Porting the Edelbrock Pro Flow XT
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Re: Porting the Edelbrock Pro Flow XT
Photo update from the machinist. Progress!
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More photos from the machinist. Our XT is starting to look alot like a tunnel ram base.
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Re: Porting the Edelbrock Pro Flow XT
I was gonna look at starting with a tunnel ram bbc base and adapting the holley hi ram intake top lid to it like that one other fab intake thread on this site lol would have been pretty cool. Wish there were more tunnel ram bases available
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This project is still in progress. My lazy *** is just dragging on finishing up the last runners. I've had the piece sitting on my bench here most of the summer. I have made some progress lately. I'll post photos once the porting is finished. Then it's back to the machinist where we'll work out the sides and top. Then to the welder to weld on the sides and TB flange. Finally, we'll fab up the top and it will be attached with screws. Should look and function very nice.
I finally blew up the IROC's rear diff this week. Time now for the 9" that I've been planning for a while. In the meantime, since I can't drive the car, I'll have more time to focus on getting this intake finished. It started raining this week so it's time to put the car up for the winter anyway.
I finally blew up the IROC's rear diff this week. Time now for the 9" that I've been planning for a while. In the meantime, since I can't drive the car, I'll have more time to focus on getting this intake finished. It started raining this week so it's time to put the car up for the winter anyway.
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Re: Porting the Edelbrock Pro Flow XT
The beauty of building my own is I can make it whatever height I choose. The design limits are injector rail height and clearance for the throttle cable bracket, which is mitigated by using short body Pico injectors, and providing ample clearance for the dual 58mm throttles' entry to the plenum. All together, it is working out to about 8.2". This is the same height as the TPI plenum where the strut tower brace crosses. I will be able to keep the same brace with the new intake. The HSR is 9". The Pro Flow XT is also 9" at the throttle flange, while the top of the plenum itself is 8.2". Eddy chose to fit it with the 90mm round throttle, making hood clearance an issue on these cars and the C4 Corvette as well. I've seen adapters made to fit the dual TB onto the as cast XT plenum, which also solves the hood clearance issue. I wasn't satisfied with just an adapter. I chose instead to redesign the plenum around the dual TB which should provide much better flow into and through the plenum.
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I have made some progress on the XT. I finished porting the runners. Still have some work to do on the entry radii to get them where I want. Generally speaking, the piece is ready to back to the machinist for fitting the sides, top, and throttle body flange.
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Re: Porting the Edelbrock Pro Flow XT
interested to see if you will need to 'mad max' the bonnet to make the pro flo fit
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Hey GTA. The cool part of designing my own plenum is that I can make it just the size it needs to be to fit this car, and provide ideal cylinder filling through the engine's intended power band. The as cast Pro Flow XT is about the same height in front, where the clearance issues come up, as the HSR. The reason for the height is the throttle they chose to use. The plenum itself is 8.2" tall which will fit fine. But the top of the throttle is 9" from the china wall. That was one reason I didn't like the as cast design. The new plenum will be about the same height as the as cast but with a rectangular cross section and flat from front to rear. I'll use the same 1000cfm dual throttle body I ran on the TPI. Of course, before any parts are machined and any welding done, We will verify clearance.
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I have the 9" rear end just about ready to install. That has pretty much had all my attention this summer. Plan to get back on the intake project once the car is on the road again.
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Thanks guys for your interest. The project got somewhat sidelined this summer while the IROC is down waiting for the 9" rear end. My machinist just got a new mill and hopefully, we'll be back on this project come spring. I know it's been a long slow process but it is going to be finished. I can hardly wait to have it done and installed.
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Hey Twin Turbo. Man, I've got to visit here more often. I just now saw your photo of the Mercruiser intake. You know there was a prototype very much like the Mercury intake that GM was considering before they settled on the LT1. I remember reading an article back in 1989 or so that featured the project. It looked pretty cool. I'm trying to remember the name of the designer, but I think the Mercury unit in your photo is by the same guy. In fact, I think there are a few of those being used on hotrod car engines. There is at least one thread here on TGO about that intake. The removable top makes porting and tweeking easy. This design is one of the examples that led me to decide on a removable top for my project. Makes perfect sense.
I don't think the Merc intake is based on anything from Eddy though. It's pretty much a one off made from scratch. Eddy wasn't doing anything like the XT back then. Their street ram or Victor ram intakes are huge tall suckers. I guess the base of the Victor, without the top, is a little like the Merc. Just alot bigger is all.
I don't think the Merc intake is based on anything from Eddy though. It's pretty much a one off made from scratch. Eddy wasn't doing anything like the XT back then. Their street ram or Victor ram intakes are huge tall suckers. I guess the base of the Victor, without the top, is a little like the Merc. Just alot bigger is all.
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Hello Mr Speier. I am familiar with your work. In fact, I'm trying not to pee myself seeing your name on a reply to one of my threads. I am really quite stunned, even if your comment isn't especially flattering.
I guess you don't like the Eddy piece. As cast, I think it must have been intended to squeeze midrange torque from a mild small block with stock heads. The fact that Eddy Tech told me not to port it because "it's engineered to maximize velocity" illustrated for me the lack of any real knowledge on the part of the guy answering the Eddy Techline phone. Needless to say, I hung up on him.
Looking at what I'm doing with it, picturing it with a flow friendly rectangular plenum to compliment a 1000cfm dual TB, do you think that I have any chance of significantly improving it? Would you even take on something like this, using this casting? I chose it as a starting point because of the air gap design that will at least somewhat isolate the runners from the valley cover. I like the basic runner casting with its curved taper. With the interiors opened up as I have done, I'm hoping they work to support a 550hp small block. The casting limits them to a 1205 outlet. With welding, they could be brought out to 1206.
Aside from tossing it in the trash, any advice from the intake and cyl head porting master?
I guess you don't like the Eddy piece. As cast, I think it must have been intended to squeeze midrange torque from a mild small block with stock heads. The fact that Eddy Tech told me not to port it because "it's engineered to maximize velocity" illustrated for me the lack of any real knowledge on the part of the guy answering the Eddy Techline phone. Needless to say, I hung up on him.
Looking at what I'm doing with it, picturing it with a flow friendly rectangular plenum to compliment a 1000cfm dual TB, do you think that I have any chance of significantly improving it? Would you even take on something like this, using this casting? I chose it as a starting point because of the air gap design that will at least somewhat isolate the runners from the valley cover. I like the basic runner casting with its curved taper. With the interiors opened up as I have done, I'm hoping they work to support a 550hp small block. The casting limits them to a 1205 outlet. With welding, they could be brought out to 1206.
Aside from tossing it in the trash, any advice from the intake and cyl head porting master?
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Hello Mr Speier. I am familiar with your work. In fact, I'm trying not to pee myself seeing your name on a reply to one of my threads. I am really quite stunned, even if your comment isn't especially flattering.
I guess you don't like the Eddy piece. As cast, I think it must have been intended to squeeze midrange torque from a mild small block with stock heads. The fact that Eddy Tech told me not to port it because "it's engineered to maximize velocity" illustrated for me the lack of any real knowledge on the part of the guy answering the Eddy Techline phone. Needless to say, I hung up on him.
Looking at what I'm doing with it, picturing it with a flow friendly rectangular plenum to compliment a 1000cfm dual TB, do you think that I have any chance of significantly improving it? Would you even take on something like this, using this casting? I chose it as a starting point because of the air gap design that will at least somewhat isolate the runners from the valley cover. I like the basic runner casting with its curved taper. With the interiors opened up as I have done, I'm hoping they work to support a 550hp small block. The casting limits them to a 1205 outlet. With welding, they could be brought out to 1206.
Aside from tossing it in the trash, any advice from the intake and cyl head porting master?
I guess you don't like the Eddy piece. As cast, I think it must have been intended to squeeze midrange torque from a mild small block with stock heads. The fact that Eddy Tech told me not to port it because "it's engineered to maximize velocity" illustrated for me the lack of any real knowledge on the part of the guy answering the Eddy Techline phone. Needless to say, I hung up on him.
Looking at what I'm doing with it, picturing it with a flow friendly rectangular plenum to compliment a 1000cfm dual TB, do you think that I have any chance of significantly improving it? Would you even take on something like this, using this casting? I chose it as a starting point because of the air gap design that will at least somewhat isolate the runners from the valley cover. I like the basic runner casting with its curved taper. With the interiors opened up as I have done, I'm hoping they work to support a 550hp small block. The casting limits them to a 1205 outlet. With welding, they could be brought out to 1206.
Aside from tossing it in the trash, any advice from the intake and cyl head porting master?
For those following along at home, a picture. But your doing the right thing and it will work perfectly for your application.
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I like the radius of the as cast runner entries. I also appears that they tried to break up the vertical plane of the runner entries with the split angle. I tried to maintain that in my porting. I used inside lathe calipers to help me get the runners all the same. I probably ended up within 5%. I would need a flow bench to be sure. My runner entry radi still need work. You can see in my photos that they're not as good even the factory casting. I'll make a sanding block out of a small piece of wood and use 60 grit to see if I can't clean those entries up some. I also had a hard time controlling my motion with the die grinder. You can see in the runners where I ended up with a pattern. It's far from perfect, but it should work okay.
I used the Felpro 1205 intake gasket as a pattern for my runner exits. I started out keeping the exits about 1/16" smaller than the gasket openings, to err on the side of keeping the runners smaller than the port entries. I decided to go ahead and take out that 1/16", so now the runner entries match the gasket. My cyl heads are also gasket matched to the 1205. I know that it's better to have the runner be slightly smaller than the cyl head port that the other way around. I hope they match up well. I plan to install this thing on the motor without having the heads off for further port matching. Whatever happens, I'll make it work. When I do the new motor, I'll have a chance to do things better.
I used the Felpro 1205 intake gasket as a pattern for my runner exits. I started out keeping the exits about 1/16" smaller than the gasket openings, to err on the side of keeping the runners smaller than the port entries. I decided to go ahead and take out that 1/16", so now the runner entries match the gasket. My cyl heads are also gasket matched to the 1205. I know that it's better to have the runner be slightly smaller than the cyl head port that the other way around. I hope they match up well. I plan to install this thing on the motor without having the heads off for further port matching. Whatever happens, I'll make it work. When I do the new motor, I'll have a chance to do things better.
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Re: Porting the Edelbrock Pro Flow XT
As a weak sort of explanation for why I haven't made more progress on this project, I just now got my new 9" Ford rear end installed on Labor Day weekend. The car has been in storage since I blew the stock rear to bits back in 2018. Now that the rear is done, I can get back to work on these other areas. For more on the 9" Ford install, look for my thread over on the Transmission and Drivetrain forum.
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Re: Porting the Edelbrock Pro Flow XT
Some of you may remember me threatening to get my hands on one of these new EFI tunnel ram intakes from Edelbrock. While I had some delays getting here, I did finally get my hands on one late in November.
As promised, I have cut the plenum top off and am in the process of working the runners and plenum over. The XT is already a pretty decent intake. If you were going to install it on un-ported heads you would be best to bolt it on as cast. This SBC version (p/n 7137) appears to support around 420-440 hp at about 6K rpm out of the box. For my purposes, installing it on ported Twisted Wedge G2 heads with a ZZX cam, it deserved a little attention to make the best of what is a very good design. EDIT: The 420-44hp range is from a 350cid with good aftermarket heads and matching cam. One installation on a 383 resulted in 460hp and 506ftlbs torque with an as cast p/n 7137.
I have heard concerns of the runners being too thin to allow porting to Felpro 1205(2.09 X 1.28). I myself had the same concern when I first looked the piece over. After opening up the plenum and going to work on a runner, I will state here for the record that these concerns are unfounded. There is plenty of material for at least the 1205 runner size. From my measurements, there is still a good 3/16" of wall at the thinnest point on the ported runner.
The as cast runners measure 1.99 X 1.49 at the entry. You can see in the photo the difference between the 1205 gasket and the runner exits.
The ported runner entry measures 2.10 x 1.60, an increase of about .100" both directions. This I've done to match the increase of the runner exit to the 1205 dimensions, maintaining the original taper between entry and exit. As you can see in the photo, I've stopped just a hair short of the full 1205. I may leave the exit there, aside from some detail work and finishing, as there is a minimal affect on flow from this small difference(about 1/16"). This way, I'm covered for alignment of the intake to the heads.
The large protrusion of the injector bung into the runner is another issue. I was going to install Bosch IIIs, which are 2.5" long and would have sat deep in the bungs, not allowing for much if any trimming. I decided instead to go with Edelbrock injectors that are 1.15" seat to seat and will sit against the top edge of the bung with only the o-ring and a very thin retainer sitting in the bung. This should allow for alot of trimming on the bungs. I'll have the injectors soon and then I'll finish the bungs.
For now, here are some progress photos.
As promised, I have cut the plenum top off and am in the process of working the runners and plenum over. The XT is already a pretty decent intake. If you were going to install it on un-ported heads you would be best to bolt it on as cast. This SBC version (p/n 7137) appears to support around 420-440 hp at about 6K rpm out of the box. For my purposes, installing it on ported Twisted Wedge G2 heads with a ZZX cam, it deserved a little attention to make the best of what is a very good design. EDIT: The 420-44hp range is from a 350cid with good aftermarket heads and matching cam. One installation on a 383 resulted in 460hp and 506ftlbs torque with an as cast p/n 7137.
I have heard concerns of the runners being too thin to allow porting to Felpro 1205(2.09 X 1.28). I myself had the same concern when I first looked the piece over. After opening up the plenum and going to work on a runner, I will state here for the record that these concerns are unfounded. There is plenty of material for at least the 1205 runner size. From my measurements, there is still a good 3/16" of wall at the thinnest point on the ported runner.
The as cast runners measure 1.99 X 1.49 at the entry. You can see in the photo the difference between the 1205 gasket and the runner exits.
The ported runner entry measures 2.10 x 1.60, an increase of about .100" both directions. This I've done to match the increase of the runner exit to the 1205 dimensions, maintaining the original taper between entry and exit. As you can see in the photo, I've stopped just a hair short of the full 1205. I may leave the exit there, aside from some detail work and finishing, as there is a minimal affect on flow from this small difference(about 1/16"). This way, I'm covered for alignment of the intake to the heads.
The large protrusion of the injector bung into the runner is another issue. I was going to install Bosch IIIs, which are 2.5" long and would have sat deep in the bungs, not allowing for much if any trimming. I decided instead to go with Edelbrock injectors that are 1.15" seat to seat and will sit against the top edge of the bung with only the o-ring and a very thin retainer sitting in the bung. This should allow for alot of trimming on the bungs. I'll have the injectors soon and then I'll finish the bungs.
For now, here are some progress photos.
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