aaronjohn20

Has anyone thought of this yet, or hopefully started one yet. Let me know your thoughts.

Stangski09

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What's wrong with your 355? I took an RS a few nights ago and held him off till 180km/h, and I just have a bolt on L98...

aaronjohn20

aint nothing wrong my 355 other than i got too big a carb on it. Just curious if it's been thunk up yet or better yet, In the works.

Pillsbry10

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im sure it could be done just like anything else, what are the specs on that motor in the 2010?

iroc stangs

arent they like direct injection and all? It'll probaly be a pain in the azz for wiring.

Pillsbry10

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it would kind of be in the same ball park as switching v6 to v8 i imagine, youd need the motor, harness, and ecm...and a transmission for it. im assuming it would fit i havent seen one of those motors yet

Pillsbry10

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specs on the motor

3.6L Variable Valve Timing V6 with SIDI (Spark Ignition Direct Injection) (312 hp @ 6500 rpm, 278 lb-ft of torque @ 5100 rpm)

aaronjohn20

yes they are direct injected making alittle over 300 horse from a 3.6 liter i do believe

iroc stangs

ok found some info
weight - 3750
0-60 - 6.0 secs
1/4 mile - 14.2
redline - 7k
horsepower - 312
torque - 273
transmission - 6 speed stick
brakes - 12.6 (F) 12.4 (R)
MPG - 29

Would your best bet be finding a camaro in the JY? considering i would imagine you would be able to use the engine, brakes, tranny, and rear end? would the swap be pretty identical to doing a ls1 swap but it just being a v6 and diffrent mounts? What about guages? also would like to here what people think the cost of this would be.

and low 13's should be possible since supposely, 100lbs reduction is good for .10 in the quarter and if the thirdgen weight is going be around 3k then thats about 8 secs off the quarter mile time. What do you think the top speed would be with the speed limiter removed (assuming there is one). Is 35mpg resonable considering weight diffrence as long as you keep your foot out of it?

And how much would the basic mods (exhuast/cold air) help with the numbers, Thanks.

I just think it would be sweat to have one as a daily driver that will do everything good with great mpg but that will stomp a unsuspecting mustang. And its not like were talking about building a 300hp v6 from back in the day, this is new technology and the power is already their, we just need to drop her in! Its basicaly a v6 version of the ls1.

aaronjohn20

IROC Stangs; Your questions and comments are basically what i was getting at. It'd be great to have a STOCK 300horse V6 as a daily driver in our 3rd gens. You'd probably see alittle better MPG but i don't know about 6 more. I've also heard every 100lbs is a 1/10 of a second in the quarter. My guess is you'd be in the 12 second 1/4mile times with your basic bolt ons (headers, full exhause, CAI). BTW, I do believe the numbers posted are for the 2011 v6. I think 2010s were 305 or 306 or something. GM upped em because of the 2011 v6 mustang

spade

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that would be cool to have that motor in a 3rdgen... i thought that when the cts first got that motor

Stephen

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I've thought about it, for all the same reasons listed above. Lighter + better MPG + more HP.

But the sound. I love the sound of a V8. I haven't listened to those V6s, but I'm not sure I could get over the loss of the V8 sound.

aaronjohn20

if you listen to them, then imagine hearing that in a third gen. You'd know exactly what they had. To me they have a very distinctive sound to em. Especially the modded ones. Someone please do this!!!!!!!!!!! I don't have the money, LOL

Stephen

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But do they have the same high pitch (especially under acceleration) of a 3rd gen (and most) V6s? Or deep & throaty like my L98?

I know mufflers have a lot to do with sound, but I've never heard a V6 sound good (deep tones) above idle.

Stephen

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Sounded like your typical high pitched V6 to me.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLIkD0ftCFo

iroc stangs

yep, thats exactly what i mean, if you could do the swap 100% it would be extremely reliable. well im not sure about how much mpg ur suppose to save for every 100lb but i would think a stripped out sport coupe with the light weight v6 would easliy be around 2900lbs and so you would barely have to tap the thottle on the 3.6 to get anywhere instead of it being 2800lbs. and about the numbers, i did have 304hp posted but i changed it as people over at camaro5 said its actually 312. i have 2 exact same threads going over their.

iroc stangs

stephen, thats one of the dislikes about the motor, it seems very week and high pitched but again it would make a perfect sleeper and thats what i would be going for. someone on their has a exhuast setup that all i can remember is it had super 44's and it actually sounded dang good, not like a muscle car but very clean and sporty sounding. here are my thread over at camaro 5 http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95986

iroc stangs

if you scroll down a bit on the link, it seems like there would be a lot of wiring, fabing, and headaches involved. which really bites because this would be sweet. I bet anyone that could do a ls1 swap properly could do this, expecially with some smart buddies. ANYONE?

aaronjohn20

Would love to be a part of that build

bl85c

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It could be done, but figuring out the powertrain control would be tricky. The pcm expects to be communicating with other computers like the body control, guagecluster & other stuff. Not sure if you would need to work around antitheft too. The CTS was the first to get that motor, with a little less power. This came up a few months ago but noone seemed interested in the hassle. I'd like to swap in the irs... but it looks like a big hassle without anywhere convenient to mount it.

87WS6

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The sound is a big part of why I love V8 equipped muscle cars. The torque is another. I wouldn't want to use the 2010 Camaro V6 in a third gen instead of an LSx engine or even an SBC. It just doesn't appeal to me.

Pillsbry10

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you probably wouldnt turbo charge a 3.4 either lol

Project 3.4 Camaro

Don't make the mistake of thinking v6s can't make torque, idk offhand if the 3.6 is OHC or OHV, but based on the rev limit and vvt that engine wasn't built for torque so much as power, but I mean, look at a stock 3.4 if you think v6s can't make torque, only 160 hp, but 200 ft lbs.
And pillsbry I'll be doing that swap pretty soon myself, have the car and engine, just need to get them in the same place, how far along with it are ya?

And slightly random, but anyone know offhand what the 2.8 intake setup will do to the 3.4 output? Because I'm wondering if the torque will drop since I know the 3.4 falls on its face at like 4.5-5k because of its intake design, but makes rly nice low end torque. I know the 2.8 intake is better on the high end, but not sure if low end will suffer or not..

iroc stangs

the 3.6 is OHC, atleast that's what i heard.

DeathStarr89

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pretty similar in power and weight to the 3.5 that's in my '89..



the 3.6 is a DOHC 60v6, it shares the same bellhousing as the old gen1 V6 stuff so a 700R4 would bolt to it if needed.

86NiteRider

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Exactley! I am not going through all of that trouble for a 6. They all sound weak to me. I love the acceleration sound of my 8. Sometimes I accelerate just to hear it...lol. And to intimidate cars around me.

If you are gonna do it then do it big...swap in the 8 from a fifth gen and get the best of both worlds....5th gen performance in a thirdgen body design.

87WS6

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Not in a third generation F-Body.

I know V6's can make torque. The Buick 3.8L is a perfect example of that. But all things being equal a V8 can out "torque" a V6. Granted things aren't always equal but the potential for torque is greater in a larger displacement engine. At least, theoretically. The stock 2010 Camaro V6 doesn't impress me that much. Sure it makes great horsepower but it makes less torque than the L98 does. Put some work into an SBC and you can make over 300HP and 350TQ pretty easily. Go with a 383 and torque increases even further. Compared to the LSx the only thing that V6 has going for it is less weight and better fuel economy. The latter of which is absolutely no concern of mine. Especially given what kind of fuel economy you can get from an LSx engine.

Well I don't think all V6's sound weak. They just don't sound very good to me for the most part with few exceptions. The one in my Girlfriend's Fiero sounds like something from a Ferrari. However its not the sound I expect to hear in a third generation F-Body or anything I'd classify as a muscle car.

aaronjohn20

One of the many suggestions for this build is a great mpg reliable daily driver

Pillsbry10

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lol whats the difference?

I dont think anyone is really trying to get in the great debate of v8s are better than v6s. the fact that it is lighter and gets better mpg is EXACTLY why a lot of people have or stick with v6s


and again no one cares that you think they sound weak or that there not powerful or that v8s are better, this thread isnt about that, there are 1000s of those threads already.


it would be pretty cool to put one of those in a third gen, it would probably be a lot like what purple82ta is doing in his. i cant wait to see how that actually turns out. if i could come across one of those motors cheap id probably do it just for the heck of it.

if you could attach a 700r4 to it you could put a t5 on it as well so that would make things a bit easier to put it in. what side is the starter on that motor?

Pillsbry10

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most people wont go through all that trouble for a v6, then again anyone can make a v8 fast cant they. most of us work on these cars just for something diffrent and im sure someone will put in a v8 5th gen motor and that will be pretty bad *** as well. if i could get that motor cheap id do that to, but before long those motors will be in everything like the 4th gen ls1's are now.

my car is quiet for the most part, especially now with the turbo on it. so if you rev at me and i rev back..your going to think its any easy kill until the turbo spools up

jensen73110

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Even more interesting: I wonder how easily the 6 speed manual or auto would bolt to a third gen.....

Pillsbry10

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hmmm....wonder what the length of motor and trans is on the 5th gen? im sure theres no way it would be the same or close enough to for the most part "bolt" in

bl85c

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I like mine because of mileage, weight and handling. It's lighter & set further back which gives it a better weight bias.

Y'know I don't understand why someone would question a swap like this. Why swap in a sbc? Why swap in an LS1? Why swap in a grand national motor or a cosworth 4 banger or a 454 or any other popular, name-brand motor? All would have their own challenges. If you want to plop in something premade that everyone else already has go with a sbc or LS1. If you're different like most of us on the v6 board choose a more obscure motor or better yet if you have the knowledge & resources make some frankenstein creation like the 3.4/3400 hybrid I'm going to put in after I kill the 2.8 in my car now.

Project 3.4 Camaro

Unless you already have the parts, get 3500 top end, little bit better, and since you're using a 3.4 to start with you can use it.

87WS6

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And that's something I think the engine in question would accomplish nicely in one of these cars.

I was just throwing my $0.02 out there and specifically stated why I wouldn't do it. Nothing more.

Pillsbry10

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i dont get it either its a constant thing on the v6 boards, i wasnt really trying to be an **** but it gets annoying some days. i couldve easily put in an ls1 and a t56 in my car for what i spent on whats in there now. all of us are out of our minds for what we do with these cars

ya know when i started my build there werent any frankestein creations

aaronjohn20

I started this thread because i was curious if someone else has already thought of it, perhaps started the build. I don't question anyones swap. THEIR PUTTING INTO THEIR CARS, WHAT THEY HAD OR HAVE INVISIONED FOR IT. I had an 89RS with the 2.8 in it a few years back and followed Daves12Sec posts for awhile on his turbo build. Needless to say, never did do it or anything like it because moneys tight. I also thought about a blown 2.8. Has anyone else? But no, I've succumbed to the SBC in an 85 IROC, but i just wanted to let all you (what do i wanna say) unconventional swappers and builders out there to keep up the good work and the unrelentless fabrications to make your CAMAROS run with the best. Most of us like to see what you come up with!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Project 3.4 Camaro

Well the first time I saw the specs on it, I THOUGHT about it being a nice swap, but the fact is I don't have the money or resources to even think about attempting it, and atm, the things are hard to find and not at all cheap, plus, once I do have that kind of money I'm going for an ls3.

sk8r fer life

Hey wats up I need to put in my two cents, :] I'll also be doing this swap when I overhaul my camaro in a few years, but I guess I wont be the first to do the swap. Few things...The dash could be a little work to fit cause its like 3-5 inches longer than ours I'm pretty sure. As for the engine Im pretty sure it should fit, BC Ive been talkin with my friend over the build for a while and I'll be putting in the V8 that came with the SS with a few other goodies. I dont see why the engine wouldnt fit, just the wiring will be a PITA, I would call Summit Racing and tell them the plans and see what they have to say and if they dont have every part you need they recommend you to someone that does, If not fabricate it themselves. BTW I think spohn actually has a Kmember kit for this swap the last time I was looking plus youll be able to add a rack and pinion kit as well if you choose, (I know I willbe). Best of luck if you get this going I would like to see this build happen.