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after a few of use mentioning not to spend money on our cars, and I have kept a fairly good list of mods done on my car, I thought I would start it. Ahem....
Almost had the car 3 years now. I bought it for 450 dollars. Spent 1000 fixing the 700r4, and guessing another 200 on break booster and master cylinder as well as other little things just to put it on the road. Below are the modifications I have done to the car and cost of them. Does not include any sensors, fluids, bolts, gaskets, sealants or anything like that to perform the work. Lets see what we have “invested” shall we….
Engine:
L32 (3.4) 650’ish plus gas, hitch, rented trailer
Auto to T5 Swap 450 trans alone
Polished heads/intake 10
Headjob w/springs 220
1.6 Rockers 50
Fiero Valve Covers 30+gaskets/bolts
LB8 Air Intake 50’ish
Brass Freeze Plugs 20
Taylor 8mm Wires 50
MSD Coil 55
Cardone30-1633Distrib 140??(think more)
ASP Crank Pully 60
V8 Dual Electric Fans 60
180 T-stat 5
High Volume Fuel Pump 70??
ford 19lb injectors 20(think more)
Dynomax 17493 250??
Pacesetter Headers 220+dump+welding
TB Bypass hardline 5
ES Poly Trans Mount 30?
EGR Removed free
Smog Removed 10 (belt)
Total Engine/Trans 2453
What I got from it est 40hp, 50tq, less miles on engine
Suspension:
UBE Panhard 150
34/24Swaybar 30?
ES Poly Endlinks 20
ES Swaybar Mounts 20
KYB-GY2 Struts 150
TDS Vr1 WB 40
Chrome Diff Cover Transferred from old s10
Aluminum Drums 40
Re-inforced LCA's 10
ST Springs (rip off) 110??
Spohn Torque Arm 450?
16x8 S10 Blazer Wheels traded radio system
sz50ep 245/50/zr16 85 (major deal!)
Total Suspension 1165 plus trading
What I got from it better ride and handling, little bit of style
Inside:
Pilot sw801e Wheel 50?
Disabled/Removed SRS FREE!
Radio/Speaker Delete FREE!
Black Head Liner 50 (backboard and cover twice)
Black Sail Panels 20
Black Seatbelts traded
Black Sunvisors 15
Black Carpet traded
Carpet Console 5
Cargo Roll Up 25
O **** Handles traded
Pro 5.0 Shifter 150
Total Inside 315 plus trading
What I got from it slight color change, fixed a few stains and holes, weight reduction
Total Body 400+trade (doesn’t include paint or clear)
What I got from it hood I don’t like anymore, new grill and body bracing.
Have, need to install
SLP LSD 100
3.42 gears 25
Ok, so I have a total of 6100+ in this car. Now if I am to leave work and get hit on the way home. Would I get my 6100 plus labor back? Nope. If I was to sell this car, would I get that? NOPE. Anyone would laugh at it. Do I even think my car is worth this? HELL NO. So why do we do it?
If anyone sees incorrect figure on parts of what they go for, please let me know and I will correct and re-tally it. I know some of these items came from board members or talking to members have mentioned the cost I paid for the part(s).
So how about everyone else?
__________________ 2007 Infinity G35 Sedan
1997 C3500 CCD
91 Camaro RS Vert
old car 91 Camaro RS HDTP 3.4/t5
intake 600$+s&h
headers 175$
throttlebody 50$
centerforce clutch250$
cam 200$
springs 100$
spring retainers 40$
lifters 100$
pushrods 100$
roller rockers 350$
ported and polish heads 800$
conn rods 200$
aluminum pistons 800$
dual x pipe side exit exhaust 600$
3.73 rear(posi) 100$
alum driveshaft 75$
paint job 1800$
new seats 800$
new guages 300$
nitrous 75 shot wet 900
various sensors 700$
new tires 400$
this is all just rough estimates on most of it but you get the idea.
most of this i am still waiting on to get here, but it will be here and mostly done by january 06. some of this will be done cheaper, but those are the estimates as of right now.
all that for about 350 hp
about 280 of that to the rear wheels with a 8,000 redline!!!!!!!
sound far fetched?
wait til i get done and get some slips.
10,260 since august 2002. including oil changes, repairs and accessories, rims, alarm, louvers, 5 sets of tires, bodywork to repair rust, bodywork to repair a light accident, towing, emergencies, and dealership ripoffs, and alot of spare parts.
*edit $ in canadian funds
Last edited by 85berlinetta2.8; 06-16-2005 at 04:36 PM.
I think I'm hovering around $3k, despite all the swaps involved. Buy stuff here, sell stuff there,........... I could probably knock off about $500 in replacement/regular maintenance items alone.
Wow, I never even tried to keep track- in fact, I don't think I want to know. I think my front suspension rebuild alone was around $600 in parts... I don't want to know what the past 11 years have cost!
__________________ -Tom P (Hot rodded 1986 Firebird 2.8l)
I really don't want to think about how much I have spent in the last 14 months. I don't plan on ever selling it, so don't really care how much it costs to maintain. The most expensive part is over for now, getting it running reliably and legal to drive.
I think I'll avoid the list method since nobody is gonna read it anyway. Adding up what receipts I have comes to about $2800 (minimum). That includes buying the car with a reman long block ready to go in. (dead engine was out already)
__________________ Bruce
'87 Camaro, 2.8L, Dynomax Super Turbo muffler, CATCO high flow cat, K&N air filters, 3.42 rear end, 180* thermostat with 200/180 fan switch, Global West Wonderbar, Polyurethane bushings, Spohn Adj. Control Arm 1988 Formulastolen, 1991 Firebird, (sold), Cardomain
gettin started 800 for the car
12 dash... 2- ecm's 100 chasin bugs
tps 19...maf relay..15 .....fuel pump 70....hatch motor 42...
plugs wires cap rotor 60... rear cylinders and shoes 30...
battery 900... from truck I bought haha... all the fluid changes and filters 50... yes everything., oil sensor12...resovior cap 3...
seat covers, floormats 40... head light switch no less than 2- 48..(story here) a/c vents shoot my self 32...hood assit 35..
hatch assit shocks 45...18- dash lights 24...mirrors both 20...
well thats 640 just to get life back in to it so far and dang I still need to finish paying for it .
ok freebie or manual labor stuffff...heat and beat doors so they will line up again no pin kit for this job would solve the prob. remove tint from hatch, paint hatch trim..clean and paint engine compartment... vaccum lines.chase down all wires and test sensors and fuses ,reattach review,a/c knob,lube window rails, glue door panels arm rest
O yea 900 for the battery cuz exhaust valve burnt on truck camaro first yea thats the right priority
800 what was I thinking ...still to do rear end yea that noise was not the muffler bangin round...new set of tires ....and a paint job and which I will do. t-top head liner.etc etc. I know their is tons more to do ...
wow ive spent quite a bit on stereo(700) i just did my brakes(200) new tranny mount and new distributer. thats about it....traded for an slp posi and gears. umm...running a 16.8@78mph. Taking the engine out this summer for a 355. Priceless. 350hp v6......far fetched
What else can you buy for 25K that will compete with what I have built? I would much rather have this then a new POS for 25K that would depreciate to nothing in 5 years and never be anything special.
Car was $300
3.4 was $800
Two tranny jobs $1200
Mufflers are about $200
Cat Convertor was $113
radio was $25
Body parts were about $250 (thank you pick your part!)
Tires are about $200
Shocks/struts $200 or so
Operational R12 AC was $400 (AND IT'S THE BEST THING DONE TO CAR ALSO!!!)
EGR/Belts/Hoses/Sensors/Radiators (yep two!)/timing chain/alternator/heater core...I assume $500 range
Hood prop rod $1! (buy those struts gotta be kidding!)
New front seats-Free
Electric front seat adjustment seat track-free (I sold a 1995 F Body interior for someone & that was my fee)
Brake rotors - Free (THANK YOU DEAN!!!!)
Brake work, hoses, wheel cylinders, labor $200 or so (AND WORTH IT BIG TIME!!!)
Anyone adding for me?
Funniest topic I've seen in days here!
Worth the effort
OH HELL YES!
This car has been most fun project done in long time next to building a motorcycle from boxes!
OH passing smog checks PRICELESS!!!
That will be my Father's Day Present, next to the new bathroom/shower I've built.
exterior/interior
paint job $2000
96 camaro frt seats free
98 camaro center console $75
indiglo white gauges $ 40
white HVAC overlay $ 25
custom int. paint $ 20
stereo
deck $200
subs/amp $200 (family discount, lol)
custom box$125
other speakers, came w/ car
thats all i can think of right now. im sure im forgetting stuff, but there ya go. heres the part thatll scare me.......... the total. let me just add it up a second..........
$8515, holy crap!!!!!!!!!!!!! i never realized. and that doesnt include some other stuff ive bought that never came to be, or has yet to be (P&P heads and intake). some of us are just obcessed, lol........ but thats ok, lol
Interior/Etc.
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Headliner Kit - $300
Door Panels - $135
4th Gen rear seats - $80
Mint Dash Pad - $0 (stripped from my 84)
T-Top weatherstrip kit - $300
Suspension/Chassis
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Shocks all around - $200
Wonderbar - $50
Bushings etc - $50
Total - 2155 + about 800 or so in various labor because of breakdowns
1991 camaro hardtop with 93k miles no options but auto and AC
black with red interior 1200
engine powertrain
tranny lines 100
full new ignition system and timeing chain and full tune up 600
iroc dual snorkle 36 shipped from ebay
starter 100
flowmaster 40 series muffer free
tranny mount 7 bucks lifetime warrenty
oil pressure switch "the super high oil pressure gadge got annoying" 20
exterior
pass side door ground effect 16 shipped
iroc hood blue 10 plus gas so 50
iroc hood black free
iroc hood louvers 40
3rd brake light spoiler 20
drivers side fender 20
foglamp grill 20
miss iroc/z28 logos badges 15
interior
leather interior parts "steering wheel, shifter,ebrake 40
2nd leather wheel free
deluxe saddle leather seats Free
04 corvette bose/monsoon cd headunit free
locking hatch cover free
roadmaster 6x9 and 4x6 speakers 30
Suspension/Chassis
ws6 springs all 4 40
1le sway bars and poly bushings 60
tierod ends 40
Brakes/wheels
rotors/hub pair 20
loaded calipers pair 10
z28 rims from white ghost on here 160 total with gas
tires front 225/55/16 rear 235/55/16 goodyears all around 130
set 2 of z28 rims with 245/50/16 120
2900 or so total on Camaro now with 111k
im sure theres more that im forgetting
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1992 firebird W68 t-top with every option but leather seats 133k
red and tan
300
engine/powertrain
starter 100
exterior
87 formula front bumper 50
both front fenders 50
free spare headlights
85-90 Gta rocker/door groundfx 90
^looking for rear bumper and 1/4 panel parts
82-84 Cowl induction hood 25
interior
02 Trans Am monsoon radio free
t-top bag "GM" 40
total 660 sofar
firebird came with dynomax exhuast rebuilt tranny
and almost no rust
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1989 Camaro Iroc-Z 305 t-top Black with grey interior
13k 4800 (bought for me by my father he still dosnt trust me to drive it much) garage queen with out the garage
btw when i went on my rant in the other topic it was because of people saying there dropping 1000s of dollars into ther car to make 10-20 hp or telling me to buy things that are not made for my car and what not example headers that are not emmissions legal for me
__________________ Red 1991 RS ,C&C t-tops,full leather interior,145 speedo ,brakes 4 wheel PBR disc 12' up front 11.9 rear,engine sd tpi ZZ3 engine
crank underdrive pulley,trans 700r4,alloy driveshaft,rear ten bolt auburn posi 3.23 gears,Edelbrock TES with Flowmaster 80 series muffler,f-41 springs ,soild 36mm front and 24 mm rear swaybars
Last edited by Azrael91966669; 06-21-2005 at 02:55 AM.
250 centerforce clutch
120 tds wonderbar
80 waterpump
50 timing chain
40 spark plugs
500 iroc double stripe rims
100 iroc grid lights
20 armrests
300 deck
30 head lights
250 new rad
500 various sensors,oil, and other such things
200 new seats
50 sway bars
230 sfc's
300 front end brake rebuild
800 front end rebuild suspension
160 rear shocks
200 2 new doors
40 new coil
300 2 new alternators
plus the 1950 to buy the car
total so far
6100
and i still need paint, none of this includes the motor being rebuilt for it right now
Lets not get this thread into what insurance money you have spent, what maintenace money you have spent, or what parts you had to replace how many times.
Its all about what does the car have in it currently as it sits in front of you with those tires, that oilchange, those brake pads, etc... not what you have spent before
***, if we start this I have $100,000 into mine.
if i took my car right now and added up all the money that i SPENT on parts alone with car included, it would be about $7-8k. the amount would be alot more when you add the labor/machining costs into it. prob $10-11k.
car was 2500
dynomax catback 160
cat 100
cai 60
accel 8.8 wires 50
accel coil 50
cap/rotor 15
180 t-stat 15
steering knuckles fixed 160
horn fixed/ fuses so door lock button will work/2 window motors installed 375
4 new tires 280
__________________ Iroc MODS
Air/Fuel- Moddified Holley 650 Dual Feed electric choke vacuum secondary carb, Holley Street dominator high rise intake, mallory 3 port fuel pressure regulator, 14x3 Summit open element air cleaner. 6psi fuel pressure
Ignition- Summit HEI dist, Summit 8.0mm wires. 8 degrees of timing
Exhaust- Hooker 2055 headers and y-pipe, 3" MAC cat delete pipe, 3" Hooker catback
Transmission- S-10 2025 stall torque converter, Superior shift kit w/ vette servo, Energy suspensions mount, B&M super cooler.
Cooling- 180 hi flow mr.gasket thermostat, 195 jet fan switch.
Suspension- UMI tubular non adjustable lower control arms
It started with little things, holley throttle body, jacobs ignition, SLP headers, suspension parts from spohn ect, then t56 6 speed, 12 bolt posi rear, 11-1 custom 302(4.00 bore x 3.00 stroke) made 275 on the tires with the stock tuned port on it. Decided a mini ram would solve my lack of power and found a crack in the block when the intake came off now I am finishing a HD 4 bolt main 355 (no bolts all studs). I am at about $24000, the problem is I am loosing interest. The car is so violent my wife wont get in it anymore, my kids dont fit in the back, and to and from work is getting boring. Whats an old hotrodder to do. (no regrets)
2 new gfx pieces painted $350
tires $400
clear corners $30
cd player free thx to
Silverstar fog lights $40
exhaust $250
so $1070 on "mods"
bout to drop $600 on new shocks/struts
prob another 3k on maintenance and resto/repairs
$250.00 - Initial Purchase of the 1984 Firebird
$40.00 - Doeskin taupe Fabirc to re-cover the dash
$25.00 - New Fuel Pump
$22.00 - Carb Rebuild Kit
$10.00 - Air FIlter
Total - $347.00
This Bird has been sitting in a Neighbors yard since 1996 and I have been staring at it, Twice a day since 1999 thinking about asking about it. July 4th this year I finally did and bought the car dirt cheap. The lady told me it's been sitting there because it has a carb problem. Just before it was left to sit and "rot" her daughter backed into a tree. so it has a wierd bit of rear damage, door damage and fender damage on the left side becuase when she hit the tree it pushed the left side a bit forward.
So after two weekends and one carb rebuild we found the REAL problem, a faulty O2 Sensor. The Mixture Control solenoid isn't opening and closing to allow gas into the bowl as it should. Without the O2S plugged in and lifting the plunger out to allow gas in it starts beautifully. Next week we get a new O2S.
I have to say it was awesome to hear the car start after a few hours of work
(As we didn't do any work other then looking over the car when we first got it, We didn't wanna get it running and then drive away the next day and make the previous owners feel bad it was so easy to fix)
I am estatic about this. I can't wait to get it on the road!
Roughly 20,000. Probably more, denial is a wonderful thing. Can we include sick days and vacation days in our estimates??
Oh yeah, in the last year i don't think i drove it 10 times, now i'm laid up (9weeks so far) i can't even press the clutch pedal. Sadly its all i think about, that and boobs (breasts that is not board members )
Initial purchase of vehicle: $7000 cdn 48148 miles
Safety:
4x new cooper tires $850
Exhaust pipe $175
All new lights $150
Break job $500 (new pads, bleed lines etc)
Major tune up $600
Safety fee $35
Insurance $1800
A/C Compressor replace $675
A/C Recharge/install $275
Bottom end rebuild $2700 57003 miles
Upper end performance rebuilt $5300 76378 miles
Transmission performance rebuild $2400
General Maintenance for 2 years : ~$750
Gas ~$2000
Total
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$25210 Canadian prices suck...
Shoulda bought a 4th gen or went to school to fix it all myself
I was actually stuck at the airport overnight a year or so ago. During that entire night, I added up ALL the items I can remember buying from the DAY I got my first car, to present time (about a year ago).
The total came to about 40 grand.
But that includes the cars...
The cars I currently own are in my SIG, and that 40 grand doesn't include the Pontiac Solstice or the 2002 Crown Victoria. The 2002 Crown Vic I actually inherited from my Grand Father.
The 40 grand also includes the following cars:
1984 Toyota Corolla LE Sedan
1983 Datsun 280ZX 5-Speed
1982 Pontiac TransAm WS6
1976 Chevrolet Camaro LT-350
1983 Volvo 240 Turbo Wagon
1988 Mazda RX-7 Turbo-II
1985 Pontiac Fiero 2m4
1985 Pontiac Fiero GT
1986 Pontiac Fiero SE / V6
1997 Pontiac Grand Am SE Sedan
and a couple of other cars.
I've been driving and buying since 1996.
The Solstice will be my first BRAND NEW car... and my total cost came to just a hair under $24,000.
The next most expensive car I've ever bought was my 1997 Grand Am SE which I got in Aug of 2000. I paid $11,000 for it.
Third most expensive car was my 1997 Grand Am GT which I got in Sept of 2003 for $6500.
Next most expensive was my 87 Fiero which I bought in 1996 for $5,000 with 43k miles on it (now it's got like 160 or something???)
__________________ Todd, @ http://www.PontiacPerformance.Net
2006 Pontiac Solstice
2004 VW Beetle Convertible (Wife's Car)
2002 Ford Crown Victoria LX-P74
1987 Pontiac Fiero SE / V6
1984 Porsche 944
1981 Pontiac Trans Am WS6
1973 Volkswagen Type-2 Transporter
Man, I haven't been on the boards for a while. I have about $6900 (CAD) in receipts for my car plus the $3000 I bought it for in 1998. So for a car that's been pretty reliable for 7 years, I've paid around $10k. Not too bad.