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Truck idles and runs great. No vac leaks anywhere.
It's just that there is a noticeable hissing/whistling noise from my air cleaner right after you tip the throttle and last for a few seconds.
I've gone so far as to coat the aircleaner base and lid with a soundproof coating, and I even run a separate air filter inside my 14" filter open element! 2 filters for cryin' out loud!
I mean, with the windows up and the a/c blower on high, I can still hear it.
Could this be an IAC problem? Best/easiest way to check IAC operation?
Any other thoughts?
Thanks, SC
__________________ '55 Chevy 210
American Grafitti clone, 496, weiand tunnel ram, 5 spd Richmond trans, 9" rear, 4 whl discs...sweet.
'72 Challenger
6.1 ltr Hemi, auto trans...resto mod.
'72 GMC Sprint SP 454
LS5 454, T400, 3.31 posi 12 bolt, buckets, console, tach/gauges, a/c, ps, pb. Super rare. 1 of 30 built. Green on black. On board for a full resto.
'73 GMC Sprint SP 454
LS4 454, T400, 3.42 posi, swivel buckets, console, tach/gauges, a/c, ps, pb. 1 of 71 built. On board for a full resto.
'75 GMC Sprint SP 454.
Last of the big blocks. One of 34 built. Blue on black. LS3 454, T400, 3.55 posi, swivel buckets, console, tach/gauges, A/C, PS, PB, PW, PL and 50,000 original miles. Unmolested. All original. On board for a full resto.
Perhaps.
I've built a lot of carb engines and none of them made this much noise - even sucking air through a 4 barrel.
I thought maybe the IAC was not operating properly and contributing to the noise.
SC
__________________ '55 Chevy 210
American Grafitti clone, 496, weiand tunnel ram, 5 spd Richmond trans, 9" rear, 4 whl discs...sweet.
'72 Challenger
6.1 ltr Hemi, auto trans...resto mod.
'72 GMC Sprint SP 454
LS5 454, T400, 3.31 posi 12 bolt, buckets, console, tach/gauges, a/c, ps, pb. Super rare. 1 of 30 built. Green on black. On board for a full resto.
'73 GMC Sprint SP 454
LS4 454, T400, 3.42 posi, swivel buckets, console, tach/gauges, a/c, ps, pb. 1 of 71 built. On board for a full resto.
'75 GMC Sprint SP 454.
Last of the big blocks. One of 34 built. Blue on black. LS3 454, T400, 3.55 posi, swivel buckets, console, tach/gauges, A/C, PS, PB, PW, PL and 50,000 original miles. Unmolested. All original. On board for a full resto.
its extra fuel
remember the fuel is coming out of the injectors at a decent pressure and shooting directly onto the throttle blades (or on the edges if youve set your TBI up correctly) Much like the sound water makes when you put your thumb over the end of a garden hose. When you tip in the throttle its most noticeable because that action initiates the fuel addition for delta TPS (a change in TPS) and delta map (change in map) the delta tps is equivalent to a pump shot ona carburetor and the delta map is more or less equivalent to a powervalve in a holley. All that noise you hear is the extra fuel being dumped.
Its one of those things you are going to have to deal with unless you want to fabricate a silencer to go inside of the aircleaner or a snorkled aircleaner.. something with like two 3" snorkles like the ram air box will maintain performance and keep the noise level down.
Personally, i think you just need a louder exhaust
btw carburetors dont make this much noise because most of their fuel is introduced under the throttle plate at low throttle (via the idle circuit and then through the transfer slot )openings and only begins to be introduced via the boost venturi at increasing openings. So fuel isnt really getting sucked past the blades ever or squirting right onto the blades.. neither is it at 10+ psi when it comes out
LOL, my exhaust is loud!
Sets off car alarms all the time what with the 40 series Flowmaster and downturns 18" behind cab.
In fact, the truck is nicknamed "white thunder" because it's loud as opposed to "white lightening" because it's not that fast
I have thought about fabbing a dual snorkel air cleaner, and probably will because that noise just bothers me.
Thanks, SC.
__________________ '55 Chevy 210
American Grafitti clone, 496, weiand tunnel ram, 5 spd Richmond trans, 9" rear, 4 whl discs...sweet.
'72 Challenger
6.1 ltr Hemi, auto trans...resto mod.
'72 GMC Sprint SP 454
LS5 454, T400, 3.31 posi 12 bolt, buckets, console, tach/gauges, a/c, ps, pb. Super rare. 1 of 30 built. Green on black. On board for a full resto.
'73 GMC Sprint SP 454
LS4 454, T400, 3.42 posi, swivel buckets, console, tach/gauges, a/c, ps, pb. 1 of 71 built. On board for a full resto.
'75 GMC Sprint SP 454.
Last of the big blocks. One of 34 built. Blue on black. LS3 454, T400, 3.55 posi, swivel buckets, console, tach/gauges, A/C, PS, PB, PW, PL and 50,000 original miles. Unmolested. All original. On board for a full resto.
If it is a really high pitched whistling, then it is that vacuum leak I was telling you about. It is due to the adapter plate having bores that are larger than the throttle body. and the gasket isnt getting clamped down.
__________________ '93 C1500 w/ 350HO Crate Engine, Vortec Performer Intake, Throttle Body Injection, Flowtech headers, no Cat, Flowmaster 40 series, turndowns, custom raised y-pipe, Jet Chip(now an adapter), Jet AFPR, Emissions removed.
Lowered 4"/6", 295/50 in rear, 255/60 in front, all on Centerline billet, Chrome grille with pollished inserts. Street Scene mirrors.
Custom EEPROM by me.
It was this noisy before I put the performer intake on.
It became much more noticeable when I put the "helix bore" tbi spacer on about 6 months ago. I was hoping to get rid of the spacer when I did the intake swap, but found I still had to use it to get the tbi - specifically, the IAC - to clear the EGR valve.
It must be a combination of spacer and big open element air cleaner that is contributing to the noise.
I'm going to build me a dual snorkel ram air cleaner of some sort to quiet it down.
SC
__________________ '55 Chevy 210
American Grafitti clone, 496, weiand tunnel ram, 5 spd Richmond trans, 9" rear, 4 whl discs...sweet.
'72 Challenger
6.1 ltr Hemi, auto trans...resto mod.
'72 GMC Sprint SP 454
LS5 454, T400, 3.31 posi 12 bolt, buckets, console, tach/gauges, a/c, ps, pb. Super rare. 1 of 30 built. Green on black. On board for a full resto.
'73 GMC Sprint SP 454
LS4 454, T400, 3.42 posi, swivel buckets, console, tach/gauges, a/c, ps, pb. 1 of 71 built. On board for a full resto.
'75 GMC Sprint SP 454.
Last of the big blocks. One of 34 built. Blue on black. LS3 454, T400, 3.55 posi, swivel buckets, console, tach/gauges, A/C, PS, PB, PW, PL and 50,000 original miles. Unmolested. All original. On board for a full resto.
its just air and fuel being sucked into the tb. There are actually small orifaces just above the tb plates. Those probably make quite a bit of noise as the fuel and air pass through them
I am using a throttle body from a 7.4L truck and the noise is insane. I spent a long time serching for leaks and found nothing.
It seems to me that a large portion of the noise comes from the IAC and the holes in the wall of the throttle bores.
I also found that the vacuum lines on the front of the TB have an effect on the sound. Im still not sure why that is.
__________________ 350ci
Weiand 142 roots blower
4bbl TBI controlled by EBL
ported L98 heads
LT4 production cam
T56
Ford 8.8 rear
There's nothing cool about a loud whistling sound coming from beneath your hood - unless you're running a blower or turbo.
I've been checking out the dual snorkel RamAir box from www.ramairbox.com . It looks like the solution to my problem, and I may be ordering one.
SC
__________________ '55 Chevy 210
American Grafitti clone, 496, weiand tunnel ram, 5 spd Richmond trans, 9" rear, 4 whl discs...sweet.
'72 Challenger
6.1 ltr Hemi, auto trans...resto mod.
'72 GMC Sprint SP 454
LS5 454, T400, 3.31 posi 12 bolt, buckets, console, tach/gauges, a/c, ps, pb. Super rare. 1 of 30 built. Green on black. On board for a full resto.
'73 GMC Sprint SP 454
LS4 454, T400, 3.42 posi, swivel buckets, console, tach/gauges, a/c, ps, pb. 1 of 71 built. On board for a full resto.
'75 GMC Sprint SP 454.
Last of the big blocks. One of 34 built. Blue on black. LS3 454, T400, 3.55 posi, swivel buckets, console, tach/gauges, A/C, PS, PB, PW, PL and 50,000 original miles. Unmolested. All original. On board for a full resto.