69charger383

I know Pacesetter makes a set but does anyone else??? Also are the pacestters worth buying, is the power gain noticable? Thanks...

Naft

not emissions legal, and yes. the stock manifolds(like almost everything else stock on these engines) are very restrictive.

69charger383

I dont have to worry about emissions.... Does anyone else make headers for the 2.8 V6 tho?

AM91Camaro_RS

nobody else makes headers unless you can find an old set of hookers/hedmans. the pacesetters are emissions legal for 2.8s, not 3.1s.

DeanE

PF&E in Michigan (Performance Fabrication & Engineering, ask for Greg) make them

I have a set custom made from them out of stainless steel and the are also ceraimic coated. Will last forever.

V8 Slayer

Can they make em smog legal for 3.1's?

DeanE

You have to buy Pacesetters with the EO# tag for a smog legal header application- they are the only legal ones.

yupitsdadsbird

how much do them pf&e's run anyway.....I know it's like 250 for the pacesetters........I want all the emissions crapOFF the headers

AM91Camaro_RS

the pf&e ones are expensive! i don't remember the exact price on them but the "custom" part drives the price way up.

dean, i didn't know that you had installed yours! how do you like 'em?

69charger383

Can you buy either the pacesetters or the pf&e ones without the Y-pipe? If I buy headers I'm just gonna do a duel exhaust from the headers back, prolly 2.5 inch into glassies dumping out before the rearend. Any opinions on my setup?

86BLUEBIRD

dont bother. thats way too much flow for that small of an engine. unless you plan on some radical engine upgrades it wont be worth the time and money to fabricate and route all of that. if you still choose to go that route, check on ebay and you may find some old long tube style hedmann or hooker headers to use that dont come with a y-pipe.

69charger383

I am thinking a radical upgrade. Ive started blueprinting an intake for the 2.8 so that we can adapt an Eaton M90 blower. Only problem I'm having is the fuel rail wich has been solved by Doward telling me to get universals, wich really isnt a bad idea. With that much air flowing in I'm gonna need a way to get it out, but I dont just wanna throw that on first. I want my engine to get used to the fact that air is actually flowing through it.

Naft

since the pf&e headers are custom, im sure they could make you a set without a y-pipe.

keep us posted on that intake.

kretos

i remeber reading the post by dean when he installed the headers, he said it made the car sound alot more like a v6, and there were no noticable gains under 5k

not worth it to me

DeanE

Yep, thats exatly true. I have mentioned many times in the past that I really did not want to bother with building the 2.8 and that most of the parts are going onto the 3.4 I will build.

I had to get rid of the rattling catalytic convertor so I figured I would just go ahead and install the headers a few months back since I would have to cut and redo the tail end of the y-pipesince the cat has been chopped and changed too many times inthe past.

The car did show "slight" improvements all the way through the entire rpm range, but for the money and time it was not hardly a noticible change over the stock exhaust manifold on a small breathing fairly stock 2.8. It did however show good gains above about 4800prms when I am on it hard and the engine is revving higher thus flowing more.

On the downside, This car used to sound great and the headers made it much louder and raspy once it hits into the power at about 3k and up- this was never the case before with the stock exhaust manifolds, A newer highflow Cat, and the Flowmaster 80 with dual 1.75" exits. This car sounded great at idle and all the way up to 5500 rpms- It sounded best at high rpms.

What I did also thought in the way of change at the same time as the header install is a put a bullet race muffler in place of the Cat and am going to use SS V-clamp collars next to fit the catalitic convertor back into it so it can be swapped back to the bullet muffler in about 10 mins for running the car rich without buring up the cat.

It you guys listen to the videos Redrocket posted of us autoxing you can listen closely and hear how loud and raspy the car got with the current changes I made to it- it really got loud at WOT and annoying with the headers on it. it now sounds like a fart can.
I have a different muffler on backorder and will be changing the whole catback setup very soon in the next month or so to try and experiment and get it sounding good again.

The headers will be a major benefit for what I am planning to do to this car, not with what it has now. The stock exhaust manifold would definately choke the new motor I going to build especially if I can get that smog legal supercharger for it that looks to be a fairly sure thing.

Dale

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dean noticed about the same thing on his car, as I did mine. Even with different headers.

This car will wrap 5500-6000rpms easy now. But it sounds like total crap doing it.

DeanE

On a side note, the addition of the 62mm TB over the stock 52mm one was a much more noticible improvement than the addition of headers.

Part of the problem with this car is that (sorry, but this is hard true facts) it is so damn slow and pathetic to begin with that anytime you make an upgrade and get a noticilbe improvement, in a day it just feels the same since the motor is so damn slow.

This is by far the slowest car I have owned when it was stock. It now beats my '77 El Camino (completely stock 350) but didn't when the Camaro was stock, and thats not saying much because the ElCamino is so choked down with smog parts in those years and probably would run a high 16 or low 17sec 1/4.

The Camaro will hang with my work truck when I have probably about 1500lb payload in the bed, but this truck is built and when it was fresh it was putting down about 300 hp and beating 5.0L 80's mustangs with the bed empty- its getting old and tired now.

But my point is, what is fast and noticible? Nothing I have done to this car yet has made it fast, however it has made it ready and reliable so I can put in the fast when I finish a 3.4 build like noone here has ever seen yet- from the ground up with lightweight aftermarket custom internals. Thats what the headers are for and I am hoping to get this car into the high 13's and reliable for daily use.

pappy roach

does any one have the web site for the pacesetter headers