bigals87z28

thoes 03' and 04 Cobra's are not to be played with! 2k in mods, and they are gunna do you dirty with no lube. SVT hit a home run with that engine. All forged, supercharged DOHC motor. They have the the KB chargers for that, and they can put down 600hp.

Good kills, and good death.

unknown_host

iTrader: (1)

03' cobras are not as amazing as everyone says they are. $2k into a Z06 vette and it will still be faster than your cobra

B4Ctom1

I was in the B4C and yes it has the lame aluminum pro toplines (thier irons are ok I guess).

I took it to the track this weekend (4/18).

see the post about it here:

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...46#post1792146

formularpm

Lame? Why do you say that? The aluminums should flow just as well as the irons...

B4Ctom1

oh Im figuring they do flow the same. the problem is fitment. for some odd reason the ports on the aluminum ones are very odd ball. atleast on my 200cc models. They are narrower than a 1205 gasket, maybe even narrower than a stocker. but they are very tall. along the line of barely smaller than a 1206/1207 gasket but much taller than the 1205. Not only did it take alot of work to get my edelbrock lower to bit them, but any intake I decide to use in the future (if any) will require this same oddball port matching. I have done port matching before but this was an extreme case of opposites. the intake was wide and short and the head port was tall and narrow. The amount of material left at the top of the intake was barely enough to seal it close to maybe an 1/8 of an inch. Many other intakes would require the addition of metal above the ports to make them work. All in all the Accell super ram is a fine intake, and the edelbrock intake lower similarly sized to the accell lower and the heads are big enough. But on my 412 size engine I need a larger cam which I picked, but for the intake head and compression combo would be better suited for a smaller cam. I need to figure out which is the best compromise. I am thinking smaller cam, much smaller more like 228/234 duration as opposed to the 240/248 I have now. This would likely help tuning of the ECM as well.

CHEVY_EATER

Well, there are some guys running in the 11's with under $1000 in mods. Doesn't take much in those things. $2000 might get you a catback and a filter for a ZO6 since the parts are rediculous in price...

formularpm

Wow that cam is huge for a SuperRam. Anyway, I understand your gripes now, youre not the only one. I just hope the heads flow somewhere in the ballpark of what ProTopline claims...

B4Ctom1

who's intake and heads is that in the picture? who else is griping? I get so tired of people acting like I am insane when I tell them my pro action aluminums sucked in the fitment department.

bigals87z28

Trust me, I am the last man on the planet to be driving any Mustang, but you have to give credit where credit is due. I hate the Mustang, but the 03 and 04's are pretty awesome. Too bad all that power is in a waste of time Mustang.

25THRSS

And all it takes is a good set of tires to put a Z06 into the 11's.

B4Ctom1

I saw that. it was an auto and they got drag radials and a vigilante converter, instant high 11's

formularpm

The pic I posted is of my engine. Even the 1206 Fel-Pro wasnt quite tall enough for the Topline port, but it happened to be waaaay to tall for the StealthRam. If I didnt have machinist friends, the cost to make the intake work would have been ridiculous. I wonder if the iron Toplines have shorter ports, I havent heard any of them complaining. One guy said his StealthRam fit perfectly on his iron heads, which obviously isnt the case for me.

B4Ctom1

that is the same thing I have heard about the irons

from that huge post in aftermarket review.

for pro-toplines:

iron = great fit
aluminum = teh suck fit

Im thinking the GM ram jet intake on vortecs on my 412 with a more streetable cam and ditch the huge cam, accel super ram upper, edelbrock lower port matched to the 200cc protoplines, along with the 200cc protoplines themselves.

PETE

iTrader: (1)

Why not AFR 195's and a converted single plane. From what I've seen their heads do look the like the best for the money. I've been through the cost of the edelbrock base,plenum,runners deal and would definatley go to a converted single plane if i had to do it again. It would prolly cost just as much when you are done.

I really like boosted V8's and decided that my next project will be one. Maybe a nice turbo LS1 in a 3rd gen! Should make things interesting. Could I do it for $12K

B4Ctom1

I really like that idea but the AFR's I have are for the fast car, and a converted carb intake requires hood space or it sucks hot air, which requires a cowl hood, which requires paint work, which would be impossible to paint match this 3 stage metallic house of color paint, so I would have to repaint the whole car, which is more worms than I can get back into the can.

PETE

iTrader: (1)

What about a low profile intake and a doghouse? Don't know how close it would be, but could tap the intake for all sensors and such! Maybe if you pull out the hood lining and bracing it might fit

B4Ctom1

it might work but I am NOT gutting my B4C's hood.

B4Ctom1

SOME ACTION TONIGHT!

Tonight no huge collection of cars just a tiny handful and a surprise. Me and my pal "BM" planned to go out and run the car he built for his dad against the B4C. It is a totally stripped 84 5.0 with a newer T5 and newer 8.8 rear. It has a fresh 306 with a carb and a 100 shot of nitrous. He also rides on ET Streets. It's very light, fun, and fast. "BM" has built a few stangs and does fairly decent with it.

When I was at the track the other day the 26x10.5x15 et streets were so clapped out and showing threads that on the 130 mile drive home one went out. I had to drive on the safety spare the last 50 miles of the trip.

Well My friend Brian (that bought my JYD 2.0 car) had a set of dried out 16" et streets from 5 years ago when he had a powerdyne'd 95 camaro. They are pretty worn but at least they are "something". I put them on a few days ago and tonight raced on them.

When we arrived down town most people had gone home but we decided earlier in the day at BM's shop that we would just zip out to spot "B" and bust one off.

When we got out there we had a little small talk, I dropped the ET streets down to 18 he went down to about 12-14 psi. We made light burnouts and lined up. My car hooked like a **** and his did a "side to side" boogie. I jumped two cars and it stayed that way exactly to the finish line.

When we returned and were parking another car showed up on the horizon. We parked got out of our cars (its dumb to run when the cops show up). It wasn't the cops, it was the old yellow Javelin (AMC) with the 390, 150 shot, and huge ET Streets. Not a car to be triffled with.

While my car cooled, "BM" ran another friend in a newer 4.6 GT motor to motor and easily cleaned the track with him even though he screwed up a few shifts against the rev limiter (why I don't know).

When they returned I expressed my interest in running the Javelin. He said "ok lets go". We both did light burnouts and lined up. I'm used to doing "hands up-hands down" starts. His pal started us with a flashlight start. Either way, I jumped out hard on him almost a whole car. By the time I shifted he had gained back half a car. all the way through 2nd I held that half a car. When I shifted for third he made a huge charge, by the finish line he had taken the other half a car, and two others. Needless to say my car ran very strong. I had no excuses. No spin, no falling down, etc. The car pulled nicely, I just didn't have enough. I like this because it gives me cause to get going on the "fast" car (the 91 Z).

I can honestly also say that if "BM" gets his dads car to hook a little better and launches mirror to mirror with me that it could be anyones race.

B4Ctom1

temporary set back:

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=240998

B4Ctom1

fixed the set back and went right out and gave her a good test

I had fun back on the 14th, before I left for Salt Lake for two weeks. As it turns out, way back when we closed our shop two years ago, one of our customers opened a smaller one of his own. He opened about 6 months ago. But he works on regular car stuff as well as performance stuff. He is a real cool guy. Anyhow, it was "Miller Performance" night at the local circle track so we showed up with all of our rides where we were supposed to cruise around the track maybe spin the tires a bit and then get off. Well he was concerned there were too many mustangs (he was right) and not enough Chevys so he asked me to attend. A junky Chevelle and a Duramax and me were the only Chevys.

Back when I bought the white Z it came with new BFG’s on it and the rears were well worn so I mounted them on my burgundy B4C with the good ones on the back. The mustangs do a few "ok" burnouts then I roll up to the start/finish line and destroy those new BFG's in front of a couple thousand people. I shifted up to third until indicated speed was about 110 mph. I was engulfed in a cloud so I slowly rolled forward and continued my burnout until I was as far around the track as I could go because there were the few other cars that were lined up behind me. when I stopped and got out of my car just to check to see if the tires were flat and to see the rubber all over my nice paint (real dumb eh?) it was a standing ovation! The ****ing crowd went wild. My mustang pals were jealous and my friends have been getting inundated with inquiries about my B4C for the whole two weeks I was out of town. It was at that moment I truly knew I was a hick. pictures or video will be posted when I get my hands on them. I made so much smoke it was a few minutes before they could race again.

83 Crossfire TA

iTrader: (2)

Sounds like what I did in front of a friend’s house in the formula. I was sitting the circle in front of his house and kept going until the smoke was so thick I couldn’t see the gauges on the dash or the steering wheel and decided that I might hit something if I didn’t let off. Turned out I destroyed a set of 245 50 16’s, blew out the seals in the water pump and left roughly 1” deep ruts in the asphalt that smoldered for a good 20 minutes. I’m not sure that his neighbor’s were amused but he enjoyed it.

B4Ctom1

yeah thats what I am talking about. I am usually adverse to making big jackass burnouts. the safety of this situation was within reasonable controls. I forgot to mention, how the heck does all that smoke get into the car?

ljnowell

Just watched HP TV the other day and they took a 2003 cobra, a 200 dollar pulley set, and a 400 dollar programmer and made 415 RWHP. Screw the corvette.

83 Crossfire TA

iTrader: (2)

yea, I’m usually against it, but I was in a location that I new that there wasn’t going to be anyone else in the way (what I was worried about hitting was his mailbox) and on a set of tires that more then anything I wanted dead (actually, I have 2 more sets that I plan on burning to the ground sometime).

As far as how does it get inside, the HVAC ducting. AAMOF, I had that smell coming out of them for 3 or 4 days after that.

B4Ctom1

7/16/04

another night of racing although weak

I raced the 2003 Cobra in the B4C. got him by 5 cars at the start and lost by a fender right at the finish line. He has been to the track and runs the exact same 13.60 (at 5800 feet altitude) as I do.

Twin turbo 300ZX vs. the hopped up 6.0L powerstroke; it wasnt even a race, that 300ZX was toast. This 4 door shortbox 3/4 ton powerstroke looks like it is going to lift the fronts when it comes out of the hole. It ran 14.40 before the exhaust mods (at 5800 foot altitude). With the exhaust mods we are expecting a 14.1 or 14.0

according to the NHRA site at 5800 feet you lose just under one second in the 1/4 mile for cars of the speed we are talking about. I have confirmed this myself by racing here and at Sears Point (0 feet altitude) in california.

I got to try to get you some video of this powerstroke launching it is a sight to see, he has toasted a suped up duramax, a 7.3 powerstroke that makes 500 hp and 1000 ftlbs at the rear wheels, a Neon SRT, a new EVO, and now a 300ZX.

news: a guy in the Air Force just moved here and got his car from England. It is a black civic (year?) with an "H"? motor and a T3/T4 hybrid that makes just under 600 hp and just over 550 ft/tq on 30 lbs of boost (confirmed by the dyno owner in the next town over). He came to my friends shop offering a race for $1000, sadly the car only runs an 11 in the quarter which makes it a 12 second car here. He desn't know we have cars that run 10's that hook just as hard on the street as they do at the track and 9 second cars that run on the street with the 10 second cars. silly rabbit trix are for kids.

jocww

go teach him a lesson and get some money. also where in cali are u located b4

83 Crossfire TA

iTrader: (2)

If he’s smart he probably knows that he can up the boost to compensate for the loss in air density and make the same power at your altitude as he does at sea level using the same fuel… 600hp in something as light as a civic could surprise some of those fast cars, especially when you guys are used to “10 second cars” running 11’s…

B4Ctom1

I was talking about those 9 and 10 second cars running 9's and 10's here

and his 11 second honda running 12's here

the 9 and 10 second cars I was talking about have only run 9's and 10's at this altitude and they hook as good on the street as at the track (the 10 second cars specifically), and his honda's 11 second run was a one time deal at sea level. sure he can up his boost but not to the extent to make up a second. even if he were able to thats still 1 second slower than his competition.

now the 9 second cars its iffy, they are all over the place, a street race is not a track race, and some of the 10 and 11 second cars I know have trouble hooking at our street races, but there are a couple 10 second cars (the ones that will take his money) that hook on the street like they do at the track.

Either way, I have no doubt that his FWD car will not hook nearly on the street like it does at the track. without a doubt a 600 hp car that weighs 1900 lbs is a threat, but his game of "catch-up" would require a half mile race to capitalize on it.

83 Crossfire TA

iTrader: (2)

Not to be argumentative, but I don't know you or any of your friend's in real life... and have run across a lot of 9 and 10 second street racers that I've taken money from in a "stockish" f-body. So something that is almost a confirmed 600hp engine in what should be less then a 2000# body that everyone "knows" won't hook sounds like it could be a contender with the right driver.

OTOH, it could also end up running 14's.

B4Ctom1

I understand your sentiment, but a car that has run an 11 and a string of 12's at sea level is going to have quite a time here at 6000 feet. The situation is that we have a gentleman that has gotten used to showing up to new small towns and cleaning the clock of any old junk that the locals can scrounge up. Here we have a 55,000 person population with what may be the greatest density (argueably) of severe street cars for the small populace. See we have no noise/emission/safety inspections here. So basically you have race cars driven with plates and insurance on the street daily. He doesnt understand this. If he were to come to our street races and see a pair of cars hang the front tires a foot or so in the air then he would understand. I lived in california and rarely saw what has become a normal sight to see around here since before I was born.

take a look here is just a tiny sample from last years stuff, I really need to update, there are no pictures of the novas, chevelles, or even the ford truck. only a few of the mustangs.

What I really need to do is get a vid cam with night shot for those killer races.

83 Crossfire TA

iTrader: (2)

Where do you live? While there are a few 9 and 10s oldschool cars on the local street race scene, most are easy pickings for anyone with a decent performance car and some driving skills

B4Ctom1

Cheyenne, Wyoming,

I have seen a low 9 second car in colorado get stomped by a 11 second AWD talon at street races there, but he couldnt hook, and we have the non hooking type 9 second street racers as well. but we also have the hooking kind

83 Crossfire TA

iTrader: (2)

Oh, we have plenty of cars around here that run around on slicks all the time and a few that will even heat their tires before making a street pass… there’s cars that hook around here. My brother leaves his hoosier slicks on all the time, actually wore the last set out on the street. I seem to have no problems running 1.7’s on street radials so I usually don’t bother, but I’ve stumbled on some free 275 60 15 BFG DR’s which seem to be enough for me to drive like a jackass off the line without spinning

B4Ctom1

well as it turned out a couple weeks ago the guy showed up to race and his $1000 bet once actually taken suddenly shrank to $150 and the taker was a 03 cobra with a borla cat back and a good driver. Immediately mr riceboy decided that it needed to be a rolling start. HAHA! of all the cars to race from a rolling start, I told him only ricers do rolling starts, well anywas to make a long story short sure its fast...for an economy car but obviously not faster than an 03 cobra. He has since changed his whole tone and has been successfully stomped by every medium to slow car in town. typical of the breed it was all hype and little substance.

B4Ctom1

another kind of big night of street racing this time we go out of town so I don't really know alot about all the players. we went to where we will call 5cty. everone was friendly and the only **** that showed up was fast (1 car). temp outside was about 45 degrees.

the groove


the people




a 4th gen auto TA


a GTA

B4Ctom1

part II

nice nova with a D3-M and a 412


blue iroc



a dark 67? camaro



lining the camaro up against the GTA

B4Ctom1

part III

2 car trailer the dart and the nova they traveled 150 miles to have fun


the truck lines up (557 cid + nitrous)


two 2003 cobras!!!


five point OUCH! broken crank


the most suck *** crappy quality street race movies you have ever seen: HERE

89V6FBIRD

I think that's a 68, from what I remember 67s don't have sidemarkers and 68s did, and 69 was a slightly different shape. Correct me if I'm wrong

83 Crossfire TA

iTrader: (2)

I was going to say it's a 68 also... it also doesn't have the small vent windows at the front of the side windows/flat side glass like the 67's did

B4Ctom1

thats why I said "67?" because I knew that the wing window was the key just not to what extent, ie which was which...

stu

Not if they can drive you won't. The car in the race that I posted in the "Pinks" thread ran a 13.99 stock (at Bandimere) and another guy off our board ran a 13.6 (yes stock, he made sure to point out that no one ever believes him) also at Bandimere.

N/A and supercharged cars will lose about a second at a mile above sea level. Turbo cars will only lose around half a second.

EDIT: Just finished reading the thread. Again, turbo cars only lose about half a second, but that's at the same boost level and with an equal tune. The guy with the Civic was probably hyped up.

I don't see how you can be beating all these cars by such long distances (5-8 cars) when you only run a 13.6?

B4Ctom1

yeah I can agree with that "good driver" thing. My friend has a 03 cobra that is stock and has run 13.3 up here I have no doubt there is faster even than that. I used to race bad *** bikes like R1's and such in my 12 flat ride and after they went to the track a few times with us I didnt stand a chance.