Daz

iTrader: (1)

I just talked to Rod from Hardcore Hotrods..

SFC's are $350 installed (probably cheaper if its a groupo purchase)

Its his own design..Its made of one piece tubing mandrel bent to tie the front subframe to the rocker/body(tack welded) then back to the rear subframe..This is how he described it..I dont need it but some of you might

Daz

johnyIROC

Sounds like a good design... alot of the other versions don't actually tie the two frame rails together. I would love to see some pictures of his design.

Why don't you need SFCs?

Daz

iTrader: (1)

I already have them.Its just so happen that I was already talking to him I figure might as well ask him about it..BTW he said that it would be NHRA compliant..like the cages that he custom makes

Daz

George

Where's Fenwick and if it's in the middle of nowhere about how far is that from Toronto.

Daz

iTrader: (1)

Its close to Lincoln..off Hwy24 from the QEW(past Grimsby)It takes me an hour to get there from Mississauga..

Daz

Cruzin Kaz

Ah just around the bend from me. Well about 15 minutes away...I have checked ou the site. F-bird88 recommended him too. So he does roll cages does he. Hmmm may have to pay them a visit.

85_ZED28

I am very interested! what is the website?

Cruzin Kaz

Here ya go. You are as close as I am. Hardcore Hotrods

easySPEEDcamaro

not to intrude but

the guy who installed my sfcs builds drag cars for a living too... you should see his shop....

anyhow he was telling me how he charges around $300 to make sfcs weld them in, the whole nine yards...

if anybody is interested i can dig up the number...

George

Alex:

I'm assuming you got yours done around here somewhere - can you post the number or even just the name of the shop.

Thanx

RegaPlanet

yea some pics and dimensions of the tubing used would be great!

88redxtsy

GUYS GUYS GUYS!!!!!!

I've talked to DAZ and this guy ROD at Hardcore. From what I've been explained this is good qualtiy stuff. As much as I would love to see pictures, he said he dosen't have any. No time to bother with pictures. He deals with guys heavy in the racing game and he is very well trusted with his opinions and ideas. In terms of price, if a group of at least 5 of us confirm to go he will give us a better rate. Also, this will get done while we wait. He said for each car it will be slightly different due exaust systems we have. Either way, he knows what he's saying and doing! The material he said he was going to use was alot stronger than other SFC. NHRA APPROVED and COMPLIANT!!! This guy races for a living running under 9 seconds!

So come on and let's get to it!!

I'm in, so I'm one! Who else! Race season is coming and we need to act and not talk. Besides, I can't let this oppotunity pass me by. I'm tight on funds but this is a good investment for my car.

$350 installed, same day service. Come on people, we've been dragging this SFC issue to long.

Sorry to sound like this but I really do want this to work out for us and myself. I've been waiting for over a year and a half for a good deal like this.

George

Yeah - you're right about that.

The only way I could do it though would be if the install was done on a Saturday.

Also, I just dropped a lot of money into my car and I'm not sure I can afford subs just now so I'll see how this goes maybe in month or so - hard to say. If I just had the money that people owe me it'd be no problem.

RegaPlanet

not be a stickler but I still want to know what material will be used and the intermediate dimesions at least. Could probably get the Spohn SFC's to my door for ~$325 and I could weld them no problem myself but a custom setup would be nice. I'm just asking a logical question anyone else should and would ask.

88redxtsy

This will be set for a Saturday for sure.

As for dimension's, sorry I forgot to post that. He did mention the material he would be using and the thickness of it. I can't remember that part. I'm sure Daz can post that info since I heard it from him.

But that's why I'm sold on it simply because it going to be built solid.

This won't happen right away. Let's try and set this for sometime in April, May the latest.

There's no limit in numbers. But we do have to limit the groups to 5 a session.

Let's get some confirmations here!!

RegaPlanet

I want some bad... I dont even know if I can wait till april hahaaha... hook us up with the info Daz!!!!!!!!

88redxtsy

The sfc will be made of .125 gauge. For those who this makes sense to??? From what I was explained, this means that it will be firm and solid!

Cruzin Kaz

James! Did you make a trip to the shop, or just talk to Rod on the phone??? You had mentioned to me about the GN with the Roll cage and stuff. I will really have to make a trip there soon! Cause I would love to get a 6 point cage in the SS to firm her up some. I've got some LCA from a 89 Iroc coming that I am going to pipe and box and also box my uppers too. Then all I need is a good posi still. Need Traction bad!!!!! LOL! Well, I will need some slicks too. Should be a fun year this year. I am pretty sure I've gotten most of the bugs out of the car now so... I can only hope! I haven't taken her out really yet.

D's89IROCZ

I have to know a little more . I could make my own but ...... it would be a PITA . 350 sounds too high for these ....especially when they are " tack" welded in . It's not like the welding is the hard part . I guess you are paying for the equiptment needed to do this . Sphoon is close to the same thing ( $$$ ) so I am mixed on the subject

I gotta hear more thanx

Dan


PS .....1/8 " tubeing sounds WAY to thin for my tastes anyways ....... that is about as thick as 2 quarters . But the competition could be the same I dunno . also I gotta know what this metal is " exactly" so I can look it up . I ran into a guy in Woodstock who sells 3" exausts ( stainless steel ) for 300 bucks but .....it was a different grade of stainless .So .......if this info isn't accesable ...I don't want them Thanx though

RegaPlanet

I think the spohn SFC's might be even thinner....

I take it the .120" is the thickness???

Anyone know the material used and grade? If not I'll email

D's89IROCZ

thanx for the heads up I am not sure of the grade ......

.120 eh ..... you would think you want to be a little thigker ....just incase no ???? sure weight is an issue but ..... " where's the beaf"

RegaPlanet

hard to say if its enough... I mean cause it is tubular it is a very strong design to begin with and really how thick do you think the actual frame rails on the car are??? I'm not actually sure, more asking

Daz

iTrader: (1)

I didnt quite describe it right..The tubes go under the body's "tack welds"..The conversation was very quick..its one of those "By the way"conversations..IIRC its made out of chromemoly tubing..One of the reason its expensive according to him is that he has to rent a tube bender(mandrel)so a group purchase might make the price really low..I talked to him in person and sketched me the design..I dunno if its .125 or 1.25" of whatever material it is.Im just passing along our conversation

Daz

RegaPlanet

If its chromemoly tubing Im sold. You cant beat this setup!!!!!!

RegaPlanet

Hey Daz do you think you could sketch your own rendition of the design or just say if its like the Spohn design or whatever???

Slade1

I can use a set in late April... my car's going in for touch up (stress cracks repair) in May so I'm good for April.

Paul_Hughes_87 T/A

your floor pan is only 3mm thick and your body panels are 2mm the subframe on the car is about 2.5mm thick but is shaped something like this: \_/. 1/8th of an inch is equal to .125" and is the same as 3mm so if these tubes are 1/8 of an inch thick they will be really strong and will hold up. If you guys seen the sheet metal that is used to make your frames and floor and how thin it is you would $hit yourselves. I see it at work all the time and what gives it the strenght is the shape not the thickness.

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We are buliding the Dies for hat car at work now and the reinforcment panels are only 2mm thick

Hope I made some sense

Paul

Hawk92z-TDZ

I'd have to look it up but I beleive chromemoly is 4140 grade steel, which equals pretty strong stuff.

RegaPlanet

yea chromemoly in tubular form is super strong and lighter than steel also. It's the choice material for any roll-cage design.

Slade1

Chromeoly is what my 1.6 rocker arms are made of... damn good stuff...

88redxtsy

THANK YOU PAUL!

Anyway just to clear things up...

$350 is not alot of money. This includes materials, install and custom fit to each of our cars. Material, as stated by Daz and backed up by others, is good quality. They are welded in solid and not TACK welded. Paul gave a very good explanation as to how solid the tubing is compared to metal used to build our cars.

Spohn sells theirs for $189 U.S.

Now just for arguments sake lets say the conversion is 50% which equals to $95. Total Canadian is $285 CAN before our Taxes. Total after taxes is $327.75. Not including the fees for brokarage, shipping and anything else after it crosses the border and gets to our door. The total will be well over $350 easliy not including installation.

So....$350 Canadian total for a custum, heavy duty SFC or Sphons or other aftermarket SFC's for the same price NOT including inastallation.

Chrome Molly, .125 tubing, Mandrel Bent, $350 or less if we come as a group. Picture the design as half an oval. I need to scketch a picture. Starts at the front sub frame, comes out to the side of the car, down towards the rear and curves in again. Something like what Paul sketched below but turn it side ways.

So now we know it's strong enough, heavy duty, and good quality. All we need is some confirmations.

Kaz....I asked him about roll cages and he told me had an olds that I could look at that he had done.

Sorry if I'm coming off strong BUT I think we finally found ourselves what we have been looking for a long time and I truly believe the price is right. Group purchase or not, I'm going. That's final. Who's coming with me?????

Please post here!! We'll start planning. I don't have time to waste nor let this opportunity pass me, US, by.

Thanks

Love

James

Cruzin Kaz

I agree! And well said James! Lets figure it out. I obviously don't need SFC but a roll cage. He will already have the tube bender on site, so....I think I will call him and see what he needs for it. The bad thing is I can't afford it right at this moment. Maybe in a month or so. But not now. I know a 6 p0int cage will cost between $400-800 so...

RegaPlanet

is it not full tubing? like is it crescent shaped or something?

is it () or just ) ???

D's89IROCZ

now I am confused

Daz

iTrader: (1)

I think its more like this [ ] except that ends are more diagonal..Its one solid tubing per side...Too bad I cant draw

Daz

RegaPlanet

hahaha this is soo confusing... so its two halves that make a whole??? haha Im sry. Just confused. So its not a solid made tube its two halves welded together? or does one solid tubing per side refer to each side of the car? It's really ridiculous how the internet is so hard to get things across sometimes. I apologise if Im driving you nuts

85_ZED28

I'm in! Lets get organized!

Daz

iTrader: (1)

Its one tubing for each side of the car

DAz

RegaPlanet

ok then, count me in also! Yes, this is my final answer. Yes, I am cheesy sometimes

88redxtsy

Great!! Let's count:

88redxtsy - SFC
Cruzin Kaz - Roll Cage
RegaPlanet - SFC
85_Zed28 - SFC

Anyone else!!!! This will be set up for late April. SLADE1.....where are you!! I think you need this done before your touch up.

NTChrist

Sounds like you guys are getting a good deal, congrats!

I'm not in on the GP but I want to point something out. There's a lot of talk about the Spohn SFC's, and I want to point out that the Spohns are a much better design than any tubular SFC could be.
The Spohns, when installed, are fully welded down the entire length of the connector.
Here's how Spohn's website puts it: "The main shaft is formed to fit the contour of the floor board, providing for weld contact area the entire length of the frame shaft, and no ground clearance loss."
This will make your car into a full-frame car, as the SFC's are totally welded to the floorpan. Tubular SFC's are just "point to point" connectors.

Just wanted to clear the differences up.

88redxtsy

Not to start anything, but, to say Sphon is the best in SFC design is very ridiculous and bold. I do beg to differ but I don't feel like wasting my time discussing it or even arguing about it. Those who have confirmed will not be disappointed, guaranteed. I will be doing my car first. The others can watch, in awe, and decide for themselves if they wish to back out. Which they won't.

Thanks

88redxtsy

Anyone else wish to comment? Not to be smart but I do want to hear your opinions by all means please. Acceld Z, Trigger, Slade......any input would be grateful.

Thanks again

Daz

iTrader: (1)

I thought Spohn's are tubular now(I have the old version)Either way I dont see it being difficult to weld the whole length of the tube to the floor/frame..I think the main difference is that Spohn has two pieces per side in which a smaller pipe gets welded on the main connector(same as my SFC) vs. the one piece design by Rod.I like the Spohn myself except I have to cut the front of the connector to clear my SLP y-pipe.

Daz

NTChrist

I never said SpOHn is the best. Read it again.

I also never wanted to start a flame war. I guess I'll just "watch, in awe."

RegaPlanet

IMO no SFC design that we need to have on our cars for street use need be technical. I mean all these sfc's are just simple tubular rods bent to fit the underbody of the car. It's not like we're installing them... doing stress testing and altering the designs for maximum efficiency or osmething. I mean I feel stupid paying $300 period for someone to weld some tubular anything to my car when I feel like I could do it myself. HOWEVER, it is a little harder than it sounds and its worth my money, more than my time, to have someone else with all the PROPER tools, aka a lift, do it for me. So any chromeoly design that can be welded the entire length of its installation is more than adequate to me. As for the actual design its simple for anyone to figure out really. I'm still in.

hardcore

hi daz
these sfc are 1.75 dom seemless .120 wall this is what nhra and ihra use for roll bar tubing, the design is close to the spohn sfc and can be made of crome molly 4140 tubing what ever you would like

RegaPlanet

Hardcore, would you be the fabricator and installer?

hardcore

yes

RegaPlanet

Hardcore, I look forward to coming to see what you can do with our ginuea pig 88redxtsy and his car. And then hopefully following in his footsteps. Was 5 cars in a day approx what you think you would like to handle in a day or ??? I believe it was suggested earlier that you would do 5 cars in a day or something and offer some kinda discount if we set seomthing like this up with you.

F-BIRD'88

5 a day eh!! ?

2 cars at once would be a very full day