StealthRam dyno data.
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StealthRam dyno data.
Baseline run, showing pig rich ~10:1 air:fuel ratio at the wideband O2 sensor:
290.1 hp @ 5400rpm
324.5 lb/ft @ 4300rpm
Best run after tuning to ~12.9:1 air:fuel ratio:
306.2hp @ 5300rpm
335.6 lb/ft @ 4300rpm
For comparison, previous best run with the modded TPI setup:
287.5 @ 4500 RPM
367.5 @ 3300 RPM
Definitely some extra power in there, my compliments to Holley on a great new product.
290.1 hp @ 5400rpm
324.5 lb/ft @ 4300rpm
Best run after tuning to ~12.9:1 air:fuel ratio:
306.2hp @ 5300rpm
335.6 lb/ft @ 4300rpm
For comparison, previous best run with the modded TPI setup:
287.5 @ 4500 RPM
367.5 @ 3300 RPM
Definitely some extra power in there, my compliments to Holley on a great new product.
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Hmm, will be interesting to see if you actually improve your 1/4 time or not, HP is actually down pretty good until the TPI system peaks at 4700rpm ish. Should be really interesting, thanks for the dynos.
BTW, the GMPP H.O. heads you mention are Al L98 Vette heads right?
Oh yeah, what exactly kinda tuning were you doing on the dyno, just AFPR tweaks or do you have DFI of some kind?
What are your initial seat of the pants feeling, car overall feel quicker, slower, what?
BTW, the GMPP H.O. heads you mention are Al L98 Vette heads right?
Oh yeah, what exactly kinda tuning were you doing on the dyno, just AFPR tweaks or do you have DFI of some kind?
What are your initial seat of the pants feeling, car overall feel quicker, slower, what?
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Car: 94 Z28
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Wonder if it needs some more tuning, I was a little shocked by the only 20 hp gain as well with this engine setup.
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Re: StealthRam dyno data.
Originally posted by kevinc
Baseline run, showing pig rich ~10:1 air:fuel ratio at the wideband O2 sensor:
290.1 hp @ 5400rpm
324.5 lb/ft @ 4300rpm
Best run after tuning to ~12.9:1 air:fuel ratio:
306.2hp @ 5300rpm
335.6 lb/ft @ 4300rpm
For comparison, previous best run with the modded TPI setup:
287.5 @ 4500 RPM
367.5 @ 3300 RPM
Definitely some extra power in there, my compliments to Holley on a great new product.
Baseline run, showing pig rich ~10:1 air:fuel ratio at the wideband O2 sensor:
290.1 hp @ 5400rpm
324.5 lb/ft @ 4300rpm
Best run after tuning to ~12.9:1 air:fuel ratio:
306.2hp @ 5300rpm
335.6 lb/ft @ 4300rpm
For comparison, previous best run with the modded TPI setup:
287.5 @ 4500 RPM
367.5 @ 3300 RPM
Definitely some extra power in there, my compliments to Holley on a great new product.
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yea thats what i was thinking...it kinda makes me wanna stick with a ltr setup for the torque..is care less about 20 horse id take that 30ft pounds n e day of the week
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id love to look at the curve but there isnt a graph....tpi and the stealthram both make a pretty flat torque curve but id still take the tpi torque
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Something does not make sense though. His Tq figures seem incorrect. I have seen a few dyno tests with stealth rams and not one of them lost as much tq as he did so early. This is very wierd.
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Car: 1982 Z28
Engine: LS1
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The only thing that changed from LTR to Stealth was the intake. We started out very rich as mentioned, ended up close to 12.8:1 air:fuel and made 302hp. That last run the engine got up to 240degF and the wideband data shows lean, but it picked up 4hp. Go figure.
The heads are GMPP aluminum L98 heads, straight out of the box with no porting or polishing.
Bear in mind my LTR setup wasn't stock. 52mm TB, Accel SR base, hogged out plenum and runners were making good power.
The heads are GMPP aluminum L98 heads, straight out of the box with no porting or polishing.
Bear in mind my LTR setup wasn't stock. 52mm TB, Accel SR base, hogged out plenum and runners were making good power.
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Car: 1982 Z28
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Originally posted by Ray87Z
Hmm, will be interesting to see if you actually improve your 1/4 time or not, HP is actually down pretty good until the TPI system peaks at 4700rpm ish. Should be really interesting, thanks for the dynos.
BTW, the GMPP H.O. heads you mention are Al L98 Vette heads right?
Oh yeah, what exactly kinda tuning were you doing on the dyno, just AFPR tweaks or do you have DFI of some kind?
What are your initial seat of the pants feeling, car overall feel quicker, slower, what?
Hmm, will be interesting to see if you actually improve your 1/4 time or not, HP is actually down pretty good until the TPI system peaks at 4700rpm ish. Should be really interesting, thanks for the dynos.
BTW, the GMPP H.O. heads you mention are Al L98 Vette heads right?
Oh yeah, what exactly kinda tuning were you doing on the dyno, just AFPR tweaks or do you have DFI of some kind?
What are your initial seat of the pants feeling, car overall feel quicker, slower, what?
The Vette heads were bolted on straight from the box after cleaning, no porting or polishing. This was a mistake and is most likely the bottleneck in my induction/exhaust systems. I'm happy with the power both my LTR and Stealth Ram make, but know the Stealth has more potential than my 163cc intake runner heads can use.
The stealth definitely felt stronger above 4000rpm and the dyno tells the story between 4800-5600. I'm having trouble keeping my engine cool during hot restarts and this started after the Stealth went on. Most likely a steam pocket forming in one of the heads...after a hot restart the temp shoots up to ~240deg, then falls back to ~190degF after a "burp" into the reservoir tank. As long as the engine's running, it's fine.
For now, the LTR will go back on. I'll likely upgrade heads after this season, at which time I'll add a rear coolant crossover to the Stealth just to make sure this problem is killed. It's a great intake, made good power, can't wait to see it with a set of AFR 190 heads under it!
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Thanks for the graphs Kevin. I did some analyzing of the graphs you gave and came up with some average torque and power results which might surprise you.
tpi torque 334 power 252
stealth torque 316 power 237
This is not exact calculations because I don't have the software to analyze the data here, but it should be somewhat close. These figures are from 2200 to 5600rpms.
tpi torque 334 power 252
stealth torque 316 power 237
This is not exact calculations because I don't have the software to analyze the data here, but it should be somewhat close. These figures are from 2200 to 5600rpms.
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Originally posted by kevinc
Baseline run, showing pig rich ~10:1 air:fuel ratio at the wideband O2 sensor:
290.1 hp @ 5400rpm
324.5 lb/ft @ 4300rpm
Best run after tuning to ~12.9:1 air:fuel ratio:
306.2hp @ 5300rpm
335.6 lb/ft @ 4300rpm
For comparison, previous best run with the modded TPI setup:
287.5 @ 4500 RPM
367.5 @ 3300 RPM
Definitely some extra power in there, my compliments to Holley on a great new product.
Baseline run, showing pig rich ~10:1 air:fuel ratio at the wideband O2 sensor:
290.1 hp @ 5400rpm
324.5 lb/ft @ 4300rpm
Best run after tuning to ~12.9:1 air:fuel ratio:
306.2hp @ 5300rpm
335.6 lb/ft @ 4300rpm
For comparison, previous best run with the modded TPI setup:
287.5 @ 4500 RPM
367.5 @ 3300 RPM
Definitely some extra power in there, my compliments to Holley on a great new product.
Also, did you try different Spark Advance?
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The engine was running ~240degF on the run I posted...made more torque at the hotter temp but the same fuel table ran lean as the WB-O2 data shows.
We did 11 dyno pulls in all, the last three were all in the 302-306hp range and I was working on fine-tuning the PE table.
We did 11 dyno pulls in all, the last three were all in the 302-306hp range and I was working on fine-tuning the PE table.
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Originally posted by cobrakiller1989
what cam are you running in your car? im just wondering if it is more suited for the TPI or SR or maybe about even
what cam are you running in your car? im just wondering if it is more suited for the TPI or SR or maybe about even
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Go bigger. I'm going with at least a 232 for my SR.
Go bigger. I'm going with at least a 232 for my SR.
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I'm running a compcam 224/230 cam with my stealth ram and could wish for a better cam. It idles a little rough, really starts to pull about 3000 rpm and i shift about 6300-6400. Also gets good gas mileage.
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Transmission: TH700R4, 4200 stall
Axle/Gears: 9", 4.33:1
Interesting..... I would have to bet that those POS Edelbrock headers aren't helping you any either..... I also noted the 13.9 AFR...... hmmm....... Seems to be more on tap.
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Well, I've been on both ends with a fully-siamesed setup on mine currectly and a true LTR on it before that. The huge rush of low end torque was nothing but a liability when it came to actually trying to race (or come out of corners). I mean, I won't deny that it was a total blast to be able to just smoke the tires whenever I felt like it and all, but the broader power band is the way to go, hands down.
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I created a new graph from two of Kevin's to really show the difference between the two setups. The HSR really flattens out the powerband, and definately pulls a lot harder up top. I like the shape of this curve much better.
And, just for comparision, here's Kevin's HSR plotted against a friend of mines stock '02 SS. These are very similar.
And, just for comparision, here's Kevin's HSR plotted against a friend of mines stock '02 SS. These are very similar.
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So in theory, the HSR falls in between the Miniram and SuperRam as far as power curve signatures go? From what I remember, it's runner length is similar to the LS1. I'm also surprised that none of the HSR owners have been contouring the walls of the runners where they meet at the top. I don't know if that flat section is very condusive to air flow.
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A 232 cam (if we are talking hydraulic roller) is way too big for the Stealth Ram and a 350. I am running a 230 cam with my 350 MiniRam setup and it borders on being big. A great cam for the stealth ram and a 350 would be a 224 cam. Maybe the CC 224/230 cam? IMHO, anything much bigger than that will be out of the Stealth Ram's powerband.
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A 232 cam (if we are talking hydraulic roller) is way too big for the Stealth Ram and a 350. I am running a 230 cam with my 350 MiniRam setup and it borders on being big. A great cam for the stealth ram and a 350 would be a 224 cam. Maybe the CC 224/230 cam? IMHO, anything much bigger than that will be out of the Stealth Ram's powerband.
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Originally posted by Matt87GTA
Interesting..... I would have to bet that those POS Edelbrock headers aren't helping you any either..... I also noted the 13.9 AFR...... hmmm....... Seems to be more on tap.
Interesting..... I would have to bet that those POS Edelbrock headers aren't helping you any either..... I also noted the 13.9 AFR...... hmmm....... Seems to be more on tap.
Take a look at the 405hp GM is making with the Z06 engine using nasty-looking header-like manifolds. Unequal length, shorter primaries than most headers, etc. Good heads, good intake tract, the right cam, good downstream exhaust flow, and good software making righteous power.
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Originally posted by Acceld Z
I'm also surprised that none of the HSR owners have been contouring the walls of the runners where they meet at the top.
I'm also surprised that none of the HSR owners have been contouring the walls of the runners where they meet at the top.
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Just to add some info on the stealth ram i had mine flowed. It flowed 350 cfm!!! All I did was port match it to a 1256 felpro. whcih matches am afr 190cc head.
I am very curious to see what mine is going to do. Mine should be done in about 3 weeks. 355cid, balanced, forged 9.82:1 comp, afr 190s, stealth ram, comp cam 224-230 dur 533-540 lift. headman 1 5/8 headers, 2800 10in stall. Custom prom by Dave Emanuel. I am hopping for some 12.50s all motor and mid 11's with the 150 shot...
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I am very curious to see what mine is going to do. Mine should be done in about 3 weeks. 355cid, balanced, forged 9.82:1 comp, afr 190s, stealth ram, comp cam 224-230 dur 533-540 lift. headman 1 5/8 headers, 2800 10in stall. Custom prom by Dave Emanuel. I am hopping for some 12.50s all motor and mid 11's with the 150 shot...
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