Hawk92z-TDZ

http://www.racingheadservice.com/rhs...fuel-railshtml

Anyone running this RHS / FAST intake yet? Any good? Any issues I should know about? Will it work with the EV6 Injectors?

Thanx

Stangski09

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Im running it. Did some minor port clean up and it made good power on my 385.
397rwhp 372rwtq

And its 1206 gasket ready.

anesthes

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Expensive!

-- Joe

Hawk92z-TDZ

Ya, I'll be mating it up with some AFR 220's so I am looking for a 1206 out of the box. What TB did u use with it? What injectors? The EV1/EV6 injectors work?

I was thinking this one but cant find anywhere what IAC and TPS is included, so I don't know if it will work with the stock 92 TPI
http://www.fuelairspark.com/fas/4-ba...fastenershtml/

My only other 1206 option as far as I can tell from my searches on here is with the Accel, but the one we used on friends truck a few years back was only a 1205, so I am a little worried of getting old stock as I am not sure when they switched it to the 1206, it is a little cheaper, but would like something to work out of the box with only some minor clean up
http://www.summitracing.com/int/part...4139/overview/

Accel has a nice low TB also that I think could work with the stock wiring
http://www.summitracing.com/int/part...02s3/overview/
http://www.summitracing.com/int/part...7651/overview/

I still need to figure out what size of Injectors to buy yet too, I have a set of orange EV6 30's sitting here still but don't think they will cut it, lol

Orr89RocZ

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Looks like a great intake. I would love to try it as i have rhs based castings

Steve Mack

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Hey Stang did it fit under the stock hood?Thanks

crackitoff

I have the FAST 1375cfm TB on my edelbrock single plane efi manifold on my 434 sbc and it works awesome. After it was tuned it ran better than any other intake/ throttle body setup that was on my car in the past...( superram, miniram, factory tpi)...the drivability was excellent whether it is city or highway driving. When I ordered mine I told them it was a tpi car and they sent me the TPS wiring harness adapter that plugs right in to factory wiring and then into the TB. If I remember correctly the IAC plugs right in to the FAST IAC. Here's a pic of the TB/ intake on my car. If you look at the passenger side of TB you can see the adapter harness.

Hawk92z-TDZ

That looks nice Crackitoff, and your set-up is closer to what I am planning, except I am only 421ci to your sweet 434ci

What year of TPI are you running, looks like a SD in your 88? Looks like you're running EV1 Injectors from the pic, so that answers one of my questions, lol

Any Issues? On the reviews on Summit someone complained about Infector fitment.

What cam/heads are you running? I am leaning towards the XFI292 with AFR220's

crackitoff

Thanks for the compliment Hawk. It is an 88 TA and I did switch to SD. After not being able to get a good tune with the factory crap computer I switched over to FAST XFI and the car has never been happier...lol. I had no fitment issues with the SVO 42lb injectors but I did have to port match the edelbrock intake to the heads 1206 port size...no big deal.
As far as cam and heads it's a comp cams solid roller 259 266 dur. 695 698 lift on a 112 lsa...the heads are Brodix STS T1's 215cc that flow just under 310cfm at 700 lift. The heads came off of my 385 when I did the swap over to the 434. The motor needs a set of 235 or 245 heads in order to REALLY run the way it should but I'm pretty happy with it for now.
If you need to see more pictures let me know. I have pics of the factory TPI throttle cable brkt I modified to work with the FAST TB and factory cable as well as close ups of the adapter harness needed for the TPS and many other pics of the swap.

Hawk92z-TDZ

Anymore Pics would be awesome, I'll take all the help I can get, lol

My bad, I forgot you had the Edelbrock Intake, I was thinking about the RHS Intakes review on Summit.
http://www.summitracing.com/int/part...12903/reviews/
I was hoping a few more people had used the intake on here to chip in with some info.

With that big of cam, no wonder the stock SD TPI was being a pain, lol, took me a while to get the old XN276 cam I had in my old 412ci motor to run decent with the HSR, funny when I swapped it out for the bigger XFI292 cam, it actually ran better before I even touched the tune.

Speaking of Cams, I am still trying to decide what to go with. Anyone with Cam knowledge might be able to help out. I emailed a few Cam places, and so far 2 have answered back.

Comp said: ""The profile of the XFI292 camshaft is very close to what I recommend for your current setup. I will have to get a cam custom made for you to get it in the small base circle and tighter LSA. The cam I would make you would use our 3018/3039 XFI lobes. That comes out to 242/248 duration @.050, .584/.579 lift, on a 112 LSA.""
Are they good lobes? That is an area I am not too knowledgeable in, lol. As far as I can tell it is just a stock XFI292 cam but with the tighter 112 LSA, I am not sure how much that will effect it.

Bulletcams said:
CHS 300/308-HR8+4
duration @ .050 = 245/253
lift with 1.6 = .612/.612
lobe sep = 108
int c/l = 104
I like the lift since the AFR220's flow real nice over .600 lift, but a 108LSA? I am not sure how hard that would be to tune.

crackitoff

The cam we were using back then was a lot smaller than my current cam..alot less lift and duration but the same 112 lsa.


Are you running a factory computer or an aftermarket system like FAST, Holley, or Big Stuff?


That Bullet cam looks like an all motor grind with a 108 lsa. Do you plan on running all motor or are you going to hit it with a shot of nitrous? The Comp grind is on a 112 lsa...it'll run real strong on motor and respond very well to a shot of spray if you ever decided that was the route you wanted to go in the future....best of both worlds...lol. If it was me I would go with Comp but it's up to you. I've always had good luck with them and there cams.


Are you gonna get the AFR 220 race ready or AFR 220 competition heads? Just so you know the exhaust ports are raised .250 on those heads so make sure your headers are gonna clear the underside of the car...don't wanna have an issues there. Both have stellar flow numbers but I'm just curious. lol.


Let me dig up those pics for ya...might take a couple days but I'll get em for ya.


Ern

Stangski09

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Here you are.

RHS Intake and FAST 1375cfm TB

crackitoff

That's a badass lookin' motor Stangski. I just put a set of Jesel shaft mounts on my motor this year and what a difference it made.

articwhiteZ

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Motown makes a sigle plane intake with rails for $405 comes set up for felpro 1206 gaskets bolt on..some times sold in a accel box..

anesthes

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The pro-products/speedway/procomp hurricane is under $175 also also ports out to a 1206 effortlessly. Running one on my turbocharged 412"/afr210 combo.

-- Joe

Stangski09

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The motown isnt 1206 out of the box is it? I read you can port it to 1206 but it is 1205..

Hawk92z-TDZ

The car is a 92 so I'll either be running the stock 8D/730 set-up or the EBL P4 Flash. I stole the stock 730 ECM for my truck when its ECM died, so I need to buy a new one, and since I am already buying another ECM it makes me think about going the rest of the way for the EBL, but I don't know much about it yet.
http://www.dynamicefi.com/EBL_P4_Flash.php

Thank you for your input on the cam, after farther talks with COMP back and forth, we have designed a new cam that I think I will be going with.

It is a steel billet 242/248 duration@.050, .637/.619 (using 1.6 rockers), with a 112LSA +6, on the .900 base circle camshaft to ensure it will have adequate clearance, using the QNI/QNX lobes.

Comp had this to say about the QNI/QNX lobes: """I believe the vacuum at idle would be very similar between the 2 grinds. The narrower (112) lobe separation increases valve overlap and would reduce idle vacuum a bit in both setups. But you have large cubic inches and high compression so I do not believe you will have a problem with vacuum brakes. Every combination is different, so you may have to consider a vacuum canister if it is insufficient. The QNI/QNX lobes are going to make more power hands down. They are very aggressive lobe designed for racing but will also handle street use. So the question comes down to what are you going to use the vehicle for? If you want all out power, QNI/QNX is the only way to go. If you want more of a reliable, tamer street car then you should stick with the XFI lobes."""

For the Heads I think I will be sticking with Race Ready ones. I had AFR 195 Comp Ports on my old 412ci, at the .550 lift there was at least a 24cfm difference (280-304) to help justify the cost. With the AFR 220's using the same .550 lift as example, it is only an 8cfm difference (304-312) and at .600 lift were my cam sits, it is only 12cfm difference (312-324), real hard for me to justify the extra $400
http://www.airflowresearch.com/index.php?cPath=24

For headers I was thinking of using Doug's Headers D3321, they are cheaper then the Hookers but I still have the 1 3/4" primarys over Headmans 1 5/8" ones.
http://www.summitracing.com/int/part...3321/overview/
I know about the possible A-Arm interference with the AFR heads, but I am hoping if I go with a BMR K-Member/A-arm combo they will clear. Would be nice if somebody has some input on that.

Hawk92z-TDZ

That definitely is a badass lookin' motor Stangski. lol

I cant find much info on that Motown intake, Summit doesn't carry it, the Accel Pro-Ram is listed at $496.97 at summit
http://www.summitracing.com/int/part...4139/overview/

Thank you, I will look into it, I would prefer 1206 right out of the box though

crackitoff

Well it looks like you'll have no problems tuning it with that system...pretty sweet setup.


I'm glad you got the cam setup taken care of with comp...they really know their **** when it comes to cams. lol. Should run like a scalded dog!!...lol.


I wouldn't spend an extra $400 for 12 cfm either. lol. Those heads should work very well for your combo.


Keep me posted on updates....wanna see how that bad *** small block turns out. lol

anesthes

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Problem is usually heads are not quite that out of the box, so you might overshoot the ports.

My AFR 210's for example are close to a 1206, but not exactly.

-- Joe

Hawk92z-TDZ

You don't by chance have a part number for the Hurricane, make it easier for me to look up, lol

anesthes

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/SBC-Small-Block-Chevy-High-Rise-Hurricane-Aluminum-MPFI-EFI-Intake-Manifold-350-/390773513756?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5afbea9e1c&vxp=mtr
I think 2038 and 2039. One is polished one isn't or something like that.

I have the polished one.

-- Joe

Hawk92z-TDZ

Thank you crackitoff, I sure hope it works good I will try to post updates, but it will be a slow going project as I have time

Cam is now ordered.

Time to work on picking out an intake manifold, lol

Hurricane is $180
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SBC-Small-Block-Chevy-High-Rise-Hurricane-Aluminum-MPFI-EFI-Intake-Manifold-350-/390773513756?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5afbea9e1c&vxp=mtr&rmvSB=trueThe Fuel rail Kit (Includes AFPR) $230
http://www.summitracing.com/int/part...0608/overview/
Total cost: $410

Accel (used to be an Accel intake, then was a Motown in an Accel box, and word has it is an Edelbrock in an Accel box now) $497.00
http://www.summitracing.com/int/part...4139/overview/
AFPR $126.00
http://www.summitracing.com/int/part...3129/overview/
Total cost: $623

RHS $515
http://www.racingheadservice.com/rhs...fuel-railshtml
AFPR $126
http://www.summitracing.com/int/part...3129/overview/
Total cost: $641

The problem with the Accel one is I don't know what i'll be getting in the box, a real Accel, a Motown (preferred) or an edelbrock, other then the Motown version I got no idea if its close to 1206 gasket

The problem with the Hurricane is the kits AFPR, I don't know what it is, what PSI it runs, if they have issues, ect ect, and I would have to blend it to my heads but as anesthes pointed out, that could also be a blessing

The RHS has the lowest carb seat, and that is nice, and it gives the best dyno results in the intake shoot out, but has a bad Injector seat review on Summit, other then that I cant find much info on it.
http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/engine/...-intakes-test/

Professional Products Super Hurricane
Peak HP 530 at 6,200
Peak TQ 504 at 4,700
Average TQ 480.2
Carb Pad Height 5.85

Bill Mitchell Products Motown (possible Accel)
Peak HP 534 at 6,300
Peak TQ 508 at 4,600
Average TQ 481.5
Carb Pad Height 5.63

Racing Head Service
Peak HP 534 at 6,300
Peak TQ 511 at 4,700
Average TQ 486.0
Carb Pad Height 5.50

So the question is, is the RHS worth the extra $231, lol

anesthes

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You can also run this fuel rail kit:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevy-SBC-350-Billet-Aluminum-Fuel-Injector-Rail-Kit-/181608596083?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2a48b74273&vxp=mtr
And run either a inline regulator, or a TTA/Grand national regulator.

I'm running Holley rails on mine with a TTA regulator, and braided -6 front/rear crossovers.

-- Joe

articwhiteZ

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The Motown intake I have pictured.. Is a Felpro 1206 intake gasket out of the box.with Fuel rails.
I also just picked up a RHS polished EFI single plane intake for 250 bucks off of ebay and he sold the fuel rails with it..for $150....as I wanted to polish my motown intake ....it was .cheaper to just buy another good quality Intake..already done and low and behold one popped up for 250 bucks..yes its a polished RHS intake.new in box..

blackozvet

If you are going to run an elbow the Hurricane has a tall thermostat housing which creates a problem, I had to run a Moroso remote housing to accommodate mine,

articwhiteZ

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Have a lingenfelter elbow...but running a polished Kingsler throttle body..set up to use the GM. electronics.

also got a killer deal on a March billet pulley and bracket set up for electric water pump so now I can dump all the GM brackets and pulleys off the front of the engine

blackozvet

I had a look at the photo, looks like a sweet setup !
its probably easier to use a 4 barrel throttle body and then set up the air intake than try and get an elbow over the thermostat housing.

anesthes

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Looks nice. I don't know how I feel about that elbow, but it seems to work well on that C4.

Is the girl the owner?

-- Joe

articwhiteZ

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the Lingenfelter elbow works with a TPI throttle body.and fits a standard Chevy water neck.

anesthes

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Not on his C4.. If you look at the other pictures, you'll see how he made the elbow and how close to the hood it was. (clay)

-- Joe

blackozvet

I dont know about the car, but she certainly owns me !!

blackozvet

oh yeah, it was tight in there !
Im guessing the Camaro hood is a bit higher than the c4 ?

articwhiteZ

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Will have to get photos of the RHS polished efi intake..not sure I like it..it takes the FAST fuel rails. They are nice...will mock up the intakes side by side.. it needs a bit of clean up inside the runners casting crap..stuff like that...

I have a fiber glass cal hood..so evey thing fits..

Hawk92z-TDZ

Looking forward to seeing the pics comparing the 2, I still have not purchased an intake yet, waiting for our dollar to get a little better 1st, lol

articwhiteZ

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URL=http://s573.photobucket.com/user/hk21/media/20150307_205211.jpg.html][/URL]ill try to get pics up...been working on other toys. Doing a Sig 556 SBR ...took the sig 556 pistol. and a sig 556 rifle classic.installed the rifle stock lower to the pistol upper. to make my short barreled rifle submitting on a form 1. now I have a leftover rifle upper and a pistol lower. so I'm buying the sig 556 rifle lower from sig and putting it on the rifle. upper. and the pistol lower will be up for sale but with a complete sig m4 stock setup.

Note: pics are mock up test only..not permanent until form 1 comes back.

Now i have to phone cam working to upload pics...ill take same of the RHS polished intake and get them posted for ya guys...

anesthes

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I'd take the photos off the 'net until you get your stamp done. I don't think it's legal to assemble the components even for mock up without the form approved.

In theory, you shouldn't even have the components in the same building to assemble the rifle without the stamp back

-- Joe

355tpipickup

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Who built your intake hat to fit the tpi tb? Does any company make this style setup? I want a single plane but would like to keep the tb and use a top hat like this

articwhiteZ

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Its ok to have all the components.. and the pictures are fine also....all the BATF guys / gals in this neck of the woods ...OK'd ...all the goodys in house ..first..07....manufacturer it's a hobby
i did long before hot rods

Nothing like a 950rds a min.beltfed...supressed..hot rods are cool to

blackozvet

I have replied to your PM,

I built my intake elbow, because Im in Australia its too expensive to buy one,



but if your in the States I would look at companies such as 6061.com

http://www.6061.com/imagegallery.htm

articwhiteZ

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This is the RHS efi intake..dont think it will flow as good as the proram..aka motown intake I posted before.
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If I dont use it..it will be up for sale...made in the USA!..
it looks fantastic with my 1 off polished lingenfelter 2 piece valves
in the box below..