M1tch

My 1992 RS l03
- 54,000 miles
- Edelbrock open element
- High flow converter, 3" catback, 80 series muffler
- Automatic

2005 Scion Tc
- Cold air intake
- Standard

The dude said his scion would run a 15.4.. i said with 160 hp? No way..

I will be getting a 3.42 gear soon

89IrocZ350TPI

You should win. No way he runs mid-15's.

ShiftyCapone

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eh... I would be carefull. I would race from a dig. All other Scions are terribly slow except for that one. If my 145hp cavy is faster than a stock LO3 than I would be careful of a 160hp car with a similar weight. He could run mid to high 15's bone stock.

89IrocZ350TPI

Those cars soooo damn ugly. The day a camaro loses to a Scion is a sad day.

ShiftyCapone

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Only a TC though. They seem to be fairly quick (for a 4 banger econo-mobile) and should hang if not beat an stock LG4 or an LO3 car. The XB however makes 103 hp and I OBLITERATED one with the girlfriends crap 2.7 V6 4dr A4 Seabring company car. An LO3 would murder it.

89IrocZ350TPI

Ya i hate to put down any Camaro but bone stock those lg4/l03 are kind of slow. I mean tiny peanut cam,restrictive heads,exhaust/intake same story, but at least they look good. I still think the Camaro will win beacuse the lo3 makes 170 hp and weighs less. The TC makes 160 and is heavier. Either way it could be a drivers race anything can happen out there.


M1tch-Do you have a buddy with an LS1.

Mike-in-Orange

Mid 15s for the Scion tC is pretty accurate - the car weighs just over 2900lbs which is still a bit heavy but a few hundred pounds lighter than a thirdgen.

M1tch

You have to think though, I have 100 ft/ lb of more torque than him. I'm probably pushing 285 or so because of my exhaust.

But if i get that 3.42 gear installed I know for a fact i would beat him.

M1tch

my dad has a 1997 Camaro SS (LT1) if that counts

ShiftyCapone

iTrader: (7)

A 3.42 gear on an otherwise stock LO3 will not typically reduce your ET. You will however see a mph or two gain added to your trap speed. The gears will play a bigger role as you continue to mod your car.

It will be a close race but as speeds get higher his chances of losing the the TC increase. The camaro is not lighter by any means that the TC. In fact it is probably near 500 lbs heavier. A camaro is around 3400 to 3700lbs and the Scion site states the curb weight of the TC to be 2900.

M1tch

I dunno if its me or not but the Exhaust and open element seemed to help me on top end. Seems it runs a little faster

rx7speed

I really doubt that the exhuast added 30flywheel lbs/ft of torque to your car at the flywheel.

89IrocZ350TPI

Just go smoke him with the SS. That will be a joke of a race.

urbanhunter44

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True the LG4/L03 were anemic, however nothing was really wrong with their intakes. The TBIs could use some tuning and bigger injectors, and the carb could use a little tuning, but quite honestly I'd take either of them over a TPI setup. I just flat out refuse to run TPI after I've ridden in several TPI cars, and shown my tail lights to several others.

All an LG4 really needed was a hotter cam and some home porting on the heads. Combined with some carb tuning and headers and it would run just fine.

89IrocZ350TPI

If I had a drag car it would be carbed for sure, definitly not tpi. For the street tpi works good for me. When I said there intakes were restrictive I was talking about the intake manifolds, but your right the L03/LG4 could both use some tuning. Kind of like how you refuse to run tpi, I refuse to run tbi. So what ever works for you.

urbanhunter44

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Lol yeah obviously I wouldnt want TBI either, but I'd take it over TPI. I prefer a carb on anything, or for FI I'd prefer HSR.

a mack6

iTrader: (1)

I think you should race him. Race him on the way to bestbuy so that you can buy a digital camera faster.

I want to see pics of your car dammit!!!!!!!

Red1992V6Rs

His car is about as aerodymanic as a brick.

Anyways, you should win. As long as you run from a dig youll show him your tail lights for good.

DuronClocker

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What are you talking about? The Scion tC is not that bad of a car at all. It actually looks decent, and it is not nearly on the same level as a brick for aerodynamics..you're thinking of the Scion xB...which yes, is incredibly slow, a guy at my work let me drive his new one the other day.

The Scion will probably eat your L03 for breakfast, but go ahead and race him anyways. He might see tail lights for the first few feet, but I have a feeling he'd reel a L03 in fairly quickly.

stu

I wish he would have raced him without ever having made this thread, and been sorely disappointed. LOL

DuronClocker

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lol I know..it seems lately we have a lot of people asking if they can beat some other car, and then when everyone tells them they'll probably lose, they come back and say "well I know with [insert part...gears?] I'd beat them for sure.." or the ever-comedic "I'll just wait until next [time frame] and smoke them with [performance part]" *sigh*

stu

Or, "You'll kick their *** because I'm thinking of a completely different car, because I don't have any idea what I'm talking about. In fact, I never have! Good luck."

DuronClocker

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Eh, oh well, at least we can laugh knowing what really happens when they ever do race.

Louder cars always feel faster; you probably didn't gain as much as you think. I'm sure the cat-back and intake helped, don't get me wrong, but it didn't magically turn your car into a low 15sec car.

You might beat him to 40 or 60 if you get a good launch on him, but if you guys are racing near a 1/4 mile or start from a roll, I think he'll take you.

Red1992V6Rs

and you never make a ****ing mistake stu, my fault, i made a mistake, and i realized it when i was thinking about it today, now get over

stu

It's just the internet. Get over.

89IrocZ350TPI

Now now children

Red1992V6Rs

Once again a simple mistake was taken out of proportion. I have absolutely no problem with admitting my mistakes, but I don't need to hear smart *** remarks when I do make them.
Instead of saying,
You could say, "Oh, your thinking of the xB".

The xB has a 1.5L engine putting out 103hp with 101tq whereas the tc has a 2.4L that puts out 160hp and 163 tq.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That is where I got them mixed up.

stu

Thanks, I'm familar with Google too.

M1tch

Wtf? No need to be a *****.

Scion Tc's are not fast. I have saw a video of a TC going 0-50 and it was not impressing. But if i DID lose it would not be by much.. and i THINK a 3.42 would even the gap if I DID lose.

Btw.. I read up on some Tc times and its rare for them to break under 16. 15.8 was the best i saw.

So it would be a really close race. and like i said i think getting a 3.42 gear would make the difference if i lost.

urbanhunter44

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haha i love this forum

vwdave

tC's are faster than you think. Think of it this way. The scion has a closer gear set, shorter ring and pinion, less weight, and more top end RPM power than a L03. Not to mention it either has a 2.2, or 2.4 DOHC engine that makes a decent amount of torque for what it is.

Dont be surprised if you lose.

Get headers, a TBIchips chip (since thats the easiest/cheapest way) and get 3.42's. You might win then.

Treys_IROC

JUST GET NAWWWWWWS . then you'll take him

90CamaroTBI

I dont know what it is, but a T-5 must be way better for these cars. There is no way in hell a stock cavi could beat me.

ShiftyCapone

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Wanna race?

Not to play devil's advocate but have you riden/drove an M5 Z24 with the 2.4 or driven an new ('03 thru '05) M5 Ecotec car? There are plenty of mid 15 timeslips from those cars (in stock trim) over on www.jbody.org. I wouldn't worry about the 4dr cars and or the auto cars as you will beat those with ease. However, the economy packaged (zero options 2500lbs or so curb weight) M5 coupes were considerably faster.

When my LO3 was stock my buds stock M5 '98 Z24 would beat me on a highway roll. I would toast him off the line but he would run me down. The base 2.2 Ecotec cars are lighter and make only 5hp less (150 vs 145).

I have raced a few LO3 and LG4 cars in my cavy and have won every time. It is actually pretty funny.

90CamaroTBI

Oh I see, the cavi has a 5 speed. Yeah ok that makes sense then. Are our cars really that much faster with T-5's?

91ChevyRS

I would like to know...when my transmission gives up I am going to swap to a WC T-5 but I heard many people complaining about reliability issues and how it sucks in comparison to the 700R4....

I would like to know how much faster it is with a T-5

urbanhunter44

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it traps higher and will let you have a bit more fun however your ET won't change much at all unless your current tranny is slipping. Anyone that complains about reliability of a WC T-5 over the 700R4 is just a plain moron. Once you drive a V8 with a stick, you won't want anything else.

A T-5 will put up with a sh*tload of abuse and keep running. That "300 ft-lbs of tq limit" bullsh*t is exactly that..

ShiftyCapone

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I take this with a grain of salt. For every one T5 that lasts under harsh driving there are one hundred more that are blown up. The T5 will not be destroyed from power alone but it will when you combine power with powershifts, slicks, and high rpm launches. The T5 is fine for daily driving with decent power. It cannot be beat on like a T56.

urbanhunter44

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well sure I'm not saying it's going to last forever behind a 11 second car launching hard on slicks. I'd want a built T56 for that.

But for street driving with 400 at the fly I'd trust one any day.

91ChevyRS

is it even possible to put a T56 behind my LO3?

Just wondering, I may consider an Lt1 swap down the road or I may not, depends on my budget...

I'd prefer a fourth gen Lt1 rather than swapping but if the opportunity presents itself I'll take it.

ShiftyCapone

iTrader: (7)

Yes it is.

urbanhunter44

iTrader: (3)

yeah you can put a T56 back there, search around I'm sure there are plenty of how to guides

kyles88bird

lets put it this way, i dynoed roughly 180RWHP on my L03, here is my mod list
L98 cam, open element, performer tbi intake, 180* t-stat, low temp fan switch, catco highflow cat, dynomax cat back, accel coil and 8.8 wires. and i have 3.42 gears. i ran a 15.2@89 with my highest trap speed being 93mph.

ShiftyCapone

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With those mods you should be in the high 14's.

What chip work do you have? If you have none you are leaving out 30+ hp.

The LO3 is weak in stock trim but simple mods really wake it up.

kyles88bird

shift, im gonna hit u up on aol

there is no chip work done at all to my knowladge, i bought the car with the motor rebuilt with the modifications(he told me it was a L98 cam) i added the 3.42 gears cuz my 3.08 rear had a nasty nosie as soon as u move in the car(i got the 3.42 rear from a bone yard with 15K on it, for 125$)

89IrocZ350TPI

Ya i gained a ton on my old car [lg4] with just headers. The stock parts suck big time.

Psycho_91Camaro

I defeated 2 Scion TC's no compettion, those owners think theyre the fastest because they get these factory accessories... My Camaro is a 305 TBI, we raced from a dig.

urbanhunter44

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hell lance armstrong would smoke a scion

rx7speed

hey my honda comes with a STRAIGHT FROM HONDA FACTORY cowl scoop that faces towords the front to eat up the good air

82knightrider

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man,ive seen new toyota 4 runners with those scoops