SlowCamaro88SC

What a day, what a day.
well first off, I don't think I'll be buying those leather '92 z28 seats anymore. Because........ (here's my story)
my father got pissed because I "borrowed" a tire from his iroc. it's not running or anything hasn't even moved since april. I have a tire that basically blew out (was ready to before I bought the wheels), so I temporarily borrowed a wheel off the iroc. (i have iroc wheels on my '88 sport coupe) when I came home today to go to work, my car was on jackstands and he was finishing up switching his wheels back.
no big deal, no need to start a fight, I was gonna go buy another next monday, but I guess I can today. Well I thought everything was alright but, here I am driving down the road on my way to work and CRACK! GRRRRRR SCCCCCKKKKR a wheel & tire fly off my car. he failed to tell me that he didn't tighten the lugnuts. I asked hum before I left and he told me they were tight. i was really upset that he basically sabotaged my car because I borrowed a wheel. Thank god I didn't make it to the highway. So I jump out of my car and survey his handiwork. just a quick glance and I could see that I need a new left fender, rocker panel ground effect, and fairly major work to the door. I walked home, and swore @ him and shoved him for doing that to my car, because he knows how much it matters to me. I walked away cussing before I could let my emotions take over and I'd do more than push him. So, I drove my car 1/2 mile to my girlfriends home ON THE ROTOR. an hour later the cops show up @ her house and arrest me on the spot for domestic violence. They didn't even care that my father broke into my car, moved it, then sabotaged it. they said, "too bad, so sad. we can't do anything about it. It's between you and your father." Well duh, when I shoved him, it was between me and him then, but I'm the one getting booked @ the county jail! It's not his car! The title has my name on it! anyway, after my girlfriend posts the $150 bond, I go home. I don't even want to look @ my car. It looks like it's taking a nosedive into the ground. Tommorow I'll have to see if my rotor is still good and possibly replace it, and go get some new lugnuts. And I think the door, fender & GFX are more important than the seats, so no seats. All I have is liability, so I'm SOL. I can't believe it. I'm so upset. So here's my tech part. where can I get a "dust cap" since mine flew off the car. They don't just sell them do they? pray for the "ressurection" of my camaro. it's really all I've got in life other than my girlfriend.

Ovrclck350

Attempted Murder? Considering the wheel COULD have flew off going 70 and you'd have ended up in a ditch somewhere, I guess you COULD argue that. Sorry about the car, and can't help you on the dust cover.

RenoLB8

That really sucks about your dad, especially going to the cops on it. I gotta tell you though, the only way you're going to come out of this is if you take it for real that you did screw up worse. you shouldn't have shoved him. Heck, I'd do a lot more then shove if that happened to me too, but the judge won't want to hear that. The dust cap should be available in the red "HELP" section of any real auto parts store. The rotors are tough little guys, so you should be able to drive on it for a while. I lost my wheel on the expressway (someone needed my lugs more then me I guess), going baout 85. The wheel shot up in the air about 40-50 ft, and came down about 10 ft in front of a jeep. That could have been much worse. I skidded to a stop, which chewed a flat spot about 3/4 to an inch off of the rotor, put the wheel back on and drove it like that for a year before replacement. Luckily, I can't stang GFX, so I had NO body damage whatsoever.

Good luck man.

-Reno

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KED85

I've had a tire come off, it was my fault, and it MISSED an on coming car.
I doubt it was your Dad that told the cops, it was probably a neighbor.
Tell your Dad you are sorry. You were right to be angry, WAY wrong to borrow his wheel, ESPECIALLY without asking him.
I may be able to help ya with the fender & such. Shipping will be expensive, tho from SoCal.
Rotors can take abuse. Get them from an S-10 Blazer, same thing!
Real sorry to read this tale.

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

Graeme'sFirebird

Damn sorry bro. Know what u should get? Locking lug nuts!

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" I'd rather run last in a full out race, than to NOT run at all ".

SlowCamaro88SC

no it was my dad that did it. well, i got it back on four wheels today. Gonna get a dustcap, maybe tommorow. now I have a bald 245/50/r16 on the r-rear a good 235/55/r16 on the l-rear which is a "front" wheel. a good 235/55/r16 on the r-front, and the donut on the l-front. the front of the door looks like a duck bill. the gfx might be fixable, but what the hell, I might as well go all out and get 91-92 gfx, a new fender, a new door, and start sanding the body. It'll look like crap but by september, I might be able to repaint it. first off are new tires though. the 235/55's rub a little, and I don't like the tires. so I guess I'll get 255/50/VR16's on the rear, and 225/50/VR16's on the front. Kumho Ecsta Supra's are cheap, and they have the second or third best ratings on tirerack.com @ $89.00 per tire, I think I'll be able to get two w/ my next check, and the other two w/ the next. Then a new door, fender etc.

And btw, I went to get my insurance info from my mom for work, and apparently I don't have any car insurance now. As of March 1st I guess. Nobody told me. I am on my own insurance, and it's MY car, but I am with the same ins. company that my parents are w/ so I just gave my money to my mother when she asked. Can it get any better??? Tune in tommorow for more fun and antics from SlowCamaro88SC aka Daniel J. Briones.

3.1 firebird

your dad is obviously messed up! I cant even imagine my dad getting mad at me borrowing a wheel for a few days off a car he didnt even drive. And his savatage was sick to do to his own son.

KED85

Settle the anger with the folks.
That's to your advantage for life.
It happened, sorry to read this thread.
There's too much anger (ie-wasted effort) going around these days.
Make yours better.
Something much better will come outta that effort/result, too.

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

ONEFINE8T9

well first off u are wrong for even touching ur dads car. I know if i where a father and my son "borrowed" my WS.6 wheel to run his car to work im gonna tan his A$$. U where also very wrong for pushing ur dad. IF my dad where to take a sludg hammer to my car id never lay a hand on him. This is ur dad. The guy who is there when everyone else will turn on u. SO show a litle more respect to ur dad.

now on to the car.....u need to be a little more patient. First of all y are u running a 235 55 16 on an iroc wheel? U SHOULD run a 245 50 16. Not a 255 50 16 or a 235 55 16. If u have different diameter tires on ur rear u will damage ur rear end if its a posi. With 2 different size tires the wheels are constantly spinning at different speeds. NOT GOOD. now for a solution......go down to pep boys. take a look at thier ultra Z tires. U might get the sale and get them for 75 a peice. if not than ur gonna spend about 99 a tire. they are well worth it. i have them on my firebird and they handle awsome and i have yet to come across a problem with them. Just let ur car sit for a little while until u can get ur tires. Dont cut corners and hurt ur self in the long run.

now go home and apoligize to ur dad and thank god u have one kool enough to be into the same kind of car as u.

BTW if its YOUR car wouldnt it be YOUR responsibility to check YOUR lug nuts?

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87CamaroLT

I halfway agree with you here.... You shouldn't have shoved your dad, and he had a right to be mad if you took one of his wheels without asking.
However, I know my dad would see the point if I told him that the only reason I was using his wheel was because the car wasn't running, and you needed to go to work (Hey, gotta have cash to get a new tire). I wouldn't get mad if he took a wheel off my Camaro because one on his S-10 blew out... If it ran however, that would be a different story.
And, if he did leave the lugs loose on purpose, that's pretty frigged up man...

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Currently undergoing a 2.8->3.4 swap.....

Jason E

Onefin8t9, I think you're missing a key point...

What his father did is not merely evil and vindictive, its totally unsafe!!! Yeah, I'd love to know that my car got nailed because some kid's dad undid his lugnuts, and lost control and hit me. Not only does this endanger others, it definitely endangers his son!!!

I don't condone taking a wheel, but c'mon...what his dad did was downright ridiculous. Sorry to hear about the car man...good luck.

XxMoLexX

I think there is a possibility that ONEFINE is just a father himself and is tryin to stick up for himself, or he jus got a screw loose.

The kid jus borrowed a wheel.. even if it that was rong, there is no reason to not tighten the lugs and risk da kids life. Ok it was his car and he shooda checked it, but it was his father not some dumass mechanic hoo dint give a ****.

Even if the kid was rong and the father was right.. WTF is up wit da cops?... Bunch of Horse crap.

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91 3.1 RS.
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3.1 firebird

thats my point, his dad has every right to be pissed, but unloosening lugnuts over it is insane!

Graeme'sFirebird

onefine8t9...
Look at how i see it. What happens if the lug nuts came off he lost control and ran into a telephone pole or another car and killed everyone? What would happen to that father then? Would that father be arrested for murder? Manslaughter? Felony sabatoge? All over a ****ing rim? **** that the dad deserved to be pushed. How about if it happened to him? What would he do to his son? Go home and whoop his *** ? Then its the same thing as what his son did. Its all just how u look at it.



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" I'd rather run last in a full out race, than to NOT run at all ".

ONEFINE8T9

well first off id like to say that i am certainly NOT a father and i hope im not gonna be one for a long time. I just turned 18 a week ago . But i doubt ur dad purposely loosened ur lugs like that. I think it might have sliped his mind and it being ur car u probably should have thought to tighten them urself. Now u say ur dads car isnt running? is that becouse he doesnt wanna drive it this time of year or is his car a real POS? either way though a mans car is a mans car.......gotta respect that

ONEFINE8T9

BTW u cant tighten the lugs completly on the jack. U can only get them so tight before u have to drop the car on the ground for final tightening. I think this is where he slipped up. But hey i could be wrong.

JPrevost

wow, what a story
Cops, family problems, girlfriend, cars!
You could write a country song if only something were to happen to your dog . That's just me being a city slicker.
I don't know you and I don't know your father but something has to be done about this relationship. Obviously your dad doesn't feel that you respect him or love him. That is what happened with me and my father. What fixed our relationship was time apart. I spend very little time with him and then the time spent went a lot smoother and eventually turned into a strong bond. I'm only 20 now. It takes a big stupid guy with a pride issue to use his strength on another individule. It takes an even stronger man to walk away. Get a grip on what's going on in your life and if it means crashing at a friends house DO IT.
Onto the car problems...
Onefine8t9 is right about the different sized tires on the rear, it'll screw up the posi unit. Bum a ride from the g-friend or another friend for a while then get some tires. Keep working so you can fix the car but don't give up working on your relationship with your dad, I'm glad I didn't.

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SlowCamaro88SC

ok here goes. he got a deal on the iroc in april because he was helping me look for a parts car because I hit a deer in feb. on '00 and I needed a hood. he found it, bought it for himself, because it "needed a little work". turns out the interior is perfect, the paint is perfect, except it's all peeled off on the roof and hatch area, no rust, and the motor was seized. he pulled the motor (with my help) and that's all he's done. he did all that in april/may. he disassembled the motor, and in aug. he finally sent it off to an engine shop. it's march and the motor is still there. the wheel that did come off was ON THE GROUND not in the air when I came home. the wheels on the right side of the body were tight. that's the side i checked. he was finishing the last wheel when I came home. the L-rear. it's dead, the wires are coming through. so I put the tiny spare on back, making it sit funny anyways. well so he didn't forget to tighten the lugnuts in haste. that iroc means nothing to him. he's 54. he's too old for these kind of cars. the last time he was even IN a camaro was in '91. when he sold my ma's 86 sport coupe.

why is it on 235/55/16's??? the kid who had the wheels on his '87 iroc before they were on my car didn't even know the stock tire size. that's why. i typo'd though... yeah 245/50/16's on the back. but the "plastic" debris deflector around the wheel wells (what's the name?) rubs the right side wheel. I had 225/50/16's on the front and I liked how they looked. that's why I'd like 225/50/16's instead of 245/50/16's. once I cut off the small spot that rubs, I won't have to worry about the size. then I'll get stock. and here in Wi the snow is just melting so I needed tires with tread. and what's the difference. same wheels, different tires. like it's gonna be moving anytime soon. and the fronts, were given to me! then I gave em' to my dad since I didn't have any 16's in may. only my 15" wheels. and they are awesome and apparently discontinued tires (in 225/50/ZR16 anyway.) Pirelli P700-Z's. my fronts are 235/55/R16 Goodyear American Eagles. i wish I wouldn't have given mine away to him now.
keep this thread going.... it's making me feel better. most agree with how I feel.

I have court tommorow for all of this. that sucks... maybe I should have taken pictures of my car?? to show the judge.

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1988 Camaro Sport Coupe
2.8 V6, TCI 3200 Stall TC, B&M Transkit, 2.5" 80 Series Flowmaster & Catback, '85 Firebird SE 3.73 Rear (in spring)
'83 Z/28 Hood, '87 IROC Wheels, '92 Z/28 Bowtie Grille, IROC Gauges, IROC Taillights, IROC Foglamps

1985 Firebird SE
2.5 I4, T-5, 3.73 rear (going to the sport coupe)

SlowCamaro88SC

honestly, I think I'll just drive to work and back to my girlfriend's home that's it. (total of 3 1/2 miles to work and back) I get payed on the 19th, and I'll go buy 1 or 2 new tires. for the rear. for now I think I should get the other 235/55/16 on the front. And the donut on the L-rear. that's it for now. I drove it yesterday, and the suspension feels incredibly harsh the spare looks a little low. how many PSI for that little beast? 60 right? and just to think the night before all this happened I raced a '89 firebird, doing 90+ on a 50 mph highway and I was gonna tell everyone about it the next day, then all this happens. now I'm afraid to go over 45.

SlowCamaro88SC

I got a quote for how much it'll cost to repair the damage. $1,302.37 jeez. half of my car's value.

JPrevost

Sell her and buy a v8 . Sorry, I had to say that considering the numbers posted.

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GOLD85

hers what i would do. i would go to my dad and say " Listen *** face your eather going to pay the 1200 to get it fixed or i'm gona take it out on you a$$ or take the parts of your car" then yell "SO WHATS IT GONNA BE" and that slam you fist down on the table. Oh yea when this is all said and don and you move out i would smash all the windows on his car. just my $.02

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RS'er

Your dad SHOULD pay for it.

You may ave been wrong for pusing your dad,however if my dad did that to my car,I think I would push mine too considering he could have killed me and or others. Thats messed up what your dad did. He should definatly pay for it or give you the IROC

Also,you went back home after your GIRLFRIEND bailed you out!? WTF is that? Your dad also owes you $150 for bail to pay back your G/F!

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SlowCamaro88SC

no I went to my girlfriend's home. Actually I am "home" right now. I finally came home. Dad's @ work and mom is home.

SlowCamaro88SC

yeah now my ma says that It's too bad. I am the one that's getting screwed out of it. she can't do anything about it, he won't do anything about it, and i'm getting screwed out of 1300.

she doesn't care, they bought the car so it too bad. but then.... I turn 18, ma says, ok you are 18, the car is yours, go get the title changed so it's in your name. so it was my "18th" b-day present. Even though it was my 17th. i guess the 18th was the 'maro being officially mine. they've helped me out when money was tight, but the fact is the title has my name on it NOW. she said "your father doesn't have the money, so too bad" WTF! he should take the fender and door off the iroc and put em' on my car and repaint them. but then she'll call the cops. they say they care, but all they really care about is themselves. otherwise she'd actually care that my father did that to my car.

[This message has been edited by SlowCamaro88SC (edited March 15, 2001).]

turbo497

This post is nuts.....

I am a father and would never do anything to hurt my children

leaving lugnuts loose on purpose would be a criminal reckless endangerment offense.

I can't believe that your nuts where left loose on purpose.... let that go


your car is damaged-your alive you have many options.

ask your dad if he would sell you his car junk yours and drive the iroc.

Don't fix it- you can buy a running car for 1300.00 or less, keep working and then fix it a a later date.

get an apartment close to work and walk there then you don't need the car and you can fix it at a later date or buy a nicer car

this will not be the last car you own don't stress yourself out over cars.....

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SlowCamaro88SC

well, i found a fender... for free! a buddy has a '87 iroc, and he wants to replace the whole front clip w/ rust free parts, and his left side has a bit of rust on it (under the ground effects) and he said I could have it. the paint is the same color and the striping is the same woohoo. I know, about the car thing, I'm going to try to fix the damage and sell the car, maybe I could find a beat up iroc to restore to a decent condition.