Scheister

ive never run one before and was wondering. one would be a 91 and the other a 92. thats all i know about them. and what is the fastest speed you can drop the 700r4 back into 2nd? i dont know yet if they want to do it from a dig or roll.

stu

If it's just a b16a into a hatchback with a header, CAI, exhaust, and not really weight reduction. I'd put them some where in the low 15's.

urbanhunter44

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Just floor it and watch where it shifts into third at.. that's the max possible speed you can downshift and not over-rev...

I remember my old camaro shifted into second at 40, and would stay there till around 60 or so.

Scheister

thanks, thats what i was looking for. as for the tranny as long as i dont over-rev the engine i wont hurt the tranny?

Scheister

so i ran the civic... and i found out that he has I/H/E pistons & rods, milled head and hes running 11.something compression. without the nitrous it was dead even.

7plagues

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ahha my bad.. good job.

Orr89RocZ

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not bad.. 11 to one on a B16 and all those bolt ons will get it running good.

definately capable of bottome 15's to high 14's i believe. in a hatch tho gutted out, they can get pretty light. still think they wont be quicker than higher 14's. GSR hatches tho (b18's) can run bottome 14's with only minor bolt ons. add cams and they can hit high 13's where my friends is. he is gutted out and full built GSR. not bad for a NA car

stu

He never said anything about the car running 11's. He said it was running 11.1 compression.

Scheister

correct stu. i was the run with nitrous and he was just N/A although i didnt open the bottle. he said he ran a 15.0 on a day i know was wet (friend at the track that dat had a 4 sec 60') i didnt know those little things could be so quick n/a

JesasaurusRex

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15.0 quick

Scheister

for a 4 banger yes, but my car is just slow

mw66nova

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time for headers back exhaust for you my friend. and learn how to tune that prom so you can get some serious power out of more mods. if you desire to mod the little 305, just know, i got mine to run a 13.03 @103mph N/A, so they can be made to be quicker than most folks think.

also, i'd look into a set of 3.42 or 3.73 gears.

Scheister

yeah i know, im just waiting for more money to flow in. and i havent quite decided what i want to do with the car yet. i havent decided if i want to go ahead and buy all the bolt ons now or if i want to save the money from those and get a 350 then get the bolt ons. and would those gears make a huge difference over the 3.23s i have in there now?

mw66nova

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to see any real difference, you'd have to get some track times (before and after)

i'd do the bolt ons now and then pickup the 350 later, it will all transfer over and then you don't have worry about anything choking the 350 either.

stu

15.0's N/A is not quick for anything. 13.0's N/A is quick for a Civic.

urbanhunter44

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15s are quick for imports and 5.0 SN95 mustangs at Sacramento raceway.

There were so many imports with 16 and 17 second dial ins. Hardly anyone there runs 13s or lower, everyone that does either has an fbody or occasionally a 5.0 stang, but its rare. Theres one SRT-4 that's pretty fast, but he's always a dumbazz and drags his back wheels through the fvcking waterbox.

stu

I find it hard to believe that in California, the only people running in the 13's are F-bodies and Fox Bodies.

JesasaurusRex

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Hey jerk i drag my front wheels through the water box , im just way too lazy to go around it then reverse then go forward and try to get in the groove again. But onto the other topic, 15s may be fast for a civic cuz it was running 20s (not rim size) when it was bone stock. So ya 5 seconds faster than stock is well...5 seconds faster than stock...but it does NOT mean its fast. I really couldnt care less if you dropped 20 seconds, if ur still running 15s ya you're a lot faster than stock BUT ITS STILL NOT FAST.

stu

There are Civic's that run 15's stock.

87TPI350KID

If Im not mistaken the new SI's run high 15s pretty easily. You would be surprised at what a properly tuned import can do. I was reading Car and Driver, and they tested a bunch of imports and most of them ran low 14's and high 13's with a few running in the low low 12s (evo).. correct me if im wrong but those would put up a good fight with some L98 cars.

phoenix305

i'm just curious, what can a b16, b18, and correct me if i'm wrong but isn't it a b20 do n/a. how about when they're turbo'd?

stu

That's like asking what a 305, 350, and 357 can do N/A and turboed. Anything you want them to depending on how much money you want to invest. I thought we'd been over this. I think the fastest N/A 4-cylinder is in the 9's.

JesasaurusRex

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JESUS i hate those questions

phoenix305

nevermind if you guys are going to be ****** about it.

JesasaurusRex

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Ask a stupid question get a stupid answer

87TPI350KID

There are some Turbo eclipses running low 8s and I think someone hit the high 7's on a tv I was watching. Thats F****** nuts from a 4 cyl.

stu

It's ONE turbo Eclipse, and he's in the high 7's. I just posted it in another thread not more than a week ago. His name is John Shepard. The motor is the same displacement as stock as well.

KiLLJ0Y

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yeah but those are all out race cars... nothing stock.. maybe the exterior body panels.. but thats about it..

stu

I guess you didn't read the info about the car on the page then. Full glass, fully carpeted, all metal except the hood, 2650 lbs with the driver, etc. That's what my Integra weighed with me in it.

stu

This car had 687 awhp when it was only running low 10's by the way.




Engine Modifications -
# Stock block and crank
# BJ's lightened stock crank
# Ross forged pistons
# Groden aluminum rods
# HKS camshafts
# BJ's ported cylinder head with 1mm oversize valves, titanium retainers, and double springs
# Unorthodox cam gears
# BJ's sheet metal intake.
# Accufab throttle body
# Buschur Racing race core intercooler and plumbing
# Tial B.O.V.
# HKS T4 manifold
# HKS external race wastegate
# Buschur full 3 1/2" exhaust
# T4 Garret turbo built by Forced Performance
# Fuel Injector Clinic injectors
# AEM stand-alone engine management system
# MSD DIS-2
# Buschur racing coil on plug setup
# Aeromotive fuel pump, filter, regulator
# NX direct port nitrous system controlled by AEM
# Shepherd racing custom built transmission. More info available here.

Interior -
# Gary Reese NHRA certified 12 point cage certified to 7.49
# Momo steering wheel
# Summit Racing seat
# Autometer gauges: fuel level, fuel pressure, oil pressure, boost, coolant temperature and tach
# Fully carpeted

Body and chassis -
# All glass - no lexan
# All steel except for hood
# Volk TE-37 wheels 16x8
# Hoosier DOT 26X8X16
# DSS coil-over kit with Koni shocks
# ACPT carbon fiber drive shaft
# Car weighs 2650lbs. with driver

stu

I see those wheels on 16 second Civics.
Sure has a lot of dash board, door panels, glass, and carpet for a full race car.


Okay, I'm done.

In fact, let's see some pictures of that 7 second street radial car that was brought up, I'd like to check it out.

urbanhunter44

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Well there are some all out drag cars and some mercedes or jags once in awhile. Sometimes theres a fast truck or old muscle car. But still, 95% of the imports there struggle to hit 14s. There was an all out gutted civic with an engine swap and boost that couldn't hit a mid 14. The fast 4 bangers are generally SRT-4s, EVOs and STis.

EDIT: This is on street legal nights btw

stu

I suppose when you take into account the fact that 99.9% of import compact cars are unmodified, and Californias retarded emmissions laws, I can see this. When you go to the import shoot out here, it's teams with cars that run 7's, 8's, 9's. A handful of personal cars running 9's, 10's, 11's and 12's. Two handfulls of personal cars running 13's and 14's. And a standing army the size of the population of China running 16's-19's. *Very few cars actually run 20's +

Scheister

most the imports here are turbod and running 10s-13s

TraviZ

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i guess we have an advantage here in cali when my z28 is not emissions legal and i get away with it lol.

stu

You can also run as loud of pipes as you want. Have as many stupid lights as you want, and be as low as you want without even getting a glance. Try driving a Civic that is just lowered, or has a different muffler.

mw66nova

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nah, i'll stick with my thirdgen, thanks.

stu

I'd take your car over a lowered Civic I decided. Even if it is only a 305.

rocluvr0013

Isnt that thing 4wd? Howd he get it down to 2650 lbs with full interior and sheet metal.

That things impressive as hell btw... [even with half an engine]

mw66nova

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not a 305 anymore...

Codename 47

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Didn't you hear! It's an LS7 now.

urbanhunter44

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Yep, my car has straight pipes pretty much, and I've been pulled over several times, never one comment about my exhaust. The only cop that has ever commented was an off-duty officer and he said it sounded "sick."

Emissions are a bitch, but there are always a way around them. I don't have to pass the visual, and I know every trick in the book to make it pass the sniffer. I watched a really really really lumpy cammed LT1 pass yesterday... that was interesting.. you know what they say.. "necessity is the mother of invention." And if you're a car guy in CA, you HAVE to know how to get past the smog *****.. whether it requires good friends or lots of greenbacks.

urbanhunter44

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There's actually an LS7 crate motor going in a first gen camaro over on ls1tech.com. Really nice setup.

I'm looking forward to seeing mw66novas new setup run, should be fast!

stu

Who said anything about sheet metal? I think their factory weight was 3,000 - 3,200lbs. I know my Integra with no options and hardly any weight reduction weighed a lowest of 2550 with me in it, so I can't imagine that it's that hard.

mw66nova

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i really hope so!

rocluvr0013

Can't be that easy to drop 500+ pounds without removing some serious amount of steel. What i meant with the sheet metal comment is that its not made entirely of c/f. The stock body is still intact.

In other news whats the new setup mw66nova?

mw66nova

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clickhere for info on the combo and don't forget to give your opinion.

80smetalfan

We don't have the emissions laws here in Missouri like you CA guys, so that probably makes a big difference. But anyways, we have a lot faster imports than that. I see quite a few bolt-on NA Integras in the mid to low 14s at the track. 12s seems to be the wall for street-strip imports out here. All of the 12 second cars are turbo as well. We're low altitude, as well. There's even a guy with a built and turboed 2.3 Litre Ford 4 cyl Mustang who runs in the 12s. I don't recall seing any imports in the 11s though, except maybe like a 3000 GT VR-4 or something more high-end like that.

stu

You guys are just talking about test and tune days, or weekly bracket racing right? Not like the NHRA sponsored events? I'd recommend going to one of those, it's not quite Jet Car Nationals, but it's still fun, and you get a good look at the kind of cars in town.

80smetalfan

I'm talkin about test and tune nights with street cars driven by owners.