Quote: Originally Posted by 3rdgenZ i count about 3 more possible people on this thread that need to post on the other thread. that would be 8 and counting So did I and took the time to email all of them! I ain't lettin' no one off the hook on this one. We need definitive confirmation on who can make it on this one.

I'm not posting until I know for sure...which should be in the next 2 days or so.

cool. (no rush, we have two weeks. well 1 and 6/7.) i hope you can do this one.

Me too...I have some ZR1 wheels on Ebay that are 2 days away from ending, and just shy of the reserve price...so it should work out.

Just out of curiosity, what is wrong with the SLP runners? The Vette forum guys seem to like them (or so I thought), and I was originally planning to buy a set of those, but over here it seems they are not liked. I am buying my new intake setup piece by piece and already picked up a siamesed and ported plenum, so the runners are next on the list regardless...I was just curious. Any idea? They "look" like they'd be easy to match to a siamesed plenum, but me being an OLD Chevy guy, then for the last 12 years or so, a blower and/or nitrous 5.0 Mustang guy, then (2 months ago) back to being a Chevy guy and trying to jump back in to cheap HP...I'm a little behind the times yet, lol.

well the thing is that the SLP runner CAN be made into a beast. but i takes a lot of porting and adding metal to make them good, well great. the AS&Ms for most of us are nice because they look stock, and they flow (as you can see) really great out of the box. so you spend $333 on the SLPs and then port them (so add about another $200,unless you do it yourself) or you can get these for 350 and never have to touch your runners again.

im a maybe
scraping cash up as i speak
i hate using that word maybe
for this price im not going to pass it up if i can help it
will look good on 383 stroker in the silverado (project in the works)going slow

Hey, I think I would be interested in these runners as well. Do you guys know if where I could get the plenum as well? I would say I'm 90% sure. Could you update me on whats going on exactly? Sorry i was too lazy to read the entire thread. Oh and I would be interested in the 85 to 88 version.

Thanks Alot,
Thomas

Hey guys, I’m surprised I heard back from fasttoys on the polishing options so fast. They said they asked ASM about this and it’s a time consuming process. So there’s no discount for polishing. I’m taking it as ASM will offer polishing services to anyone interested. They have it listed as $150 bucks on there website. 1985-1992 Large Tube Intake Runners Now don’t quote me on this price as you may want to talk directly with fasttoys or ASM if you want polishing done. I’m sticking with the standard fine, and polishing them myself. You can’t beat the gp price on the runners, save the extra for another mod.

Here’s a copy of the email from fasttoys.

Chuck,

ASM doesn't offer any discount on the polishing option. They told us it is very time consuming.

Thanks

Fast Toys Performance

fasttoys.net, thats the place. were geting them from.350+ shipping (sticker price is 415) thats the price. we have untel the 15th to gather 10 or more people to order tho.
there is a link on the bottom of 2and page of the post that you can see for confurming that your in.

Even though I have ported a half dozen or so intake manifolds for my previous cars, that sounds like a non cost effective no-brainer to me.

Thanks for the info/reply.

What is also cool about these runners, is the fact that they look stock. So only the cool-eye will be able to spot these. Obviously they're bigger but they still look like spider legs

I'll prolly end up painting mine at some point. I like the custom look...

There's nothing "wrong" with SLP runners per say. If you don't mind the non "stock" looking design and are just looking for a nice cost-effective upgrade to pick up a few extra horses on your daily driver, they're a great choice. They're the most affordable runners on the market and alot of people love the way they look.

But, as with any "performance" part on the market,you're going to have multiple companies making their version of the same part. The performace gains, fit, finish and overall quality will vary from company to company (obviously) based on the needs/wants of the audience that product is being targeted to.

Companies don't all taget the same demographic, as everybody wants somthing different.

On the one hand, you've got enthuists who are on a strict budget, or may just be looking for a simple upgrade they'll get a few extra hp out of. If these are the customers you want to attract, you're NOT going to build a super expensive, maximum performance part, because that's NOT what those people are interested in, or willing to spend that much money on.

On the other end of spectum, you have guy's who want nothing but the best and are willing to pay the high price tags (whether they can afford it or not )

On the subject of runners, the SLP's are basically the "entry level" runner upgrade for TPI cars, as they're not only the most affordable alternative, but also the most easily accessable (you can find them at any online performance shop that sells TPI parts)

They'll flow better than stock and are worth a few extra horses for sure, but weren't really intended to be the best possible alternative for TPI runners, otherwise, they'd flow a lot more and cost nearly twice as much.

The old saying, "you get what you pay for" is completely true.

If you want the best, be prepared to pay for it.....

Some will argue that the SLP's have the potential to be hogged out and ported for even better performance. It's true. They do. There are members of thirdgen.org that have ported the hell out of those things. Some have even gone as far as cutting out holes in the runners themselves, just so that they have more room to port out their insides.

When they're finished, they weld back in the pieces they cut out and slap them back on the car. The end result looks pretty crappy IMO, as most of the people I've seen who've done this, well, let's just say they aren't very aren't very good at welding

It's a lengthy, time consuming process to go that route and a LOT of work, just to get these runners to match the flow #'s of a stock pair of AS&M's. To me anyways, that really seems like a huge waste of time. Maybe I'm the only one who thinks so

The idea of hacking up a brand new part to improve its performance, when I can just spend a couple bucks more and get a better part that flows just as much "out of the box" doesn't make much sense to me. Worse yet, if you don't have the time/patience/knowledge to do all that port work yourself, you're going to have to pay a professional to do it for you and by the time all is said and done, you'd have spend more money than if you'd just gone with the more expensive runners (AS&M/TPIS) in the first place.

So in short, like I said, you get what you pay for. Want the best, be prepared to pay a higher price for the better performing part.

There's nothing wrong with SLP's. They're just targeted at a different group of buyers, that all.

Sorry for the long post. I get carried away sometimes..

Wanted to bump up this thread so hopefully more people could see it. We've already got 3 members who've submitted their orders to FastToys and another 6 who say they WILL place an order sometime from now to the 15th of September. Even if all 6 place their orders, that only equals 9 orders so we're going to need atleast one more.

We're so close to reaching our goal. If there's anybody else who's been thinking of upgrading their runners, now's the time. Don't miss this oppertunity to get BigTube AS&M's for such a low price.

ill be submitting my order this thursday.

ive been watching how things are progressing with the runners deal and im gonna go ahead get a set so that should make 10. and im ordering mine on wednesday when i sell a computer

That's definetely good news. Glad to hear it. Let us know in the "official" thread when you've placed your order.

Thanks man.

Official count thread: http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/gr...e-runners.html (AS&M Big Tube runners - Thread only for the commited ....)

just added my name to the other thread. so if everyone buys them like they say we should be good

I am still in. I am just waiting for payment on some Nitto Drag Radials to verify. There is no way I am going to miss this if I can help it!!

Sorry guys, Ive been in the hospital, I broke my sternum on my bike. I am still interested, this is a hell of a deal. But Ive gotta wait until I get paid on the 13th to see if I'll have enough money since i have been out of work. I know that is pushing it but I will let you know something for sure then.

sorry to hear about that bigseth, hope your doing better.

hopfully well see on the other thread man.

Man, I'm really sorry to here that bro. Don't worry about the runners. They should be the least of your worries right now. Not being able to work is a big deal, so make sure you're able to afford the serious stuff like bills, groceries, insurance etc. etc.

If you can't get in on the runner deal, we'll understand.

Hope you get better soon.

- LT1FUN

sorry to be the inquisitive one, lol...

Last question, hopefully...

What are you guys doing about the LOWER intakes?

I'm referring to the size of the inlets on the lower intake. I "assume" (or at least hope) that they are a bit smaller than the AS&M runners, so what are you guys doing to address that? Are you all removing and port-matching them, or trying to port the whole lowers or what? It definitely is no good having a "wall" that the airflow hits as it would be breezing through my ported plenum and through my big honkin AS&M runners...Just trying to figure if in all this swapping I'll also need to get a spare plenum to prep before the runner/plenum install.

Thanks in advance...

I'll either be getting a new TPIS base or honing out my existing base. If you change one thing, you have to change another.

i myself will just install the runners and later when i have the money iam going to buy the TPIS base and a cam, together.
then i will portmatch.no sence in doing it twice.

but, thats just my case.

I'm not going to do anything to my intake base. Even if I had the know how and experience to port the thing to the very maximum, a ported factory base still wouldn't flow the same #'s as a TPIS or Acell base would. (They're both ported/polished Edelbrock manifolds)

Don't get me wrong, a ported stock base is still 100x better than stock for sure, and give you a real "seat of the pants" improvment over stock aswell, but in my situation, since I've never ported an intake manifold before and I need my car to drive to work in every day, I simply can't afford to have the car out of commission while I "learn" how to port the intake.

Depending on how successful this runner G.P is, I may try and start another one. Next time, for a TPSI big mouth base or possibly an Accell/Lingenfelter base to go along with the AS&M's.

But like said, in my scenario, I don't have the experience in porting an intake manifold and even if I did, it would never perform as good as an aftermarket.

If anyone else knows how to port an intake manifols, and doesn't plan on upgrading it, I say go for it and port the stock piece. It's free horse-power

yeah, I believe I am going to port the lower and blend the runner entries into the lower as well. I'm looking for a stock lower to modify so I can simply swap it all at the same time. Thanks guys. Still waiting on a wheel buyer before I can commit to the GP, but if nothing happens in a few days, I'll just use grocery money or something.

My Z is currently NON op (has been for years lol) but ill see if i cant get a friend to buy a pair.

Man if this is true I would be in. Thats alot of power for the money.

ETA my question below was answered.
Do you have to port the plumen (spell check) to gain those numbers. OR does it REALLY give you 30lbs with just adding runners to a stock L98

You want the plenum openings to be slightly smaller than the runner openings. You want the openings in the intake manifold to be slightly larger than the openings of the runners at that point.

I agree with the above post about the SLP runners out of the box. However like was said above they can be modified to your hearts content. One is to change the runner length to pick up the 3rd harmonic wave at a higher rpm range.