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Old Feb 14, 2004 | 10:27 PM
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msd or accel...?

ok i am about to replace my ignition system and i was wondering you you guys thought about msd and accel and which parts to go with with... ex msd ignition box with blaster coil and 8.5 msd wires and whats plugs do you guys suggest i was thinking about split fire or ngk
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Old Feb 14, 2004 | 10:35 PM
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Stay with MSD. Bought Msd Blaster coil last summer and it works great. I also have msd 8mm wires and they are awesome too. What a great improvement over a stock ignition setup..

I use stock AC Delco plugs.

Good luck..
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Old Feb 15, 2004 | 12:35 AM
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Re: msd or accel...?

Originally posted by ty_sob87_camaro
ok i am about to replace my ignition system and i was wondering you you guys thought about msd and accel and which parts to go with with... ex msd ignition box with blaster coil and 8.5 msd wires and whats plugs do you guys suggest i was thinking about split fire or ngk
You cant use splitfires with MSD boxes. You have to run "regular" plugs that can be gapped. That means no fancy plugs like Bosch 2+ or rapidfires and splitfires etc etc. My igniton is completely MSD. Is there any other? Hmmm. Damned if I know.
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Old Feb 15, 2004 | 12:42 AM
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how do you like the msd stuff and if has help then what exactlly are you running or if there is something you wish to have put on it instead what ould that be
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Old Feb 16, 2004 | 10:50 AM
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For every good thing I hear about accell I also hear a bad. I have never heard any horrow stories about MSD stuff. I do not have an ingniton box but I do have their coil, wires, and cap and rotor. They made my idle nice and smooth and increased my mileage a bit. Stay with regular old AC delco plugs. The hot spark of the blast coil can foul out certian plugs. See the Bosch Plugs thread.
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Old Feb 16, 2004 | 10:57 AM
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Originally posted by ty_sob87_camaro
how do you like the msd stuff and if has help then what exactlly are you running or if there is something you wish to have put on it instead what ould that be
I have the MSD Digital 6 box, 8.5mm wires, 8366 distributor and 8226 blaster coil. I wouldnt run anything else but MSD. I have tried Accel products and didnt like them.
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Old Feb 16, 2004 | 11:06 AM
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Go with MSD for all ignition parts. The only exception I'd suggest is to go with Accell superstock spiral wires if you need to save the cash, otherwise MSD all the way.

As for plugs go for NGK gapped to 50thou or if you're adventurous you could try :

http://www.gmtips.com/3rd-degree/dox...tion/spark.htm

Si.
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Old Feb 16, 2004 | 11:19 AM
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Yes the only MSD cost I couldn't justify was their 8.8MM spark plugs. I run an MSD Pro Billet ready to run distributor, MSD6A ignition box and MSD Blaster 2 coil. I think 2 big reasons I got my stock 350HO crate motor into the 12's were my ignition setup and my drivetrain setup .
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Old Feb 16, 2004 | 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by iroc-si
Go with MSD for all ignition parts. The only exception I'd suggest is to go with Accell superstock spiral wires if you need to save the cash, otherwise MSD all the way.

As for plugs go for NGK gapped to 50thou or if you're adventurous you could try :

http://www.gmtips.com/3rd-degree/dox...tion/spark.htm

Si.
Gap your plugs according to what compression ratio you are running. Follow your MSD manual for instructions.
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Old Feb 16, 2004 | 02:16 PM
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cool thanx guys i am going today to buy my stuff so i will let you know what i get.
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Old Feb 16, 2004 | 07:06 PM
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I have both brands for my vehicles, for a budget, I love the super stock wires, very nice

I have a tad of radio interference with my MSD super conductors, Next time I'll save my money and get the Accell 300+ wires
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Old Feb 16, 2004 | 08:16 PM
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ok i went wiht all msd, i got a msd ignition box 6al, helicore wires, Blaster GM Coil PN 8226, msd cap and rotor. and ngk plugsit totaled me about 360$ this crap better be good
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Old Feb 17, 2004 | 12:28 AM
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Originally posted by ty_sob87_camaro
ok i went wiht all msd, i got a msd ignition box 6al, helicore wires, Blaster GM Coil PN 8226, msd cap and rotor. and ngk plugsit totaled me about 360$ this crap better be good
You wont be disappointed.
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Old Feb 17, 2004 | 12:45 AM
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does msd make blue wires at all? becuase i'm going to polishing and painting my engine blue and i want everything color coordinated... if not i guess i'll be getting taylor or moroso wires, i havnt heard any complaints about either of those company's wires. Also, how does the different amount of ohms or whatever relate to performance?
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Old Feb 17, 2004 | 04:24 AM
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MSD and Accel put out a good product. However, I run the Pro Street Kit from Jacobs Electronics. They're kind of pricey, but I've been pleased with mine for a few years now.
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Old Feb 17, 2004 | 11:29 AM
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Originally posted by bytal
does msd make blue wires at all? becuase i'm going to polishing and painting my engine blue and i want everything color coordinated... if not i guess i'll be getting taylor or moroso wires, i havnt heard any complaints about either of those company's wires. Also, how does the different amount of ohms or whatever relate to performance?
MSD makes black wires.
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Old Feb 17, 2004 | 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by bytal
does msd make blue wires at all? becuase i'm going to polishing and painting my engine blue and i want everything color coordinated... if not i guess i'll be getting taylor or moroso wires, i havnt heard any complaints about either of those company's wires. Also, how does the different amount of ohms or whatever relate to performance?
Ohms is the measure of resistance. The less the better.
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Old Feb 17, 2004 | 06:42 PM
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yes msd does make blue wires, i just picked them up today. it was the helicore version they are 8mm wires
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Old Feb 21, 2004 | 04:03 PM
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anyone run GM Perfopranace ignition system or Pertronix? I love the Pertronix. I had all MSD in my Cavalier, I like the Pertronix better. Performance wise they are the exact same, but I like the look of the Pertronix, just a thought!

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Old Feb 21, 2004 | 09:27 PM
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So, wait, I was going to buy the Super HEI kit (comes with MSD 6AL and Blaster 2 coil), but now I read this post and find out I can't b/c I have Splitfire plugs in my car? That sux majorly. Man I don't want to have to change plugs again, I just did it not 5,000 miles ago.
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Old Feb 26, 2004 | 09:37 PM
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Your doing mods to your car and are worried about changing your plugs????

MSD is a real upgrade, splitfires are not!!! Dont let your cheapy splitfires stop you from having a performance ignition!!!
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Old Feb 27, 2004 | 11:16 PM
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MSD boxes work well. One unit that gets overlooked though is the Mallory hi fire VI.
Little more features and a little less bucks.
Forget the gimmick plugs and run a good old NGK. You'd be surprised to see that this little 2 buck plug runs rings around all the 8 dollar ones.
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Old Feb 29, 2004 | 02:07 AM
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Originally posted by eatmydust
but now I read this post and find out I can't b/c I have Splitfire plugs in my car?
Just because someone said? And as long as they're not the platinums, you should be fine. I'll assume you like them since you don't want to change them, so experiment for yourself.

You gotta remember, most people don't have a clue about Splitfires. They've "heard" this or that, but they don't really know. And they'll never know because they won't try them. And most likely, the people they've heard it from haven't tried them either.

Call them "a gimmick," "cheapy," whatever, but it's simple stuff, not fancy. Except for the split ground electrode, the original Splitfires(not the platinums) are as "norm" and reliable as any basic plug. They're constructed like any "good old AC Delco."

The split ground electrode merely helps expose the center electrode to the fuel mixture--similar to cutting back the electrode as shown in that above link. They provide all of the same advantages as in that article, but to a lesser extent because the center electrode isn't exposed that much. And by the way, you DO gap Splitfires.
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Old Feb 29, 2004 | 03:12 PM
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Oh i'm not worried about changing them, I took the old one's out, put the Split Fire's in myself. I just hate to change them since i've only got like 5k miles on them. Hell I can try them I guess and if they suck i'll just have to shell out $ for some AC Delco plugs.
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