eagle rods question.
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eagle rods question.
I have been running some eagle I beam forged rods, 6".
I know they are rated to about 500hp and 6500rpm, The rpm is not an issue, but the hp rating they give it kind of scares me, I am currently re building my 383 to accommodate approximately 15psi of boost, and when I get trigger happy, I will shoot another 100shot of horsepower via nitrous into the monster. Has anyone had exceptional luck with these I beam rods? Or should I just ante up the cash for the H beams? Thanks guys!
I know they are rated to about 500hp and 6500rpm, The rpm is not an issue, but the hp rating they give it kind of scares me, I am currently re building my 383 to accommodate approximately 15psi of boost, and when I get trigger happy, I will shoot another 100shot of horsepower via nitrous into the monster. Has anyone had exceptional luck with these I beam rods? Or should I just ante up the cash for the H beams? Thanks guys!
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i work under the simple practice of build it right the first time.
never take a chance with something as important as rods, get the h beams and never have to worry about it
never take a chance with something as important as rods, get the h beams and never have to worry about it
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Have you read the book "maximum boost" by corky bell? He did a section on building the bottom end, that echo's what David Vizard has said before (but Bell did a nice chart and graph as well...)
Basically, rod and cranks see the most stress from moving the heavy pistons quickly. The changing directional forces quickly is what SHREDS them. Ie, high RPM. Boost only adds force at a point when the centrifugal force is low, (just after TDC is max boost force, which has low centrifugal force). ie, it doesn't add additional stress above the max point.
Yes, if you went and integrated the stress over time, it'd be higher, but the max stress imparted doesn't really change much (very little).
I'd leave your current rods and not worry about it, if you're not spinning it to a higher RPM, you're not stressing the rods any more than you were before.
Basically, rod and cranks see the most stress from moving the heavy pistons quickly. The changing directional forces quickly is what SHREDS them. Ie, high RPM. Boost only adds force at a point when the centrifugal force is low, (just after TDC is max boost force, which has low centrifugal force). ie, it doesn't add additional stress above the max point.
Yes, if you went and integrated the stress over time, it'd be higher, but the max stress imparted doesn't really change much (very little).
I'd leave your current rods and not worry about it, if you're not spinning it to a higher RPM, you're not stressing the rods any more than you were before.
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Heres a quote from powerdyne.
Q: Doesn't running boost on an engine put more strain on the engine's parts?
A: Not necessarily. RPM is what kills engine parts. Typically, an unblown engine has to run up to 7,000 or 8,000 rpm to make any real power. At these high speeds you need a special crank, rods, pistons, rocker arms, valves, valve springs, and on and on. But a blower substantially increases power and torque at much lower rpm's. You usually don't have to run a blown engine over about 6,000 rpm to make maximum power. At these speeds stock engine components are usually more than adequate.
Additionally an engine sees maximum load on the components at the moment the piston changes speed from going up in the cylinder to going down. There is a commonly held theory, too complicated to go into here, that increasing the combustion pressure, which a supercharger does, actually reduces this maximum load when piston travel changes from up to down. Under this theory, at comparable rpm's a blown engine is easier on parts than an unblown engine.
In actuality, as long as detonation is controlled, you rarely have any engine failures with a blower
A: Not necessarily. RPM is what kills engine parts. Typically, an unblown engine has to run up to 7,000 or 8,000 rpm to make any real power. At these high speeds you need a special crank, rods, pistons, rocker arms, valves, valve springs, and on and on. But a blower substantially increases power and torque at much lower rpm's. You usually don't have to run a blown engine over about 6,000 rpm to make maximum power. At these speeds stock engine components are usually more than adequate.
Additionally an engine sees maximum load on the components at the moment the piston changes speed from going up in the cylinder to going down. There is a commonly held theory, too complicated to go into here, that increasing the combustion pressure, which a supercharger does, actually reduces this maximum load when piston travel changes from up to down. Under this theory, at comparable rpm's a blown engine is easier on parts than an unblown engine.
In actuality, as long as detonation is controlled, you rarely have any engine failures with a blower
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Theory? I thought those engine builders and powerdyne get their info from true testing. Look at procharger and whipple amongst other companies that have been putting superchargers on stock engines for years now and havent had any problems which isnt theory at all. Most will say to run low boost for stock but thats because you should upgrade to forged pistons.
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Heres Joe Shermans advice on rod choice. You know who Joe Sherman is right. Going to h-beams will just add uneeded weight. He doesnt even suggest them for high rpm engines.
http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4094
http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4094
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