MikeSammy

Who would win 86 firebird vs 86 mustang

firebird:
383ci carbed engine, dual t3 turbo, factory rear, and everyhting else factory as well.

mustang:
factory turbocharged 302 engine. not sure about rear but I know his entire car is factory.

also would a stock 86 firebird with a 305 barbed engine be able to beat a newer mitsubishi evo?

tpivette89

first off, there was no turboed 302 offered by ford. Ever. They did make an SVO mustang that had a 2.3L 4cyl turbo in 1986, but never a turbo 5.0

and a carbed 305 vs a lancer evolution? Even the L69 (HO 305 carb) would lose by over a second. The evo would slaughter it, no contest

MikeSammy

the 86 mustang is a real factory turbo car but I think it was called the HO 5.0L
also, would a stock carbed 350 engine beat a newer evo?

tpivette89

again, no factory V8 turbo mustang was offered by ford. EVER. PERIOD. do some research on factory turbo mustangs and youll find the 4cyl SVO and thats it

the "HO" designation was to distinguish the mustangs higher horsepower 5.0 from the basic one that was installed in thunderbirds, f150s, and the like. had nothing to do with turbos. have you actually looked under your friends hood and seen the turbo yourself? cause if theres actually one there, ford didnt install it

as far as your "stock factory carbed 350"... no, one wont beat a stock evo. the evo is a mid - low 13 sec car... most stock carbed 350s are smog-era motors that cant get out of the 15s. if you want to beat an evo, youre gonna have to swap in an LS1 or better... or just start throwing mods at whatever you have now

92 Camaro

iTrader: (1)

this is the 2nd thread you posted about wondering about these hypothetical situations that probably aren't even coming close for you. maybe you should sit back and just get an idea of everything you have (car, $, knowledge) and what it takes before you even think about just wanting to **** someone off.

MikeSammy

Yeah u guys are both right. I just need to know a few more things. Which is better a ls1 or lt1. Can you use a standard 350 crate engine block or is a special block needed to build one of these. Money isn't a problem as I plan on putting a good $15,000 into the car over a course of 2 years. I know that special heads and intake, etc. are needed. Im also sorry for asking stupid questions.

midnightfirews6

iTrader: (1)

The standard 350 is a completely different engine from the LT1, and it's completely different from the LS1. The LT and LS designations refer to the block and all of the corresponding parts, as these motors are designed differently from the old Small Block Chevy (350, 305, 327, etc.) The LT used a reverse cooling system and the LS series featured aluminum blocks. Old Small Block Chevy's and LTx engines all use iron blocks.
The LS1 is lighter and more powerful from the factory and is generally favored over the LT1.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_LT_engine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_LS_engine

If you plan on doing a swap, you're going to want to research a lot. Google is your friend.

NAASBC355

I figure it like this LT1 has been... eh never really was. It got the job done sure, but on the other hand did it really? I personally hate both designs with a passion, but for the long haul parts for LS are here to stay, and in the on coming years with the economy all mixed up, and a general loss of intrest in the LT1 will there be any real support for it...hard to say fur sure. I have a long block I build 4 years ago sitting on an engine stand I haven't been able to move It's been in plastic all these years probably needs to be gone through and cleaned up but every attempt I made of selling it has failed horribly. I hate to say it, but between the two if it was me I'd go LS juan. There have probably been more produced, and parts support is strong.

~Couch

nickhil2003

I really dont think there have been more ls engines than 350's. the ls engine has been with us since 97, or 98 i dont remember but the 350 has been with us since 1967 they have made over 90,000,000 sbc 350's and that number is still rising[.

82camaroproject

iTrader: (1)

he was talking about ls and lt engines, there has been many more ls engines then lt, and the ls series has more aftermarket parts.

im sure you just misread it, its understandable

nickhil2003

oh sorry about that.

NAASBC355

How could you possibly think a guy with NAASBC355 as his screen name could ever utter the words "hates the small block chevy with a passion" I thought I made it clear when I said: The LT1... blah blah, The LS1 blah blah.

The LS1 came out in 97 by the way. Just so you know, and the "350" came out in 67, but the block came out as the 327 which was 1962. i think it had larger mains back then, but still had all the hardware needed to become what would later be the 350. The "377" aluminum V8 came out in 63. Did you know over 15,000,000,000 factory hp was produced with the sbc before they so mistakenly stopped producing it and nearly ran the legendary company into the ground. Thanks GM. I hate the gen 2+3, because they just cant compare, in design or ultimate hp capability. I do think that there is major potential in the L92, but things will just never be the same.

~Couch

It's cool don't worry about it. I had to mess with you about i just had to.

NAASBC355

I just read this post: this is what we have all been talking about. What would win the space shuttle, or a top fuel car? What would win? a piano or a bookshelf. There are so many things wrong with this post it's sad it got any attention in the first place. Why would you guys waste your time answering a post like this. A stock gen 3 305 Camaro could possibly beat an evo.....to the ground if you dropped them both off the roof of a building it's 50/50.

~Couch

nickhil2003

haha alright