TorqueTilla

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theres that extra .1 litres for ya lol, good kill man

camaro91boy

no definatly twin turbo i saw them before we raced while he was getting set i unplugged the speedometer sensor unleashiung everything my car has nothing to hold it back. but if i race with the plug in it will hold it back at 100mph and won't shift.

yevgenievich

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those auto transmissions in stealth are worse than i thought they were. find a five speed to race next time. stealth should not go into last gear until it hits 100

draco

I drove her car today too, check this out. Her tranny is an auto 4spd with over drive, much like the 700r4 is. The only difference is it has the o/d locked out all together. The stealth shifts like this 1st: 0mph - 35mph 2nd: 36mph-60mph 3rd: 60mph-100mph. At 100mph the car is tacking 6k!!! Then you push this little button on the side of the shifter labeled "over drive" and it then shifts in to 4th, which will take you to about 120mph. I'm not sure if you can go any faster than that, I was scared lol. The car gets all slidey and shifty at about 90mph.

yevgenievich

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get the car checked out, i've been taking corners at 120 and it was smooth, that's where 300z fell even farther behind me. Well, to think about it, maybe your gf's stealth got crappy tires? Btw, that trans does sound a little wierd.

draco

She's got brand new 205/45 tires on a set of 17inch rims. I don't think tires are the issue. However the suspension feels a little soft

camaro91boy

face it stelths just suck. my camaro shifts into 4th at about 100 and who are you kidding cornering smoothly at 120 mph.

draco

hahahhahaha

yevgenievich

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well, your tires are not as wide, i got AA traction 245/45/17 on my stealth, and i wasn't talking about 90* cornering. 45*- 30* or so. there is no way anybody can turn 90* at 120. I shift from third to fourth at 80mph, and that's about 5k-6k rpms

f_1_camaro

The only question I have for you is how much crack did you smoke to be so misinformed about THE SUPER AWESOME STEALTH !!!!!!!!!!

yevgenievich

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and i wonder how much crack did you smoke to even think about writing that stealth could be super awesome...
on plus for stealth is that it handles as good as my bird, stopes better, more comfortable, doors close without loud bang, and there is no need to pull the dash apart just to get that one annoying rattling sound out of the car. The main problem that i have with stealth is front wheel drive and the underpowered v6, and that exhaust will sound like crap at high rpms, if it was tt v6 with rear wheel drive i would be happy with it. but it's not(and they don't make them that way). I always liked camaros and firebirds, so instead of wasting money on stealth i bougth a firebird and i am happy with it.
P.S. 7.7 0-60 in front wheel drive car with underpowered v6 is not too bad i would say. it's not 3-4 second vette ,but then early vettes were powered by 150 hp straight six. And early 4-4-2s were 7.5 seconds 0-60. But that's 40 years ago...

rockit

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130mph in m t/a with plenty left

Lucid

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So you beat your....girlfriend...??

draco

yup that about says it haha

F-Body_Fetish

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Just out of curiosity. what do the v6 Camaro's drive like? do they use similar V6's as the ones used later in luminas and whatnot? does the car sound like an econo-box or is a descent sound, for a V6.

draco

F-body_fetish go to youtube and look up some exhaust set ups for V6 Fbodies, I'm sure you will be impressed.

F-Body_Fetish

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Yeah, i checked it out. Not bad for a V6 but it still sounds kind of awkward. especially on a camaro. it idles higher and its not as deep, sometimes they sound like tractors lol. still one of the best V6 sound i've heard. but my god i hate V6's with a passion.

draco

Then get a V8 :-p

F-Body_Fetish

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I have one

tpivette89

hope you never run into a GN on the street/track that wants to play, cause afterwards youll hate V6s even more

z28z34man

or a tta or a moded l67 or a moded super cupe ect......

there are severel fast v6s just more fast v8s

F-Body_Fetish

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Yeah, there are some fast V6's. but i think V6 is redundant. if you want performance go V8, if you want economy go I4. plus, the V6's are terribly unbalanced compared to other engines. I would prefer an Inline 6. Or, a V8 with the same displacement as the V6.

Nater2491

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i raced a fox bod this summer beat him at the take off ( he said i could take the hit and i in fact did while he was warming the tires) any way had a tta riding our asses, then passed us both. those things are pretty quick. was like he wasn't even trying. any way now its snowing my iroc is in the garage and i can't have any more fun

rockit

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inline six is the best engine layout. literally, name an inline six that isn't able to handle mass power, or mass mileage or a continual 100000 mile beating. here's a few I6's to go with what i say. also I6 is the only engine that requires no external balancing or internal balance shafts.

Slant 6= chryslers ol workhorse, known for their ability to go without oil, and people's inability to destroy them. also saw track use with the trak pak and were popular in the 80's, now forgotten.

Ford I6= pretty much the same reputation for indestructability as the slant 6

2jz= toyota's semi modern wonder, 1000 hp on stock internals anyone?

rb25det,rb26dett= nother 1000 hp motor, on less then 3 liters. known as the godzilla engine.

Cummins turbo diesel= want to pull the empire state building out of your way?

i had a few other in mind but now i can't remember. problem with an inline six is the low literage associated with them for the space they take up.

F-Body_Fetish

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Thats all how companies produce them. the bottom end all depends on the materials and spec's used for construction which are regulated by the manufacturers. but theoretically the V8 is the best layout in terms of efficiency. they'll produce best power:weight ratios and are inherently balanced the best. There are also some V8's that have ridiculous durability. alot of people bash V8's for being unreliable but half of them don't realize that they're put under much more stress (not directed at you, at the general public / common driver). I have to admit though, that the I6's are pretty impressive, especially the ability to handle high power on stock parts, maybe its due to the fact that there are more main bearings(load distribution)? i don't know. but when it comes to reliability and such its all based on the companies. V8 diesels have ridiculously high amounts of torque as well. but my argument is entirely scientific/theoretical. as for naming I6's, well i don't know many of them but if you want to go the mileage route, i have a 305 in my driveway, its got 300 000km's on it, never rebuilt and it runs like a charm. I4's from toyota will last a lifetime. the beating is all relative, Dependant on intensity (how hard you beat it). I tried to find the article on the internet about the V8 but I failed.

TLS_Addict

Wow you guys are blasters.....but at least you dont seem to take it to heart much.

All I can say is my father SMOG L48 78 auto vette dusted my friends DOHC 5-speed stealth like it was sitting still and my 84 vette (a few performance mods) walked my other friends Stealth Turbo all the way to 130mph. Of course I had gears, converter, exhaust and a few other little things....lol

My vette weighed in with 1/4 tank of gas at 3250, the Stealth Turbo was over 3900 lbs! Normal stealth I am not sure, I thought they were 3500 or so, not sure.

BTW.....My GTO is only turning 3100 rpms at 130 in 6th gear.....hahaha Crusiing speed!

Having raced STI's from a dig (monsters they are!) the VR4 is much the same. You need ***** to really launch those cars in the 4-5k rpm range. But the AWD and the lack of real upper RPM pull works against those cars.

All nice cars. Ok back to the war.

Nater2491

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i raced a 84 vette with my stock 305 and beat it cross fires are junk, but corvettes are gods gift to earth. and the best car ever.

TLS_Addict

A GOOD running Crossfire will walk you 305. Even if power is close, the 305 breaths as well above 4500 rpm as a 95 year old guy who smoked since he was 12. Also the Corvette is Lighter than you. If you beat it you didnt beat the car, you beat the driver. Mine ran 14.6 with full stock exhaust and a junk tranny. Had the car only 2 weeks after the exhaust and the tranny rebuild and had a tiny encounter with guard rails. But it was faster than my friends 87 auto Vette.

Mine however had an 88 corvette engine, higher RPM converter, and a full exhaust.

If you had a Corvette in your garage than you would be more partial to them. You have a Camaro so your more partial to those. I have had both, prefer the Vette much more.

Like you said Crossfires are junk. They were a stepping stone to more performance. Just like your little 305 was a stepping stone to todays engines, which in a few years will be again out dated by the new versions.

Lucid

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The base stealth SOHC has 165hp, the DOHC has 222hp, and the Turbo DOHC makes 300-320hp.

My friends stealth has a curb weight of 2900 pounds, most are around 3000. The turbos go over 3700 pounds.

Their forte really isnt speed, unless you are talking about the twin turbo model.

They can handle though, even at higher speeds. Theres this nice little place where we go thats cut off and its a 90 degree turn into about a 45 degree arc into a flat spot and out at the 45 degree arc again.

He pushes that damn thing way harder than i can. I am going to run him with my 87 IROC when he gets his clutch done and see which one handles better.



BTW in regards to the Cross Fire being fast.... LOL. I ran one with my stock 190hp 305 TPI and spanked him. That poor poor 350... It must have been the driver...

Also, that "little" 305 tpi that you speak of was developed to be put into the Corvette. Chevy decided that the Corvette needed the full 350ci so they put all the 305's in the Camaros and Firebirds. Thats why the intakes for the TPI are the same for the 305 and 350's.

TLS_Addict

I wont argue your point there but the 350 crossfire (even though rated at 205) still made more power than the 305 plus the Corvette is lighter and the weight is more balanced from front to back. The only good thing that the 305 camaro has is the solid rear.

Yes the intakes are the same on the 305 and 350, that was because if it fit one it HAD TO FIT THE OTHER one. With GM making parts that fit all cubic inch sized small blocks I dont think they would have dubbed the 305 for use in the Corvette. It was a carry over of earlier designes, just as the 350 was. 350 was created before the 305 and was designated for use the Corvette. I highly doubt that the Camaro was the reason behind the 350 tuned port and the Vette was the reason behind the 305 tuned port. Why would GM put an inferior engine in the flagship and put the bigger/better one in the little brother?

Either way the 305 crossfire, 350 crossfire, 305 TPI, and 350 TPI are not powerhouses in stock form. Can they be made fast, yes they can. But to me a stock TPI or Crossfire is a dog. I dont care if its in a Camaro, Corvette, or Firebird.

rockit

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gotta agree with TLS, weight distribution is key to speed, win, corvette.
on my original point about I6's they ARE the overall best engine layout in terms of durability, reason being harmonics. they balance naturally and if you think about it, do they build houses or buildings in a "v" shape? no it's not stable and would cause high stress areas that aren't well supported, an inline configuration supports itself well from main bearing to head bolts. while it's a tad harder to fit as many cubic inches in due to the length, they take less space up longitudinally making it a snap to put a turbo or two into service. and turbo's are the shiznet yo.

RB26DETT FTW!

heh if crossfires are slow why brag about spanking one? it's all cars man, run what you brung, judge no one they might come back and spank you someday making it even worse that you talked trash.

one last thing, if you're getting outhandled by an AWD, you have problems. they have way more front tire load then most FR's, infact most times it's almost as bad as FF. try an earlier apex to maximize your rear traction, you have the second best layout for turning vs the second worst. If you dunno how to apex, well then maybe that's why he's out cornering you, knowledge is power, or speed.

TLS_Addict

AWD is fine for smaller technical tracks and do handle well but a good driver with a rwd would be able to pull away. Especially down a strait from the AWD even if both cars are equally matched for power (one being a RWD). My friens STI pulls my LS1 up to about 70 and I can catch him by 90. If we do a roll its over because he loses top end power due to the smaller displacement (less torque) and the drag of the AWD and that terrible wing they put on the back....lol I-6 is a GREAT engine. Very stable like you say, and the engines have great longevity due to less wear taking place because there is less stress due to all the pistongs going in 1 direction.

yevgenievich

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i found something interesting. What does everybody think?
stock 89 firebird 305 TPI, stock stealth and others
Does this simulator actually seem to simulate using most of the variables?

firebird setup

stealth

rockit

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Awd, only good for excessive power in a straight line, they cannot turn as good as a similar FR. they have more lateral load to the front tires then an FR hands down. Now, this is assuming that the two comparison cars are both relatively well balanced. 3gfb's have poor rear traction and a butt load of torque, while 20 years ago we were right at the top of the handling list with the corvette, alots happened since then.

That doesn't mean they can't outhandle you, we do have a live rear axle (sucks) and an iron engine up front(sucks). just means that if there was an AWD camaro, it aint' going to turn like a regular one.

84RIceEater

amen i think in most of these racing threads