the Spohn k-member gets completed.

david auster

iTrader: (10)

Do you run the stock suspension up front or coil overs? If your stock with the spring pockets, I assume you had to get that $90 option for the upper spring perch? Is that built into the K member? Also what about his motor mounts, does he supply everything you need to bolt that stuff up?

I'm looking very strongly at the BMR one right now as I really want to drive the car this summer. It actually looks like a very nice and well designed piece. Lucky for me my friend is willing to purchase my Spohn A Arms so I can buy the BMR ones that you have to use.

bac67

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I need my car done like you and thats why ill sacrifice AC until i get the Spohn k-member i want. Im going for the Spohn adapter motor mounts. and i believe you have to get that 90$ option when using the stock setup but im unsure also.

wdigitog

hey beast! right on, man! BMR! i know spohn's a moderator and we love his stuff and we're loyal and all, but come on!...this waiting for a k member is bordering on hysterical! and to the guys wondering if BMR's can work with stock a-arms...why go to all the trouble with the tubular k member and still use that stamped stock piece? aje"s are fine too...they mainly do stuff for 'stang's, but they definately have the experience makin' stuff that fits! BTW, has ANYONE gotten their spohn k member in yet? need pictures of any installs, please!

Blkdth87

bac67....thats exactly what i did, couldn't wait any longer for the hawks k member, and picked up the engine adapter plates, i ordered them from hawks, n they came from spohn.....finnally got mine in, had to pull the a/c compressor and bracket off, and looks like i'm gonna have to trim the triangle bracket on the drivers side because it's really close to the alternator, but otherwise, not bad....

now for the springs....i got a 4-5inch gap between the tire and fender....ugh...

jtmiller92

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Well, I finally cancelled my order for the Spohn K-member. I'm just going to put a stock one back in it. Hopefully wont have any header clearance problems with it. Tired of waiting on Spohn to get in gear.........jt

3.8TransAM

I'd wait for the simple fact that I know 100% the PA Racing stuff is junk.

When people post about things breaking when it could be a bad failure they no longer get any business from me.(control arms)

Also, my friend who has the AJE crossmember, is currently yanking the engine out cause the control arm boxes are pulling away from the rest of the cross member. If that was mine I would drive there and beat them with it after I threw it thru the front window.

I've never had an issue with Spohn so I am going on the assumption that his piece might be heavier or more overbuilt, but it wont fall apart on you or split at the welds.

later
Jeremy

wdigitog

one thing we have to consider: tubular k members and a arms are sort of race-only items...to put them on a street car and expect them to be as durable as the stock unit is, i think, wishful thinking. potholes, expansion joints, even manhole covers all put strain on the welds and the tubes themselves....i've seen tubular frames on mountain bikes shatter going on a downhill run and they only have a few hundred pounds on them,,,,,not 3,000 pounds! i have tubular a arms on and i watch the road like a hawk! slowing down for potholes and swerving to avoid manhole covers as much as possible!

Dr G

So has anyone actually got their Spohn Kmember yet? Or is it still 'delayed'?

92MaroRS

And when the front of the car comes slaming down to the ground after launching off the line in a drag car isn't as abusive as driving on the street?

EvilCartman

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Driving on the street would be harder on the k-member because different forces are applied to it. Much more side loading in street driving and constant rough roads. Drag racing has very little side loading in comparison and a smooth "road" to drive on.

92MaroRS

This part is also used on road race cars, im sure those cars put much more side load on it than my car ever will on the street.

EvilCartman

iTrader: (1)

The road race version also has more stuff done to it if I remember right.

92MaroRS

I've never seen a different K-member for Road Racing or Drag Racing, everything i've seen is just a Tubular K-member, usually With our without spring pockets.

wdigitog

if i remembered correctly, aje offers both a normal k-member and a road or Hd k-member. the heavy duty ones have more gusseting welded on (thus heavier ).

Deimos140

More weight and more braces. There are different ones. So um yeah.
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Explain please?

92MaroRS

Link(s)?

Deimos140

It wasn't on the net that I found it. It was a magazine. I have subscritptions in Mustangs and Fast Ford, Car Craft, CHP, Popular Hot rodding and Hotrod. Its in one of those obviously its not in M&FF. I have a PA member and I don't see a problem. As for the differences between the braces they have drag racing ones not intended for highway use. Then they have street and road racing ones. I gaurantee you get the ones made out of Chromemoly those won't break on you for the simple fact that they are lighter and and stronger than steel. I am not just making it up either about the K member either. But if it was my two cents Mr. Camaro Fever buy a BMR one with the control arms (cuz lets face it stock sucks) I heard BMR does really good stuff and I have seen there pieces installed and the look very, very good quality. I hope you all have good luck getting your k members.

bac67

iTrader: (2)

it wont really matter if its made from steel or from chromemoly. From my understanding the area thats under concern is the welds, specificly where the spring pockets are welded on to the tubular part.

eric1984z28

i agree with bac67 its the welds that are in question, that is whats breaking on the pa racing k-member and several others.

wdigitog

my knowledge is that chro-moly is stronger, but more brittle than mild steel. it's more likely to shatter at stress points....unlike mild steel which has a certain amount of flex in it's make-up...you pay for the lightness of chro-moly by it's brittleness.

Deimos140

From what I hear on welding chromemoly the only reason the welds on it get brittle is when people weld it wrong because something like the metal has to be cooked before its TIgged.

Kandied91z

iTrader: (7)

if that's the case no one would use it, it's light but not that much lighter.

all of my suspension components minus my actual airbags are chromoly from my sway bars, cage, strut tower bar, lca's, wonder bar... the list goes on and i've had it on the street for years.

anything can happen but if the metal was that bad it wouldn't be used.

formula350sd

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For the sake of playing devils advocate here I must say that if put togeather properly there is NO way that a K member and A arms made of DOM should not be able to stand up to street use the stock member and a arms are stamped steel and inherently much much weaker than DOM steel tubing if a companys tube member cant hold up to the street its a pice of ****

bac67

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Again i dont think the issue has to do with the strength of the steel. I thought the weak point was where the spring perch thingy, was welded to the tubed steel? I agree there is no way the steel should break under street use, but i could see a weak point on the welds, its not easy welding to somthing circular like tubed steel. there just not much you can penetrate your weld into.

formula350sd

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If the weak point is the weld than it isnt welded right a proper weld on ANY kind or shape of steel should be at least as strong as the origional material and in most cases stronger

VILeninDM

I just got a reply from Steve regarding the application. He said "off road and race only" displaimer on Hawk's page is what's left over from the previous k-member Hawk's was selling. When Spohn unit is ready, it will be able to handle anything you throw at it. I am definitely waiting (and I've been waiting since April 2005).

EvilCartman

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Others have been waiting for years. Think I remember talk about him building one when I first joined up on this site.

Anniversary-Z-man

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I'm one of those....I've been waiting for years myself....it's gotta be at least 3 years now maybe longer. LOL. Now that the car is almost ready to roll and the engine is in for the summertime after a LLLoooonnnnnnggggg 5.5 years, I'll be waiting a while to replace anything or take the car out of commission!

getit

I like the chrome moly unit...from anthony jones..friend has one in his stang...very nice.....and strong..considering this material is used for roll cages..in 25.2 form (funny car cage) but not to say the steel one wont work ....its like anything... what you gonna do with it...but I didnt kno that spohn has one comin out..apparently you guys have been waiting 4 a while... makes me think about what to do..