86White_T/A305

So I was called out at my local tim hortons a few nights ago by some young skinny kid with very big mouth.I was with a few guys and just sitting in my car with the window down as the guys were standing inbetween cars chatting.Along came s2k boy asking does anybody wanna run tonight.No one really knows him so we shrugged it off and kindly said no its too cold and we are just hanging out.I thought that was the end of it but then he starts going about his s2k and how its pretty fast.So my honda friends were asking whats done to it..and he like..oh its a secret but he takes down brand new camaros and mustangs on the highway.So one of my friends was like hey you should run this guy.he comes over and is says did mommy and daddy buy this car for you....:O So now I perk up and politely ask who do you think you are talking to boy..Im 28 yrs old,you dont know whats under my hood and I doubt you have beaten the cars you claim unless you got boost or a built n/a honda motor and judging by hearing you r car come in..you sound stock.

His response was that if he beats the newer cars then mine is a cake walk.He said the brand new camaro ls1????? he put a full car length on the highway run.Im laughing harshly and said..I have one of those ls1's in my car too and im lighter than those cars and that Im pretty sure from a dig or roll that i would nicely rip him a new hole to speak from.he got offended and asked to either take my car for a test drive to compare..or for me to take him for a ride.NO! So i ask him again..if you are so confident in beating me then tell me what your packing..his mod list if your ready for it is:
Cai
exhaust
short shifter
tune
.....and his secret mod was a lightened flywheel making 217whp.

Now im losing interest and just decide to let him be and sit back down and hangout.i told him that those cars struggle to keep up stock for stock with an ls1 or need short gears to pull on one and i have the mods in my sig,and unless he has something else done to it then im not wasting the gas.The next day i see on the local honda forum here that he is talking about how i was too scared to run his s2k and that v8 guys are all show and no go.

So im wondering if its worth my time to race this kid,loser fills the winners tank on empty with premium.

Thirdgenlove

If he is gonna fillnthe tanks then run him. I had a huge debate With a close friend about stock for stock a trans am vs his mommys s2k , I got to the point where I had to break it down for him hp:weight in each vehicle plus explained gears to him, with what you have I don't see any reason you shouldn't beat him

midias

Go for it in general most stock S2000 can only pull between a 13.8-14.0 stock

Carlos773

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Rip him a new one. Take Videos too. I ran one in my new GTP and it bearly pulled away. You are gonna murder him.

J91

Run him for $$$$, when he loses, maybe he'll learn to be quiet....

92firebird 305

beat him very badly i got a 92 firebird and there a guy that comes to my job and brags about his s2000 stock and says well i got 240 hp at the crank i dont know how much tq but it cant be much. He wants to race my firebird to i keep telling him its a waste of my time imy firebird is a 305 tbi with a 3.42 posi disk rearend im puting down 202 hp and 268 tq im pretty sure i could beat him to maybe not off the line but after 35 mph or so i get him .

Andrew James

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Depends, if he is driving stick, it can compensate for alot of things.

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midias

All S2000s are stick 6 speed RWD

Thirdgen89GTA

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People who buy S2k's and then try to drag race are idiots. The car was intended to be an Auto-X or Circuit bound street car. Its not a full out track day car, but its got enough goods that in stock form they are fun to whip around the course.

The braking and cornering surpass a factory stock non-1LE thirdgen. The only cars that will come close would be 5spd 1LEs in tiptop shape. The 1LE's better brakes, and lighter weight as compared to a non-1LE car would allow it to compete on much more even territory.

Can an S2k make power? Yes, but in stock trim they don't really gain much from bolt-ons, they are pretty much maxed out in that regards as Honda wanted to get as much power as possible out of the I4 engine. Usually not without more extensive mods, or power adders of some kind.

CanaryYellowZ28

Those cars are a joke for dig/roll racing. I was trying to pick a fight with an M3 and a kid in an S2k with pillar gauges, stickers, hella flushed to hell and fart can comes up. Guy riding with him makes a motion saying "50" and "3 honks". I oblige. Couldn't hear a damn thing over my car so i miss the honks and he gets the hit. I just walked away from him. The look on the guy's face was great. It was one of those "damn I just got beat with one of my friends in the car". Probably at most he had exhaust and tune or something similar. I have bolt ons and 3.73's, but i'm pretty sure mine stock would still walk him. Take his money and humble another cocky young kid.

Andrew James

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Didn't know about the stick. Never cared for a S2K anyhow.

86White_T/A305

ha yea im really not worried about this s2k.so apparently other ppl have told him that he shouldnt try running against my car let alone had no chance beating the cars he mentioned with his mods and he was laughed at harshly on the honda forums.so im going to try and keep an eye out for him and try to pick a bone and see if he bites but from what i hear..hes backing down.

danziger

You really have to flog a S2K to get any speed out of them and also have to know how to row a stick very well. Most kids can't/don't want to extract the full performance potential WAY up in the RPMs and then are mortified when the car ends up being dog-slow.

Insofar as a S2K in a drag with a LS1 F-body? Unless the LS1 is seriously broken, it will be a beating...

midias

Yea just watch out for some of those LS2000s They are just awesome

fly89gta

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You're kidding right?

Exactly

budfreak1

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Those S2K's only run low 14's stock, so no worries about an LS1 with mods. Go smash him real quick and be done with it. You'll feel better for it, trust me lol.

freestylzz

Yeah, LS1 over an S2K in most circumstances. I'd even run one in a modded LB9 305 with a 5 speed any day.

LS1? Shhhhh..........

budfreak1

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Yep, I wouldn't back down from one in my GTA lol.

danziger

S2Ks will go low 14s, but only if you are willing to wring its neck. The later models with the bump in displacement are a little better in this regard...

InfernalVortex

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I'd LOVE to see this thread, you mind posting a link? Or PM'ing it? Dont worry Im not the trashtalking forum war type, just curious to see how people on the other side perceive us behind "closed doors".

transamws6

I saw a bmw 745 li with ls1 engine once in atlanta nd it was a company car for a import magazine company it was at a auto show i thought that was sick

86White_T/A305

lol i wish i could find the thread but most of them found him to be blowing smoke up his own tail and agreed he would lose..badly and he stopped replying rather quick from what i recall.no one has seen him since then aswell at the weekly meets.you know its bad when your own crowd rips you a knew one for talking trash without being able to back it up.

Hawk92z-TDZ

Oh Bob, you know he ripped you a new one..... in his dreams

rarebmx

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Pretty sure the s2K ONLY comes in manuals - no automatics made or offered.

midias

Yup honda knew autos suck *****

I think thats why if you ordered an auto NSX they took away about 40 hp

Thirdgen89GTA

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Some of the auto's in recent Honda's are single clutch manumantics. Aka, hydrualically operated manuals that end up being auto's.

If you hear a honda whine in reverse then its got one of them.

Rarebmx is also correct and I think it has been posted earlier in the thread.

S2k's are all manual, Auto isn't an option. Which is what i think they should do for ALL sports cars. No auto's, learn to drive stick or GTFO.

midias

Yea they are pushing the cluched auto a bit. They even have a dual clutch auto option for my VFR. But I went for the 6 speed

Thirdgen89GTA

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I don't look forward to having one of those fail. Think a normal auto is expensive to rebuild.......... Single and Double clutch DSGs are EXPENSIVE.

My Daily Driver is a 06' Pontiac G6 GTP with a 6spd manual. Its fun. Wanna go into corner hot? Heel/Toe downshift, then grin because you are in the gear you WANT to be in for that corner. Its about as fast as my old L98 was, its just way harder to get off the line fast. It needs new tires, the stock ones are dry-rotting. Got the $$$ just can't decide which all season tires I want to pay for because the rims are 18x8".

midias

Yea another reason I went six speed. Honda usually makes a great quality bike but their dual clutch setups are very new and I wanted something that had been around for a while. That and I just enjoy shifting but is it fun the VFR has so much power it does not even matter what gear I am in it just goes.

InfernalVortex

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I cant imagine these newfangled 6 and 8 speed automatics will be affordable rebuilds either, without all the fancy fake manual garbage.

I wish I had a place I could practice heel-toe'ing without getting the law after me...

Thirdgen89GTA

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Heel/toe can be practiced on the street. You just can't use quite as much throttle or brake because you aren't braking nearly as hard as you would on a track. But the practice helps.

fly89gta

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The Mercedes 8-speed is almost $6K to rebuild

big hammer

s2k's are massively lame.

Thirdgen89GTA

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I don't think they are. But I think that most of the people who think they are either can't stand a 4cyl, or don't like the type of car that the S2000 is.

Its a weekday roadster intended to see some track time. Its light and well balanced. Yes, the extremely high rev'ing engine does mean the power is found WAY up there, but no more so than the RX7 with their rotary engines. They are fun cars to turn laps with.

Would I buy a S2000? For what you can pay for a use done you can get a C5 Vette in a manual and I could have way more fun with that. But I am not ignorant of what they are.

I've wheeled my G6 GTP around Road America. If my brakes had held out a little longer I might have made it to the 13x MPH area. I had a good 1/4 mile left when I was letting off the gas to keep the speeds down to help the brakes out. I was still cutting through the Kink about 85mph in the wet. If I was going up there again and I didn't have my TransAm I'd certainly track the G6, its a blast. Its a 6spd so the fun meter pegs at max fast. I am buying a set of Hawks HPS pads for the G6 so I can track it if I want too.

I was doing about 100 in the pics below, usually crested the hill about 95mph or so.

mike_c

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I like S2K's. If I had the means, I'd love to own one. Agreed though, anyone trying to drag race one, let alone trash talking obviously faster cars is a ratard. I ran a friend of mine's a few months ago and well...I pulled on him hard off the line in my mostly stock GTA. His had a CAI and catback. We never went from a roll, but roll starts are for pansies anyway.

Blow his doors off and win a tank full of 93.

ol' paddy

i don't get why people hate on stuff just cause it's different.
when i used to auto x my dad's mid engine 283 twin-turbo corvair some riced S2000s were keeping up in times, and even with the lag the corvair had i find that pretty impressive...

the car is good for handling.. not drag racing. sadly they would beat most 3rd gens on autocossing. whereas and ls1 would have no problem dealing with an s2000

Thirdgen89GTA

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4th gens and 3rd gens are about equal. I've found the 3rd gen to be sharper, with less body roll but overall grip is similar.

The LS1 won't do much in an auto-x where power can be difficult to put down. On a larger road course like Road America the LS1 4th gens pull away from S2000 cars fast.

Its kinda like that video of the race prepped Lotus Elise against the C5 Coupe. The Elise is extremely fast in the corners, but on a large track like the 'Ring the Elise just doesn't have enough handling to match the vette's acceleration and top speed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbd0yvBFE7w

EDIT: Doesn't look like the full video, in the full video they hit the main straight after the Elise has spent all that time catching up, and then the vette just disappears into the distance with tons more top end.

ol' paddy

yeah, i meant that in the a standing drag race an ls1 would beat a s2000 easy. i haven't gotten to run my 92 yet but if its close to an s200 ill be happy.

firestein

had an s2k try and run me on the highway, and well I like driving to much to street race especially with local laws on it, they take your car away and sell it if your caught doing 40 over the limit so i waited for the speed limit to jump 20kmh guy had trouble getting up to 100kmh from 80 he walked away with his tail in between his legs, and i only have an l98 700r4 with a flowmaster catback, he may have 240 crank hp but he only has 160 lbs ft at best