Latest on vortec Stealth Rams?
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Latest on vortec Stealth Rams?
Are they sealing now?
Are they in stock?(didnt find it at summit)
anyone know the truth, its out there :-)
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Are they in stock?(didnt find it at summit)
anyone know the truth, its out there :-)
later
Jeremy
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I've had mine for almost 2 months, try WND-7542 at summit or check thunder racing(where I got mine). My first one was recalled for casting porosity, the one I have now is fine and they are testing all their castings now before they ship them. I have probably 500 miles with no problems with it so far.
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Interesting.
Just debating intake possibilities, trying to figure out a way around cutting the hood bracing though. that really peeves me off
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Just debating intake possibilities, trying to figure out a way around cutting the hood bracing though. that really peeves me off
thanks
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Originally posted by 3.8TransAM
Interesting.
Just debating intake possibilities, trying to figure out a way around cutting the hood bracing though. that really peeves me off
thanks
Jeremy
Interesting.
Just debating intake possibilities, trying to figure out a way around cutting the hood bracing though. that really peeves me off
thanks
Jeremy
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fiberglass?
No way in hell! Ever, never, ever!
*flame away* I will go on record and state, I hate thirdgens with cowl hoods, I dont care how low or how high they are.
Might get stuck notching the stocker for Stealthram. Its the cheapest ,easiest alternative.
I know it makes power.
Heres why I'm thinking of switching.
My Formie.
2600vigi
383
SDPC base
hogged slp runners and plenum(i did)
crane 216ish/221ish .500 lift cam with 1.6 rr
8.67-1 compression
slp 1 3/4 headers
Great stump puller, but she shuts off at 4800-5000.
Above specs are mild because it was built with turbocharging in mind:-) Thats why the smallish cam and w compression.
The rpm cieling now is quite annoying.
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No way in hell! Ever, never, ever!
*flame away* I will go on record and state, I hate thirdgens with cowl hoods, I dont care how low or how high they are.
Might get stuck notching the stocker for Stealthram. Its the cheapest ,easiest alternative.
I know it makes power.
Heres why I'm thinking of switching.
My Formie.
2600vigi
383
SDPC base
hogged slp runners and plenum(i did)
crane 216ish/221ish .500 lift cam with 1.6 rr
8.67-1 compression
slp 1 3/4 headers
Great stump puller, but she shuts off at 4800-5000.
Above specs are mild because it was built with turbocharging in mind:-) Thats why the smallish cam and w compression.
The rpm cieling now is quite annoying.
later
Jeremy
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Something amiss there somewhere. I have a smaller cam and my power ceiling is higher than that.
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I've had mine for a while but only got it put on about 2 weeks ago took a half second off my 1/4 times with it and nothing else not a bad deal if you ask me
Originally posted by 1989GTATransAm
Something amiss there somewhere. I have a smaller cam and my power ceiling is higher than that.
Something amiss there somewhere. I have a smaller cam and my power ceiling is higher than that.
Small cam and heads on a 383 = no rev.
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YEah Z69 I agree with you :-)
Cam wise, I should be okay for mid 5k's or so. Thinking the TPI is doing the ultimate choke on it and that is using a ported SDPC base and heavily hogged SLP runners.
Might be a stealthram in my future, figure I can gain 5-700rpm and more top end pull.
Course hopefull the 3 job interviews last week result in an honest to *** job and I will have $$ again lol
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Cam wise, I should be okay for mid 5k's or so. Thinking the TPI is doing the ultimate choke on it and that is using a ported SDPC base and heavily hogged SLP runners.
Might be a stealthram in my future, figure I can gain 5-700rpm and more top end pull.
Course hopefull the 3 job interviews last week result in an honest to *** job and I will have $$ again lol
later
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From: Lombard Il
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tes headers 3in catback and a factory lt4 cam (junk) nothings been thouched with a grinder everything is bolt on I only picked up 3.5 mph but the et gain is huge with a bigger cam it could really fly but im not gonna swap cams till I get me some e-tecs
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Yeah, this is absurd. I thought GM moved slow
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I don't know if I'll even consider the Stealth Ram for my engine. My car's been down and out for a while so it's still a waiting game.
.I don't know if I'll even consider the Stealth Ram for my engine. My car's been down and out for a while so it's still a waiting game.
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Car: 91 GTA, 91 Formula, 89 TTA
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Well, latest I can find is that the vortec stelthrams intakes and injection setups are listed again at Summit..
The bad:
No shipping unitl 8/12, estimated :-)
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The bad:
No shipping unitl 8/12, estimated :-)
later
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Engine: SPDC 360 MAF EFI /w a Holley Stealth Ram
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oh, you mean this?
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Might be a stealthram in my future, figure I can gain 5-700rpm and more top end pull.
By the time is all said and done, you will spend more time in a greater torque curve with a SuperRam if you are shifting under 5900 RPM than you would with a HSR. Once you setup your combo to make power closer to, or above 6k - the HSR wins hand's down.
Just something to think about since you have that baseplate/egr setup already, tame cam, and don't seem to be shooting for IMPORT RPM's. The runners and plenum will only set you back $700, not much more (if any more at all) than the price of the HSR conversion. Sorry if you had no interest in hearing that.
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Goy, one other problem with the SuperRam is it's complexity. It took my friend 4 hours to get his off to check an intake gasket leak! The HSR is a clear winner when it comes to bang for the buck and simplicity. Sure it's a log intake but what's a little distribution difference compared to all of the cylinders breathing better?
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Originally posted by JPrevost
Goy, one other problem with the SuperRam is it's complexity. It took my friend 4 hours to get his off to check an intake gasket leak! The HSR is a clear winner when it comes to bang for the buck and simplicity. Sure it's a log intake but what's a little distribution difference compared to all of the cylinders breathing better?
Goy, one other problem with the SuperRam is it's complexity. It took my friend 4 hours to get his off to check an intake gasket leak! The HSR is a clear winner when it comes to bang for the buck and simplicity. Sure it's a log intake but what's a little distribution difference compared to all of the cylinders breathing better?
He already owns the baseplate, why give up free torque for his intended operational range? The setup's from this point on would cost about the same, he already has a hi-flow plate that fit's vortec heads, which make the's superram that better bang for the buck FOR UNDER 5,900 RPM and reasonable displacement. Well, whatever, it's his choice and not my tools/money/concern. I was just stating what seemed BLANTANTLY obvious too me.

Let's not discuss your last sentence, that would be an endless debate and overall, a big circlejerk.
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Originally posted by GOY
Well, I can take one down to it's baseplate in just over an hour and I didn't even own one at the time.... Maybe the laws of physics involved in the disassembly process just bent for me?
He already owns the baseplate, why give up free torque for his intended operational range? The setup's from this point on would cost about the same, he already has a hi-flow plate that fit's vortec heads, which make the's superram that better bang for the buck FOR UNDER 5,900 RPM and reasonable displacement. Well, whatever, it's his choice and not my tools/money/concern. I was just stating what seemed BLANTANTLY obvious too me.
Let's not discuss your last sentence, that would be an endless debate and overall, a big circlejerk.
Well, I can take one down to it's baseplate in just over an hour and I didn't even own one at the time.... Maybe the laws of physics involved in the disassembly process just bent for me?
He already owns the baseplate, why give up free torque for his intended operational range? The setup's from this point on would cost about the same, he already has a hi-flow plate that fit's vortec heads, which make the's superram that better bang for the buck FOR UNDER 5,900 RPM and reasonable displacement. Well, whatever, it's his choice and not my tools/money/concern. I was just stating what seemed BLANTANTLY obvious too me.

Let's not discuss your last sentence, that would be an endless debate and overall, a big circlejerk.
As for your quote about the superram being better bang for the buck "FOR UNDER 5,9000 RPM..." I disagree.
What might be blantantly obvious to you isn't blatantly obvious to me or the rest of the world. From my research I'd say the HSR is a much better all around intake and would give him more usable horsepower in his powerband. That's just my research, not yours, so I can only speak for what I've done and it's disagreeing with you. Not here to argue, just giving my POV.
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Originally posted by JPrevost
What might be blantantly obvious to you isn't blatantly obvious to me or the rest of the world.
What might be blantantly obvious to you isn't blatantly obvious to me or the rest of the world.
Originally posted by JPrevost
From my research I'd say the HSR is a much better all around intake and would give him more usable horsepower in his powerband.
From my research I'd say the HSR is a much better all around intake and would give him more usable horsepower in his powerband.
Your POV is that you "Need" to be right, even if you may be wrong. He's looking for 5300-5700 RPM tops according to what he wrote... OH THAT JUST HAPPENS TO BE AN AVERAGE SUPERRAM COMBINATION PEAK HORSEPOWER RPM....... with all the extra torque along the way. If you could so be bothered to look at his combination again... I think you'll find it to be a lower RPM combination, but you may have to ask "Your friend" for final confirmation.
Although it got funny right at the end, I'm done with this post. You can get in touch with me through PM's though there... mod.
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Somebody's a little touchy tonight, what happen, feeling okay?
The whole world doesn't think you're right, nor do they think I'm right. What's different is that every engine I've seen converted to the HSR has run faster in the 1/4 be it auto, big inches, small, large cam, emissions spec cams, auto, manual, heavy, light. So I wouldn't be the only person in my world that thinks he'd be better off (faster in the 1/4) with a Stealth over the Super.
HAHA, 12 extra bolts, what, you frequently remove your base without removing the distributor? I don't, and I've worked on enough SBC's to know that removing the dizzy makes that 13 extra bolts
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You honestly think it took him 3 hours to turn 12 bolts? What is this, some kind of assumption fantasy land for you? You're wasting our time with your babble about the Super Ram being a better buy. I don't consider $800 vs $650 for a slower intake design, "better bang for the buck."
My POV is exactly that, it's my POV, nobody else’s. I don't need to be right but when I think somebody is talking out of their *** I'll speak up so as not to let them obscure the truth for those reading this thread. THAT is my POV and yes, I may be wrong... but it's unlikely.
5300-5700rpm tops you say? How did you come up with that range if you don't mind me asking?
An intake isn't linked to a horsepower peak RPM, get real. There are too many variables that dictate the peak RPM horsepower for you to say it's the "average" is just showing how little YOU know about the workings of ANY engine, be it small block or other. And who cares about extra torque, I'd rather have extra horsepower... torque I can create with a little magic called gearing, horsepower is what I'd really want in any car I race.
I don't have to look at his combination again, I've know about if for over 2 years now. It's not a low RPM combo... unless you want to stick a restrictive long tube runner to it. The power range is directly related to the intake and every other part you put on. A better flowing and higher resonating intake is going to extend the power band on 90% of every sbc engine combo every bolted together. I don't have to ask my friend, they all come to me for engine advice and not one of them has been disappointed. Want proof, I'll give you a list of 40+ phone numbers in the professional world that'll speak for my experience. So go play in your fantasy world were intakes have certain RPM ranges and you don't need to consider the rest of the engine. I'll stay here and talk with adults that have proof that the HSR makes Super Ram'd engines faster in the 1/4 mile. It's been proven so many times I won't even waste my efforts searching and instead will ask YOU to prove where the HSR has HURT a vehicles 1/4 mile performance. Show me that and it'll be a start, until then, you'll be wasting everybody's time with your assumptions.
Got funny at the end? I wasn't trying to be funny. Maybe you're arrogance is taking up the room that rational thinking would otherwise occupy. Do you need that phone number list now or should I just let my FSAE competition engine records speak for themselves. Designed, simulated, built, dynoed, and raced by yours truly against 140+ engineering teams from around the world. I'd say I know a thing or 2 about engines and how they work
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Well, which is it... the whole world's or just yours??? You live in a world that is 1 person big maybe?
And, in case you've never actually worked on any small block chevy, the baseplate is only an extra 12 bolts, with the exception to his vortec heads which have a couple less. You can let "Your friend" know that brilliant bit of knowledge as well since it must have took him 3 hours to turn 12 bolts, right?
.You honestly think it took him 3 hours to turn 12 bolts? What is this, some kind of assumption fantasy land for you? You're wasting our time with your babble about the Super Ram being a better buy. I don't consider $800 vs $650 for a slower intake design, "better bang for the buck."
Your POV is that you "Need" to be right, even if you may be wrong. He's looking for 5300-5700 RPM tops according to what he wrote...
5300-5700rpm tops you say? How did you come up with that range if you don't mind me asking?
OH THAT JUST HAPPENS TO BE AN AVERAGE SUPERRAM COMBINATION PEAK HORSEPOWER RPM....... with all the extra torque along the way.
If you could so be bothered to look at his combination again... I think you'll find it to be a lower RPM combination, but you may have to ask "Your friend" for final confirmation.
Although it got funny right at the end, I'm done with this post. You can get in touch with me through PM's though there... mod.
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I think I am saying this for all the mods and all the members at thirdgen.
GOY, PLEASE SHUT UP
Let it go, your already treading on thin ice with your jaded view of "you know all".
Now who has the quote in their sig "U cant argue with an idiot, he will only drag u down to his level and beat u with experience"
sorry delete if u wish
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GOY, PLEASE SHUT UP
Let it go, your already treading on thin ice with your jaded view of "you know all".
Now who has the quote in their sig "U cant argue with an idiot, he will only drag u down to his level and beat u with experience"
sorry delete if u wish
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Originally posted by 3.8TransAM
I think I am saying this for all the mods and all the members at thirdgen.
GOY, PLEASE SHUT UP
I think I am saying this for all the mods and all the members at thirdgen.
GOY, PLEASE SHUT UP
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i have just fitted stealth ram on stock 305 it fits perfect and sealed first time . You do not have to cut hood on f body transam to make it fit .in aus we are not allowed to cut under bonnett supports so i got some liquid latex put on manifold and tb closed bonnett then opened looked where latex was transferred to bonnett gave it about 10 good hits with hammer in 3 spots and done hood closes and does not hit you only have to indent about 2cm in hood and wind out the rubber stoppers a bit. the problem i have now is that when i back off it back fires or popps a bit i picked up half a second at least on the quarter with my new set-up !! IF YOU HAVE A TPI then change to stealth otherwise you will be restricting your motor even if its stock !
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